Is GT engine more valuable than non GT

Boss 330 · 21-02-2007, 06:38 PM

Just wondering, is a 351 engine out of a GT worth any more than any other 351??

mcnews · 21-02-2007, 07:05 PM

Absolutely, especially if you can track down the car it came out of.

BJ · 21-02-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Absolutely, especially if you can track down the car it came out of.

Why??

mcnews · 21-02-2007, 07:12 PM

Well from my experience in Mopar land if you have an R/T engine block, as in one starting with D363 or D364 then it is certainly worth more dollars. And like I say if you can track down a car that it belongs to then the owner of that car would dearly love to get their hands on it. A GT HO without the original engine would never be worth half as much as one with the original engine in my books, and I believe that would be the case in most books.

Boss 330 · 21-02-2007, 07:13 PM

Is it only of value to the owner of the original car or does it have value on its own??

Night Runner · 21-02-2007, 07:15 PM

It would have value on it's own but combine that with the original car and you'll quadruple the money. Numbers matching is big business in this hobby.

My 0.02c

sfr rob · 21-02-2007, 07:16 PM

i think its a load of crap honestly... an engine is an engine... numbers on it shoudlnt make it special or not.

Night Runner · 21-02-2007, 07:18 PM

Not to everyone but a select few will pay good money for it. The owner of the car if it's still around would pay good money. Crock of shlt? I can vouch for it not being, not with Mopars and I'm guessing Ford is no different with their classics.

**Falcon Coupe** · 21-02-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss 330

Is it only of value to the owner of the original car or does it have value on its own??

It has no value over another engine on it's own, but it will raise the worth of the car it came from if returned to it.

620hp_gt · 21-02-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Why??

Its the first thing to ask, if buying any muscle car.

Is it matching Numbers,, Plate, Body, and motor?

There is a web site, dedicated to finding GT motors. They have a list of people trying to find the matcing engines.

You could message the GT historian.

Or use this site.

www.matchingnumbers.com.au was setup to help to locate original engine blocks that were seperated from their original cars over the years.
As we all know it's highly desireable (and more valuable) to own a classic ford that has it's original engine. So we have setup a data base to help match engines to cars.

i havent used them

Tony xa · 21-02-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It has no value over another engine on it's own, but it will raise the worth of the car it came from if returned to it.

Agree 100% with this statement .At the end of the day its no stronger or better than a non gt block as its the same but with a different number on the block .But if it could be returned to the car then it would be worth it and if the owner wanted the block for his car then I guess you could bend him over but I wouldn't do that but I don't have someones block I guess .

mcnews · 21-02-2007, 07:31 PM

The numbers game is everything when it comes to valuable collectors cars. I have a list of every single RT Charger ever made, where it was sold, what options it had, engine number, chassis number and the whole shebang. I quite often am rang up by people all over the place trying to check if their vehicle is matching numbers. I will never tell them what engine number their car should have though, that way they can try and restamp blocks etc. and do the dodgy. But I imagine someone would help track down the owner of a car if you had an engine that might be important to them. For the owner of an original GT to be reunited with its correct engine would be all his Christmas's come at once. Trust me on that. And even if not reunited for the car of course it would be worth more, and it would make the care it is in also worth more I reckon if it had the engine out of an original GT in it. It certainly would be worth more to me and I think to most people that are into old cars.

xe351 · 21-02-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony xa

Agree 100% with this statement .At the end of the day its no stronger or better than a non gt block as its the same but with a different number on the block .But if it could be returned to the car then it would be worth it and if the owner wanted the block for his car then I guess you could bend him over but I wouldn't do that but I don't have someones block I guess .

i'd have to agree, the block is only worth good $$$ to the guy with the rest of the car, otherwise its just another engine. But if its got all the good bits on it eg 4vheads, its probably worth a little more

Boss 330 · 21-02-2007, 08:43 PM

Cool, cheers guys. XE351, mate, how do you spot 4v heads??

**Falcon Coupe** · 21-02-2007, 09:49 PM

There is a 4 stamped on the corner of the head.

bob 351 · 21-02-2007, 10:28 PM

i just sold a winsor to a bloke in nsw he wanted it for a mustang even thou he had a 351 in the car it was dated the wrong year so he got my 302 which had the right year stamp even thou it was not the origanal motor he was happy with what he got

Steffo · 21-02-2007, 10:31 PM

If its in the original car it came in, sure. But just as an engine, they're just an low-revving 300hp 351. Easily reproduced and bettered. So to me, not really, no.

Night Runner · 21-02-2007, 10:37 PM

To answer his question it is absolutely yes. I don't get what others are saying?
You put that sucker on eBay and a non-GT and you watch the bidders tickle up that GT engine. To the average Joe down the street, no, he won't pay anything more for it, advertise it and play the market right and yes, yes, you will get more for that engine.

4Vman · 21-02-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It has no value over another engine on it's own, but it will raise the worth of the car it came from if returned to it.

EXACTLY.

BJ · 21-02-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by [ NZTS50 ]

To answer his question it is absolutely yes. I don't get what others are saying?
You put that sucker on eBay and a non-GT and you watch the bidders tickle up that GT engine. To the average Joe down the street, no, he won't pay anything more for it, advertise it and play the market right and yes, yes, you will get more for that engine.

Nope don't think so. First you would find that unless it was complete and i mean from sump to carby and fan to fly wheel it ant worth Shiit. I have 4 or 5 Genuine GT blocks here and in the past i haven't been able to give them away. As most have said if it was to find its way back into the car it came from maybe.

Night Runner · 21-02-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Nope don't think so. First you would find that unless it was complete and i mean from sump to carby and fan to fly wheel it ant worth Shiit. I have 4 or 5 Genuine GT blocks here and in the past i haven't been able to give them away. As most have said if it was to find its way back into the car it came from maybe.

Oh Ok, my apologies if I'm wrong, I admit it.

Mopars I guess are a totally different ball park. My bad. ;)

XAGSV8 · 21-02-2007, 10:54 PM

It would be worth something if it was put on the matching numbers site and it was reunited with the original car. I have got to agree with NZTS50 that people would pay more for it than a non JG33 block on ebay. It would not be worth more to me over a normal block though.

satria · 21-02-2007, 10:56 PM

this is like playing lotto,

hopefully my 351 is out of moffat's car and is worth a million bucks LOL

maybe not... :P

BPXR6T · 21-02-2007, 11:05 PM

If you find my GT block let me know. I'll pay good money for it. Interestingly my GT wasn't a matching numbers car when sold new. I've got the original books to proove it.

Chassis/Serial number = JG33PS
Engine number = JG33PJ

All that means is the body was stamped in March 74 and the motor was stamped in May 74. The original sale date was 31.May.74. So I don't know if it blew up at the dealership or something and they needed a new block before they could sell it.

JG66ME · 21-02-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

EXACTLY.

Second this

JG66ME · 21-02-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FourBarrel

If you find my GT block let me know. I'll pay good money for it. Interestingly my GT wasn't a matching numbers car when sold new. I've got the original books to proove it.

Chassis/Serial number = JG33PS
Engine number = JG33PJ

All that means is the body was stamped in March 74 and the motor was stamped in May 74. The original sale date was 31.May.74. So I don't know if it blew up at the dealership or something and they needed a new block before they could sell it.

Whats the rest of the number after JG33xx? Both block and VIN. Give these numbers to Mark at the GT site and he will tell you whats what.

Steve

[Tonko] · 22-02-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

There is a 4 stamped on the corner of the head.

mine has a 3, whats that mean?

1970galaxie · 22-02-2007, 12:26 AM

No such thing.
It's either blank, 2 or 4 markings.

BJ · 22-02-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by [ NZTS50 ]

Oh OK, my apologies if I'm wrong, I admit it.

Mopars I guess are a totally different ball park. My bad. ;)

Mopar guys will pay through the nose for the right block. I have a couple of mates here in Melbourne that had some one in the states search high and low for the correct year block for there cars. They were saying it would add at least another 50% to the price of the car.

5.0failane · 22-02-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

The numbers game is everything when it comes to valuable collectors cars. I have a list of every single RT Charger ever made, where it was sold, what options it had, engine number, chassis number and the whole shebang. I quite often am rang up by people all over the place trying to check if their vehicle is matching numbers. I will never tell them what engine number their car should have though, that way they can try and restamp blocks etc. and do the dodgy. But I imagine someone would help track down the owner of a car if you had an engine that might be important to them. For the owner of an original GT to be reunited with its correct engine would be all his Christmas's come at once. Trust me on that. And even if not reunited for the car of course it would be worth more, and it would make the care it is in also worth more I reckon if it had the engine out of an original GT in it. It certainly would be worth more to me and I think to most people that are into old cars.

A little off topic but can u track down an RT from the original licence plate or do you need the vin. I know my old man would love to know what happed to his old RT