shell e10 ethanol beware!!

**Stav** · 26-02-2008, 06:11 PM

This morning I thought I would be environmentally friendly and use shell ethanol based fuel.Withing 5 minutes of driving the car backfired like chitty chitty bang bang.That subsided so I thought I would give it benefit of the doubt and drove all day with it.Once home I heard a whizzing sound from the rear.It turns out that my walbro pump may be damaged by this fuel.It sounds like the internals are being eaten up by a corrosive substance.This is all on the first day of using this fuel. My expensive pump sounds ready to die...

I have to say that I am not impressed with this crap.

BeStRaFe · 26-02-2008, 06:13 PM

drain it out,
go and complain

it may be an issue with the fuel as i have used E10 in every petrol car i drive of late...
even my turbo!!!! :S

Laminge · 26-02-2008, 06:16 PM

Been running it fine in all my cars

Sounds like your pump is on its way out or there was water in the fuel.

Yellow_Festiva · 26-02-2008, 06:22 PM

There is a leaflet (usually behind the counter) that has a list of cars that should not use E10.

The festiva is on that list. Wish I knew that before I pumped in a full tank of the stuff to "see how it would go" etc.

I stopped after every 50km and crammed as much premium as I could get in to thin it out.

Thats the main issue, it's corrosive on the pipes. If you have a non standard pump, perhaps you could save it by draining the tank, or if you have space, just thin it out with premium, I very much doubt that you could stuff things after the first use only?

XDV800 · 26-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Perhaps the WALBRO is not designed for ethanol blended fuel, might be nothing to do with the fuel or the car.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 26-02-2008, 06:30 PM

we've used nothing but e10 for over a year now, never had a problem.

fmc351 · 26-02-2008, 06:44 PM

Aus gets E10 because its the level at which its deemed safe for most systems not designed for E fuel at all, cars can be set up to run e85 or more. Our cars arent setup for e fuel at all, its just E10 is a level they reckon it can cope with, thats what it boils down to when you cut through the PR. I dont bother with it for that reason. Some effects wont be felt for years as it takes time, its not sulphuric acid, others will be hidden by other variables and the effects just go unnoticed and blamed on other things.

RG · 26-02-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yzfr101

Perhaps the WALBRO is not designed for ethanol blended fuel, might be nothing to do with the fuel or the car.

Mine has run E10 in the past with no problems whatsoever. Although the last tank I used (I try to avoid it) from United of their 98 made the XR run like rubbish.

**Peuty** · 26-02-2008, 07:00 PM

So what octane rating is E10? I just thought it was cheap dodgy crap that you only put in Korean cars.

dallasv8 · 26-02-2008, 07:09 PM

United servo's have 95-ron ehthanol fuel.my EF fairmont runs good on it as does the mrs 95 magna

**Professor Farnsworth** · 26-02-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

So what octane rating is E10? I just thought it was cheap dodgy crap that you only put in Korean cars.

95 at all the ones i've seen.

fmc351 · 26-02-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcrackers

95 at all the ones i've seen.

Supposedly theres 98 too.

MickyB · 26-02-2008, 07:22 PM

Ever since I ran 1 tank of United Boost 98 in my car it has pinged and knocked like hell when running anything over 10 psi. Putting new Iridium plugs in stopped the knock at anything around 8 psi, but it still knocks like hell on high boost when previously it was fine. Obviously I should have thought more about what I was doing when I filled up, but I feel that my fuel pump is probably on the way out too.
I will never run another car on anything with ethanol in it again, just not worth the risk if you have a modified car.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 26-02-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MickyB

Ever since I ran 1 tank of United Boost 98 in my car it has pinged and knocked like hell when running anything over 10 psi. Putting new Iridium plugs in stopped the knock at anything around 8 psi, but it still knocks like hell on high boost when previously it was fine. Obviously I should have thought more about what I was doing when I filled up, but I feel that my fuel pump is probably on the way out too.
I will never run another car on anything with ethanol in it again, just not worth the risk if you have a modified car.

I thought United Boost 98 was standard premo 98 fuel ? e-10 is the ethanol brand.

MickyB · 26-02-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcrackers

I thought United Boost 98 was standard premo 98 fuel ? e-10 is the ethanol brand.

Not according to the website .
I accept I should have checked that it was ok to run in my car, but that doesn't stop me from being pi$$ed off.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 26-02-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MickyB

Not according to the website .
I accept I should have checked that it was ok to run in my car, but that doesn't stop me from being pi$$ed off.

yeah my mistake. i was just looking at their site myself to check before you posted again. and yes, i wouldn't put anything other than standard conventional fuel into a boosted or worked car.

**Stav** · 26-02-2008, 09:36 PM

Maybe they should add a bit of canola oil for pumps like mine to keep working well?

Dave_au · 26-02-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

There is a leaflet (usually behind the counter) that has a list of cars that should not use E10.

On the web:

http://www.fcai.com.au/ethanol.php/2.../00000005.html

AlbertM · 26-02-2008, 09:47 PM

We plow 1400 Litres of United Plus 95 ULP through 2 ED Falcons a month without a single glich. Even use a tad less than the 91ron stuff.

Deadman · 26-02-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Supposedly theres 98 too.

Yeah, United have 98 RON E10 fuel that costs about 3c more than standard unleaded (and their 95 RON E10 fuel is about 3c cheaper than standard unleaded)

Yellow_Festiva · 26-02-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

On the web:

http://www.fcai.com.au/ethanol.php/2.../00000005.html

Just realised something??? Ok, the Festiva is on the list as 'do not use', however for Kia, it says anything post 1996 is ok???

So... seeing as the Festiva is built by Kia, wonder why there is this discrepancy?? you would think they share a lot of the mechanical components to save money?

Oh... and what's a "Holden Scurry"??

Dave_au · 26-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Oh... and what's a "Holden Scurry"??

Lasted little more than 18 months apparently

fordAU · 26-02-2008, 10:50 PM

Guys, any windsor owners having ping issues with E10 fuels ?

schnoods · 26-02-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Lasted little more than 18 months apparently

Haha, another great name for a Van. Follows in the line up of Tacuma, Vannette, starwagon, Bongo, Urvan and Pregio.

They would probably have been better off calling it a Scurvy.

Also, Just out of curiosity, do they have the E10 in many joints over here in the West?

RG · 27-02-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fordAU

Guys, any windsor owners having ping issues with E10 fuels ?

That's one thing that Boost 98 hasn't caused on mine. I've never had a problem with it, apart from economy, before that last tank.

ltd · 27-02-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by schnoods

Haha, another great name for a Van. Follows in the line up of Tacuma, Vannette, starwagon, Bongo, Urvan and Pregio.

They would probably have been better off calling it a Scurvy.

Also, Just out of curiosity, do they have the E10 in many joints over here in the West?

Weren't they also the suzuki mighty boy? Didn't Hammond roll one of these on the top gear van challenge?

fordAU · 27-02-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

That's one thing that Boost 98 hasn't caused on mine. I've never had a problem with it, apart from economy, before that last tank.

Thanks for that Red, currently running with Freedom Fuels 98 and I have noticed a slight ping from about 4,500rpm.

Could have been there anyway regardless of which fuel is used, I dont tend to drive hard but on rare occasions will give it a bit of a squirt to about 5 thou if that and it is a definite ping.
Not sure if it is fuel related or not, normally use Shell 98 but who knows.

I noted that in a previous thread you found that NGK's caused pinging in your vehicle, I am using their iridiums atm so it could also be a plug issue, will try some motorcraft ones and see if that makes a difference.

Cheers.

The Monty · 27-02-2008, 02:57 AM

Ive used it for nearly 2 years and the Monty seeme to love it. I still get 700 k's to the tank and no wierd noises.
I use the 95 ron blend from united, maybe Walbros dont like it Stav?

RG · 27-02-2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fordAU

Thanks for that Red, currently running with Freedom Fuels 98 and I have noticed a slight ping from about 4,500rpm.

Could have been there anyway regardless of which fuel is used, I dont tend to drive hard but on rare occasions will give it a bit of a squirt to about 5 thou if that and it is a definite ping.
Not sure if it is fuel related or not, normally use Shell 98 but who knows.

I noted that in a previous thread you found that NGK's caused pinging in your vehicle, I am using their iridiums atm so it could also be a plug issue, will try some motorcraft ones and see if that makes a difference.

Cheers.

Try BP ultimate. I know Whoosha's XR runs best on either that or Shell V power Racing 100.

fordAU · 27-02-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

Try BP ultimate. I know Whoosha's XR runs best on either that or Shell V power Racing 100.

Thanks for that, will try that next and see how it goes.

These AU XR8's are a great ride, love em but they are highly stressed buggers, you would think the missus would be enough :hihi: