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20-05-2011, 04:56 PM | #1 | |||
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...0-profit-24946
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20-05-2011, 05:00 PM | #2 | ||
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Thats great news, lets hope they keep it up!
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20-05-2011, 05:31 PM | #3 | ||
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Good one!
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20-05-2011, 05:48 PM | #4 | |||
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http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578960027AB41
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20-05-2011, 06:17 PM | #5 | ||
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Bloody well done Ford. That 41.5% drop in Falcon sales is horrifying though.
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20-05-2011, 07:54 PM | #6 | |||
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http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...ul#makeComment
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20-05-2011, 08:04 PM | #7 | ||
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3000 falcons are parked outside the plant! no where for them to go :(
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20-05-2011, 09:17 PM | #8 | ||||
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20-05-2011, 09:27 PM | #9 | ||
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So whats the moral of the story. Less local production in the sales mix, means bigger profits??????
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20-05-2011, 09:53 PM | #10 | |||
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20-05-2011, 10:15 PM | #11 | ||
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Why do Drive.com hate Ford so much? Did Ford setup those funds and incentives? Are Holden and Toyota not eligible for the same incentives? Ford played their cards right and came out with a tidy profit, two years in a row. They invested MILLIONS into the local economy and were rewarded for this by being eligible for the incentives.
Gah they make me sick. Have to always find something negative.
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20-05-2011, 10:31 PM | #12 | |||
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It's a Fairfax publication so gilding the lilly is probably their modus operandi and will never be of the same calibre as GoAuto and Carpoint etc.
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20-05-2011, 10:32 PM | #13 | |||
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20-05-2011, 10:46 PM | #14 | ||
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I think the point is its not longer the falcon car company its now the one ford car company falcon doesnt mean as much as it did to them which is a good thing
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20-05-2011, 11:13 PM | #15 | |||
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While the 2010 result is a good one, it's no indicator to the current state of play especially with Falcons piled up around Broadmeadows plant for the past 6 months. |
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20-05-2011, 11:25 PM | #16 | |||
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21-05-2011, 12:57 AM | #17 | |||
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which was slightly better than 2009 figure so in that respect the balance and shift in buyer preference was well managed... What is more concerning is that stockpile of Falcons which really became prominent late last year and don't forget the 2010 result really does not reflect the drop off that happened in November and has since been controlled by Ford reducing plant output to 3-day week, that issue will really underscore the 2011 result, so Ford needs a big second half surge from EcoLPI and Territory. We should be able to gauge Ford's success or otherwise from the next three months sales figures, if that XR sale hasn't reduced the stockpile, then I'd expect even bigger cuts like the really sweet $32,990 offer for ABN holders, maybe that gets extended to private buyers...... |
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21-05-2011, 10:02 AM | #18 | ||
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Can't gauge their success yet, as none of the models mentioned have hit the road yet. Seems to be delays everywhere! I'd say it'll take a good year or so for things to sort themselves out for the better.
Sounds like a small profit, though. Wasn't Holden's profit margin more than $100mil? Seems they're easily doing better than Ford Aus.
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21-05-2011, 12:01 PM | #19 | |||
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getting $100 million profit off that amount of revenue is nothing to crow about but I'm thinking that a lot of that money is because of $149 million from green car fund - as was Ford's profit too. Maybe a lot of revenue being redirected as "expenses" to minimize tax and maximize business it is possible that profit for imported Ford cars stays with the Asian and European business units and I'm guessing that Australia basically reports the profits from Falcon, Territory and Ute sales.. Last edited by jpd80; 21-05-2011 at 12:11 PM. |
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21-05-2011, 01:54 PM | #20 | ||
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HUGE INVESTMENT but a small profit.
In 2009 Ford Aus invested $320M in R&D and in 2010 that figure was $307M. This is far more than any other company in the manufacturing industry. Probably higher than anybody in Australia. Over the last 4 years the R&D most likely totals over $1 Billion. This R&D needs to be advertised. "Investing in Australias future". Well done on controlling costs and achieving a higher average sales price. Now get the marketing happening! Fiesta and Mondeo ads are very good. More for the rest of the range.
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21-05-2011, 02:03 PM | #21 | |||
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That's simplistic I know but underlines the strategic importance of Australia in the FAPA region.... |
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21-05-2011, 02:32 PM | #22 | |||
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21-05-2011, 10:15 PM | #23 | ||
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First 9 months of 2010 were very good and this profit is the result of that.
I would hate to see what the profit/loss is like for the last 8 months though, it would be a bloodbath. 2011 will be a significant loss, the new models will come too late to return Ford to profitability for 2011, but hopefully all goes well and 2012 results in lots of black ink. |
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21-05-2011, 11:18 PM | #24 | |||
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of unsold stock there, it wont be a complete loss as most will still be sold well above cost. Having months of 3-day weeks sounds bad but it's preferable to making even more unsold Falcons... None of this helps when Ford is trying to stitch together a business case for next gen Falcon. People threatening not to buy a proposed FWD Falcon is the last thing on Ford's mind, getting anyone to buy the current RWD Falcon at the moment is challenging enough.... |
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21-05-2011, 11:55 PM | #25 | |||
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/subsi...427-1dwsz.html There are many businesses that have some subsidies offered to them but I don't believe they subtract these from their bottom line. I am not a big supporter of the car makers being subsidied to a point that they become reliant on them. I am much more in favor of them receiving assistance through innovation (a scheme similar to the green car fund but a little better organised). A good result by Ford. Hope they can clear the car park out the back without losing too much money.
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22-05-2011, 12:06 AM | #26 | ||
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FoA also managed to cut their internal debt by $50 million and dumped $307 million into research.
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22-05-2011, 05:41 PM | #27 | ||
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The 7 and 12 year comparisons for the three manufacturers make interesting viewing:
Over the 12 year period from 99-10 (inclusive) we can see that all three have been profitable with Toyota ahead of Holden and Ford. Over the 7 year period from 04-10 (inclusive) we can see that only Toyota have been profitable with Holden losing a substantial amount and Ford losing considerably less. Cheers Russ
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23-05-2011, 08:12 AM | #28 | ||
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It is no secret that without goverment support there would not be australian made cars.
Even Toyota receives taxpayers money - but probably depends on it a bit less then Holden and Ford. |
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23-05-2011, 02:10 PM | #29 | |||
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Its not a bad thing that our manufacturers are receiving government support. They need it, specially with the highcost of manufacturing in Australia. Its simply not a level playing field anymore with the imports so its very much needed for our local manufacturers.
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