Meat and Livestock Australia Ad Cancelled !!!!

csv8 · 20-12-2006, 02:59 PM

Hows this for stupidity ? Sam Kekovich was going to do and ad for Meat and Livestock Australia . Advertising lamb.
The ad was "Is Lamb". BUT so as not to offend muslims was cancelled. "Is Lamb" "Islam"
Total Christians 12,764,342.....Islam 281,578
Why are we so **** scared of offending them ??????????????

dazAUSR · 20-12-2006, 03:13 PM

One is two words...Is Lamb & the other is one word Islam....I can't see any connection really or how this could possibly offend.

If that is true as you say, I think it's ridiculous to stop the ad. The farmers need all the support they can get now, since most are enduring a long drought and we are lucky to have the choice to consume such high quality meat produced here in Australia.

4.9 EF Futura · 20-12-2006, 03:26 PM

The story is true:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20941407-2,00.html

csv8, i'll ask you the same thing i asked in that other thread. Just because they are a minority group, it's ok to offend them?

LTDHO · 20-12-2006, 03:30 PM

It's a sad life we have to live now.

Falcon_Phill · 20-12-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

csv8, i'll ask you the same thing i asked in that other thread. Just because they are a minority group, it's ok to offend them?

Can you explain to everyone first how its offending them?

Simmo · 20-12-2006, 03:42 PM

its not like its about pork or anything either. ramadan has passed for those of the islamic faith and lamb is not a forbidden food. i couldn't see how this would be offensive?

Bossxr8 · 20-12-2006, 03:47 PM

I thought this was Australia. The way things get tip toed around so we don't offend the Muslims is pathetic. Makes me think this country may soon be called Lebanon junior. Time to start throwing rocks at Isreali tanks.

**Polyal** · 20-12-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Can you explain to everyone first how its offending them?

EXACTLY.

Some people are just sooks. The last lamb add he did was a crack up.

Im so sick and tired of things being changed because a couple of people have a tear'y.

Bah...

4.9 EF Futura · 20-12-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Can you explain to everyone first how its offending them?

I didnt make any statements about the ad and how offensive (or otherwise) i think it is. I wouldnt know, im not of the islamic faith.

CSV8, if one considers the context of his question, states that we should not worry about offending people of a minority group:

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Total Christians 12,764,342.....Islam 281,578
Why are we so **** scared of offending them ??????????????

And i would like to know how the conclusion is drawn that, simply beacuse there's not that many islamic followers in australia, its ok to offend them (by way of an advertisement or whatever). I have my suspicions, but im not one to put words into others mouths.

So I dont think my question was out of line. Frankly im suprised you're behaving so defensively.

In answer to your question, i suggest you read the link i posted, to read about the nature of the ad and how the company reached the conclusion that it was going "too far" (their words, not mine).

4.9 EF Futura · 20-12-2006, 03:56 PM

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I thought this was Australia. The way things get tip toed around so we don't offend the Muslims is pathetic. Makes me think this country may soon be called Lebanon junior. Time to start throwing rocks at Isreali tanks.

Quote:

EXACTLY.

Some people are just sooks. The last lamb add he did was a crack up.

Im so sick and tired of things being changed because a couple of people have a tear'y.

Bah...

Maybe we wouldnt have to tread lightly around such topics if people didnt arc up like spot welders whenever the topic is raised. The people who jump straight onto the "this is PC rubbish" bandwagon are just as destructive as the couple of people having a teary.

1 post into the thread and everyone's made up their minds on the matter. No discussion, no search for the 'other side of the story'. Straight into it.

We're so narrow minded, we're not even willing to explore the topic?

dazAUSR · 20-12-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Maybe we wouldnt have to tread lightly around such topics if people didnt arc up like spot welders whenever the topic is raised. The people who jump straight onto the "this is PC rubbish" bandwagon are just as destructive as the couple of people having a teary.

1 post into the thread and everyone's made up their minds on the matter. No discussion, no search for the 'other side of the story'. Straight into it.

We're so narrow minded, we're not even willing to explore the topic?

When I think of Sam Kekovich and his last ad, it was meant to be funny and promote a product. Can't anyone be funny and have a good laugh. I have read the article and even if the ad had gone ahead in it's original form, I still think it's stupid to say it would offend muslims. How many times is the mickey taken out of gay people, overweight people, holden drivers....as long as it's done with some humour then it's ok in my opinion. Isn't it ok to have a sense of humour anymore?
I don't think it is jumping in , when you simply express what you think. The fact is most of us eat lamb, we need to help the farmers by consuming it and frankly if you can't promote it with a bit of difference then, there are plenty of other tv channels throughout the world a person can watch. I don't agree at all that it's PC rubbish..!

**Polyal** · 20-12-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

1 post into the thread and everyone's made up their minds on the matter. No discussion, no search for the 'other side of the story'. Straight into it.

We're so narrow minded, we're not even willing to explore the topic?

What topic?

Thats the point, its such a non issue that people blow up to get on TV themselves.

Falcon_Phill · 20-12-2006, 04:24 PM

Well its our country and its our meat, we should be able to make what ever ads we see fit, regardless of who will be offended. If a thousand people kick up at the coke ad where the guy draws tits in the sand would that get canned? Doubt it, but as soon as it touches on some racial / religon rubbish it becomes so serious. It shouldnt matter if lamb is or is not a forbidden food to islam, because NEWSFLASH! we're in Australia. If we have to learn their ways in some aspects, they can bloody learn ours.

vectra-racer · 20-12-2006, 04:40 PM

what has nationality got to do with religion?? absolutely nothing.

if you seriously cannot see that "islam" and "is lamb" sound the same and may be considered offensive then you really are narrow minded.

its just good manners.

in much the same way that i dont go blowing my cigarette smoke at non-smokers.
non smokers would find it offensive.

eb_5litre · 20-12-2006, 04:52 PM

So now its rude to say the word Islam (or anything that sounds like it) ?

Makes me wonder how Coon cheese has survived for so long......

HTCURRY · 20-12-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I thought this was Australia. The way things get tip toed around so we don't offend the Muslims is pathetic. Makes me think this country may soon be called Lebanon junior. Time to start throwing rocks at Isreali tanks.

I dont normally like calling people out. But you are an misinformed IDIOT. If you had the intelligence to do a little bit of research for yourself, instead of letting Pauline do it for you, you would know that a majority of the Lebanese in this country are Christian and not Muslim. Secondly WTF does being muslim have to do with Lebanon?

Its stating the obvious, but i doubt you know this either, but Lebanon is NOT a muslim country.

FYI Afghan muslims have been in this country for over a 100 years now. What does being muslim in Australia have to do with throwing rocks at Israeli(note the spelling) tanks? Or are you implying Israeli tanks roam around the streets of Australia...in that case your first sentence of this being Australia would be FALSE.

That would make this ISRAEL.

Having said all that....id have loved to see the ads in their original form, and I wouldnt have been offended, more than likely I would have wanted to go down to the butchers to purchase some Lamb Chops at that very moment.

Australian Muslim and proud to be so.

vectra-racer · 20-12-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eb_5litre

So now its rude to say the word Islam (or anything that sounds like it) ?

Makes me wonder how Coon cheese has survived for so long......

is that a serious comment?

bwahaha

who suggested that simply saying the word was offensive?
its when you associate peoples beliefs with something negative [or that they perceive as negative] that its not acceptable.

actually, because you dont find something offensive doesnt mean it isnt.

hence why the swear words in here are **** starred out, the writer clearly doesnt find it offensive but the forums managers realise that SOME people might, hence its removed for all.

The Monty · 20-12-2006, 05:02 PM

Austrlalia says Harden the Fudge up!!!. Too many bloody sorry people in this world. I get offended everytime I see one in complete headscarfs, but I dant get them banned. Get over it "Is lamb".

dazAUSR · 20-12-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vectra-racer

what has nationality got to do with religion?? absolutely nothing.

if you seriously cannot see that "islam" and "is lamb" sound the same and may be considered offensive then you really are narrow minded.

its just good manners.

in much the same way that i dont go blowing my cigarette smoke at non-smokers.
non smokers would find it offensive.

Yes I agree they do sound the same and I'm not narrow minded....they might sound it but don't look like it.....one is a belief and one runs around the paddock. Also then I could be offended when an american says, thier fanny is sore....check out the meaning of fanny in the USA. Sounds like something i've heard before here but means different. I just understand the difference and get on with the barbeque.

Really, I respect that you blow the cigarette smoke away from non smokers but must we not do something just beacause it doesn't sound right?

4.9 EF Futura · 20-12-2006, 05:04 PM

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Well its our country and its our meat, we should be able to make what ever ads we see fit, regardless of who will be offended.

So... you wouldnt think an ad that said

"if you dont eat lamb, you're a f-a-g-g-o-t"

Would be ok, too?

Falcon_Phill · 20-12-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

So... you wouldnt think an ad that said

"if you dont eat lamb, you're a f-a-g-g-o-t"

Would be ok, too?

If thats what they wanted to make then thats up to them, but you and i both know it wouldnt last long, so why suggest it? BTW the 'drink drive and your a bloody idiot' ad worked well, so you never know.

csv8 · 20-12-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I didnt make any statements about the ad and how offensive (or otherwise) i think it is. I wouldnt know, im not of the islamic faith.

CSV8, if one considers the context of his question, states that we should not worry about offending people of a minority group:

And i would like to know how the conclusion is drawn that, simply beacuse there's not that many islamic followers in australia, its ok to offend them (by way of an advertisement or whatever). I have my suspicions, but im not one to put words into others mouths.

So I dont think my question was out of line. Frankly im suprised you're behaving so defensively.

In answer to your question, i suggest you read the link i posted, to read about the nature of the ad and how the company reached the conclusion that it was going "too far" (their words, not mine).

I am not saying its ok to offend them. I think they should assimilate into Australia. The add had no intention of offending muslims. I work with muslims.
If you cann't laugh at yourself, then I am sorry for you. The country needs more humour. We have jokes about, wogs, dago's, poms, irish etc etc etc. No problem, mention muslims and we run scared.

vectra-racer · 20-12-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

If thats what they wanted to make then thats up to them, but you and i both know it wouldnt last long, so why suggest it? BTW the 'drink drive and your a bloody idiot' ad worked well, so you never know.

being a drink driver is socially and morally reprehensible.

choosing to follow a religion is not.

csv8 · 20-12-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vectra-racer

is that a serious comment?

bwahaha

who suggested that simply saying the word was offensive?
its when you associate peoples beliefs with something negative [or that they perceive as negative] that its not acceptable.

actually, because you dont find something offensive doesnt mean it isnt.

hence why the swear words in here are **** starred out, the writer clearly doesnt find it offensive but the forums managers realise that SOME people might, hence its removed for all.

There was a campaign by aborigines to get Coon cheese name changed, but lost the case. Also they tried to get the Nigger Brown Stadium in Toowoomba name changed and also lost. It was named after a famous rugby player who was called Nigger Brown.
People stop being soooo serious, laugh at yourselves. Dr Patch Adams would be proud...

HTCURRY · 20-12-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

I am not saying its ok to offend them. I think they should assimilate into Australia. The add had no intention of offending muslims. I work with muslims.
If you cann't laugh at yourself, then I am sorry for you. The country needs more humour. We have jokes about, wogs, dago's, poms, irish etc etc etc. No problem, mention muslims and we run scared.

I dont think we are afraid to make fun of and call out muslims when we feel our way of life is threatened, on the contrary, making fun of muslims is very much in vogue. On the face of it, Cronulla was about Lebanese thugs(muslim and christian) making life hell for the average beach goer, families, young girls, everyone, but somehow it became Muslims go home.

The PM said the people of Cronulla had a right to vent their anger/frustration/worries....doesnt sound like running scared to me.

XR6TickfordBoy · 20-12-2006, 05:14 PM

It's Australia, not Baghdad! What happened to freedom of speech? It's like the band Shihad that changed their name cause it sounded like "Jihad"! In Australia we have the rights to advertise something based on humour, as long as that's the basis of the ad and there are no direct and purposeful connotation's to minority groups! If people get offended by our ways and lifestyle your in the wrong country!!!

Falcon_Phill · 20-12-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vectra-racer

being a drink driver is socially and morally reprehensible.

choosing to follow a religion is not.

Who said it was? I said if it touches on some racial / religon topic then its likely to kick up ****, which it will. If i said muslims are stupid, it would touch on it. If i said lebonese people rape in packs of 8, it would stir up ****, which confirms what i said. I dont see what your trying to point out here.

HTCURRY · 20-12-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6TickfordBoy

It's Australia, not Baghdad! What happened to freedom of speech? It's like the band Shihad that changed their name cause it sounded like "Jihad"! In Australia we have the rights to advertise something based on humour, as long as that's the basis of the ad and there are no direct and purposeful connotation's to minority groups! If people get offended by our ways and lifestyle your in the wrong country!!!

I agree with your premise that freedom of speech should apply to everyone, but as you know there are boundaries. Im not saying in this instance it was crossed, in fact after reading the article i thought it might have been quite humourous.

Your analogy using the example of the band Shihad is however, misplaced. They chose to change their name, because they didnt want people to accidentally associate them with Jihad(and all the negatives that brings to peoples minds straight away).

XR6TickfordBoy · 20-12-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HTCURRY

Your analogy using the example of the band Shihad is however, misplaced. They chose to change their name, because they didnt want people to accidentally associate them with Jihad(and all the negatives that brings to peoples minds straight away).

But if it wasn't for the rise of Muslim's and in particular Terrorism they wouldn't have had to change their name which ultimately nearly cost them their career! Immigration should not cost Australia it's tradition's and livelihood, I am aware this country was built on immigration but we built our own unique identity and it should not be comprimised at any cost!!!

4.9 EF Futura · 20-12-2006, 05:32 PM

OK dont even put the shihad thing in the same light as this issue.

They changed to - whatever it was - because it was trendy to jump onto the 9/11 cause. All the big rock stars were doing it. for those few months, it was trendy to support America.

They promptly changed their names back to Shihad as soon as the latest wave of anti-americanism started.

The initial change was voluntary, for their own motives and to further their own interests. It was not an issue of PC.