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Old 15-07-2023, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default My observations.

Governments keep going about Traffic Cameras are about Road Safety.
In Melbourne's Eastern Suburbs two locations have had their Fixed Cameras removed.

Governments keep ramming down our throats about distracted drivers, yet why are drivers allowed to hang all sorts of things from their rear vision mirrors.
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Old 16-07-2023, 07:28 AM   #2
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A Google search tells me you can be fined if those objects obstruct your vision. I see a lot of that too.
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Old 16-07-2023, 07:44 AM   #3
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And yet car manufacturers can have giant touch screens as standard, blocking half your field of vision with all these bells and whistles annoyingly alarming you while you are trying to drive.

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And then there’s passengers! Another distraction.
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The law only matters if they decide to enforce them,

When was the last time you heard or seen someone get booked for driving in the right lane 30 under the limit?
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The law only matters if they decide to enforce them,

When was the last time you heard or seen someone get booked for driving in the right lane 30 under the limit?
Why would they be booked for that? Unless there were some other criteria applicable, what you've posted is not illegal.
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Old 16-07-2023, 12:21 PM   #7
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Why would they be booked for that? Unless there were some other criteria applicable, what you've posted is not illegal.
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Keeping left

When driving on any multi-lane road with a speed limit over 80km/h, you must keep out of the right lane unless:

you are overtaking or turning right, or
all lanes are congested.

If the right lane is a transit lane, this rule applies to the lane immediately to the left of the transit lane.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...rules/freeways

Yes there is, the fact people don't even realize it's a rule in Victoria backs up my point

There's even a nice big sign you'll see on freeways



There's also reference to obstructing other drivers in our road rules in our Road Safety Road Rules 2017



https://content.legislation.vic.gov....authorised.pdf

Haven't heard of it being enforced though, what's 'abnormally slow'? Id consider 20+ under the limit on a freeway as 'abnormally slow'given 3 over the limit is enough to get you a speeding fine in VIC.

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Yes there is, the fact people don't even realize it's a rule in Victoria backs up my point

There's even a nice big sign you'll see on freeways

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There's also reference to obstructing other drivers in our road rules in our Road Safety Road Rules Act 2017

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Haven't heard of it being enforced though
I'm well aware of both the keep left and unreasonably obstructing rules, but neither of those are the rules they''d be booked for in the scenario you described before. A person doing 30 under the limit has the right to overtake someone who is doing 35 under the limit, for eg. And I doubt very much that either of them would be booked for obstructing. Have a look at part 125 2 (B) of the rule you posted for the reason why.

Again, unless there were some other criteria applicable, what you've posted is not illegal.

And for the record, a mate of mine was pinged by the constabulary for sitting in the right hand lane of a multi lane freeway when not overtaking, too. And he deserved it. Did it all the time. It's my pet hate and agree that it would be nice to see more people booked for it!
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Governments keep ramming down our throats about distracted drivers, yet why are drivers allowed to hang all sorts of things from their rear vision mirrors.
I think you'll find the Vic government is very active in making sure people don't obstruct their vision out of the windscreen.

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https://www.9news.com.au/national/vi...0-903cfccb3b4f
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I'm well aware of both the keep left and unreasonably obstructing rules, but neither of those are the rules they''d be booked for in the scenario you described before. A person doing 30 under the limit has the right to overtake someone who is doing 35 under the limit, for eg. And I doubt very much that either of them would be booked for obstructing. Have a look at part 125 2 (B) of the rule you posted for the reason why.

Again, unless there were some other criteria applicable, what you've posted is not illegal.

And for the record, a mate of mine was pinged by the constabulary for sitting in the right hand lane of a multi lane freeway when not overtaking, too. And he deserved it. Did it all the time. It's my pet hate and agree that it would be nice to see more people booked for it!
Drivers have been booked up my way for obstructing the free flow of traffic, I congratulate the cops for doing so. (One of my all time pet hates.)

Driver who turn left from the right side of a roadway impeding following traffic as well as drivers turning right from the left.

We all know the type, slow right down, wanting to turn left even with a left turn lane provided and still manage to take up both the left turn lane and main roadway lane.
FFS they are not negotiating a corner in a semi !

That is otherwise known as impeding the flow of traffic, particularly more annoying when you are following one of these turds in a truck.
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Why would they be booked for that? Unless there were some other criteria applicable, what you've posted is not illegal.
It would be in WA as you can get booked for driving 20klm under the speed limit in any lane on a freeway as it causes obstruction of traffic.
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Governments keep going about Traffic Cameras are about Road Safety.
In Melbourne's Eastern Suburbs two locations have had their Fixed Cameras removed.

Governments keep ramming down our throats about distracted drivers, yet why are drivers allowed to hang all sorts of things from their rear vision mirrors.
Where? Probably wasn't earning enough for the maintenance cost.
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Where? Probably wasn't earning enough for the maintenance cost.
I'm suspect if they've been removed or they have been temporarily for upgrades to the new phone/red light and speed camera combination. The latest cameras are much smaller.

I notice the M80 cameras under the sign gantries and bridges suddenly became much smaller in size from the 1990s spec massive ones they used to be.

Same as the old red light/speed cameras on suburban intersections, used to look like a massive mail box, now they're 1/3rd the size.

Same with mobile cameras, used to have an external flash on them mounted to a roo bar well out the side, now they're all internal in the boot, no obvious identifiers on the outside of the car like the previous generation ones.

As far as police drama goes for various things, one of the guys I worked with as an apprentice had a heavily modified VS Commodore in mint condition, but it had huge wheels and was slammed, external gauge pods, Venetians, the works.

Defect number 14 was for 'obstruction of view' for one of those scented tree things hanging from the rear vision mirror, so the definitions are loose enough to do something about it should they want to.

They've just got a narrow field of things they'll actually enforce - until you **** them off, they pick and choose who they enforce them on too (lawyer X scandal anyone?)

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I'm suspect if they've been removed or they have been temporarily for upgrades to the new phone/red light and speed camera combination. The latest cameras are much smaller.
Yep have noticed some compact "gadgets" popping up, wasn't sure if they are cameras or not. This one on Dandenong Road in Windsor popped up 18 months ago, and has me scratching my head. Looks too small to be a speed camera, and its also pointing front on. They don't look like the cameras that catch mobile phone use either. They look like the flashes that usually sit beside the red light cameras, but there is no red light camera there.



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Same with mobile cameras, used to have an external flash on them mounted to a roo bar well out the side, now they're all internal in the boot, no obvious identifiers on the outside of the car like the previous generation ones.
Ah yeh...now they point AT you, rather than catch you after you have gone past. I heard those cameras actually have a 3km range, and can scan across 6 lanes at a time. But I know for a fact they aren't currently configured to that capacity here
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https://goo.gl/maps/nPFATATzJm7CrwCU6

In the link above does anyone now what the pole between the camera and flash with the overhead gantry with the two objects attached is for?
I am wondering if they are fixed cameras for Mobile Phone use.
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In the link above does anyone now what the pole between the camera and flash with the overhead gantry with the two objects attached is for?
I am wondering if they are fixed cameras for Mobile Phone use.

remind me of the flash units at the red light/speed cameras down here.
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Where? Probably wasn't earning enough for the maintenance cost.
There was a wet film Camera at the Intersection of Manningham Rd and Thompsons Rd Bulleen, on the South West Corner, I haven't been through that intersection for about 10 years, checked google maps street view looks like it was removed sometime between Nov 2014 and October 2017. The Street view image from Sept 2022 shows the Red Light Camera Ahead signs in on Manningham Rd before the Camera Location.

The Second intersection is Canterbury Rd and Middleborough Rd in Blackburn.
Signs up on all approaches and no cameras.
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The Second intersection is Canterbury Rd and Middleborough Rd in Blackburn.
Signs up on all approaches and no cameras.

I think that one got removed like 20 years ago lol. I recall after they removed it, there was always a smash at that intersection as cars would run the amber, hitting cars waiting in the middle to turn right. I think they then changed the traffic light timing, and I haven't noticed any crashes or debris for the last few years.
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what are these strange camera things you talk about? why take photos of cars?
where I live the cops know everybody (that they need to know) we have 2 signalled pedestrian crossings and 1 set of traffic lights.
And possibly more B double grain trucks than big cities would see in a lifetime.

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