Ford stops sales of (some) Ranger, Everest, Endura and Transit

[janddbone]

I will stick with me BBQ juice for reliable cheap comfortable motoring.

[stefcio007]

Did Ford actually develop the diesel engines in these or are they off the shelf engines from PSA group (like mine)?

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Continental

Surface coating on the inside of the injectors becomes unstuck, blocking the injectors

Did they inform Ford about the proposed change to their production process? Did they get approval from Ford engineering? Did they get an SRA? Did they get PPAP approval? If the answer is no then Continental is in for a world of pain.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

Did Ford actually develop the diesel engines in these or are they off the shelf engines from PSA group (like mine)?

They are strictly Ford engines I believe. They no longer have a relationship with PSA as far as i am aware.

[janddbone]

Yes Ford 'Ecoblue' are all new out of Ford
. PSA themselves are no longer developing new diesel. They are saying electric moving forward.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Did they inform Ford about the proposed change to their production process? Did they get approval from Ford engineering? Did they get an SRA? Did they get PPAP approval? If the answer is no then Continental is in for a world of pain.

Honestly, this is what Ford gets by going with a cheaper supplier and then not watching them properly. Ford an Continental are making out like this is just one bad batch of injectors, I doubt it and suspect the quality was marginal right from the start.

Anyone that bought the lower priced 3.2 and chipped it would be laughing now.
A big failure like this really shakes the confidence of buyers who took a shot
With the baby diesel and better fuel economy, Ford mustn’t slip up here.

[XR Martin]

The old saying of don't buy the first model (or in this case engine) still rings true.

Kind of reminds me of of the 4.2L and 3L Nissan Patrols.
The TD42 had less power and torque, but the ZD30 was always a hand grenade, I don't anyone who had a good run with them.

[JFE]

There’s also a good story about Chicken Little...

There was a quality problem, Ford is taking steps to fix it. I think that’s pretty good.

I also reckon the 2.0 biturbo is pretty good to (actually owning one is worth something). The vast majority of reviews and other owners, also rate it highly.

Can’t speak to the other vehicles as I don’t own one.

But I can recommend a book to those running around seeing nothing but doom and gloom...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Honestly, this is what Ford gets by going with a cheaper supplier and then not watching them properly. Ford an Continental are making out like this is just one bad batch of injectors, I doubt it and suspect the quality was marginal right from the start.

Anyone that bought the lower priced 3.2 and chipped it would be laughing now.
A big failure like this really shakes the confidence of buyers who took a shot
With the baby diesel and better fuel economy, Ford mustn’t slip up here.

Did Ford change to Continental from whom ever supplied them when the 2.0L was first released? IIRC the 2.0L has been out for nealy 4 years?

I'm also wondering if Continental only supplied these injectors to Ford?

[GTLEGEND]

The issue with the injectors also effect other makes and models and yes it was only a bad batch identified by Continental. The issue revolves around the Piezo stack in the injector during assembly. I believe it affects around 700000 Ford cars globally and only around 2000 in Aus.

At the end of the day things do and will go wrong, that's mass production and a reality, we don't live in a perfect world. The issue is identified and progress on getting a solution as quick as possible. What more can you do after the fact!!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Did Ford change to Continental from whom ever supplied them when the 2.0L was first released? IIRC the 2.0L has been out for nealy 4 years?

I'm also wondering if Continental only supplied these injectors to Ford?

I gather they’re a Siemens injector built under licence so yeah, I’m gonna say that they were having issues with this on and off right from the start (not a sudden change in process) just too many to “hide” as a one off batch oops.

[janddbone]

Continental own Siemens/VDO fuel injectors. (Not saying they own all of Siemens,vjust bits via VDO purchase.)

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by BA-XT

I remember years ago asking how much a reconditioned injector pump on my old HJ-60 Cruiser would be... $2500 took me by surprise.

What do most people do when confronted with the repair bill? Assuming the car isnt running.

This x 1000

Had the exact same thing 20 years ago to my HJ60, I was stunned at the time for the $1200 bill, had never experienced anything like it. Other than that, the 2H was (happily) a dinosaur compared to modern diesels and everything else was cheap, just keep changing the oil. 10L/100km.

Let's hear it for the old petrol 186's, 202's; for the 250's and all their EFI, Intech and Barra successors - cheap and simple.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Continental own Siemens/VDO fuel injectors. (Not saying they own all of Siemens,vjust bits via VDO purchase.)

Correct continental bought Siemens VDO back in 2007 for about $15 billion
the injectors are branded continental but also reference Siemens

[jpd80]

All the recent problems with diesel be it REGEN or injectors makes me wonder whether
Something like a petrol hybrid is more practical for dual cab utes that don’t normally
carry or tow much and are mostly driven in cities and freeways. Even with a similar
price as buying a diesel, it could be a way of out smarting the oil companies that
Like to scalp people with generally higher diesel fuel prices, as well as forcing
down the price of diesel pick ups.

[Brazen]

Hell we would settle just for a normal 6 cylinder petrol at this point.

Our work is getting a new Ram, just one, to try it out. A white express, it will be in another state so wont get to see it.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Hell we would settle just for a normal 6 cylinder petrol at this point.

Our work is getting a new Ram, just one, to try it out. A white express, it will be in another state so wont get to see it.

I'd be interested to hear back on any feedback your interstate colleages give you.

[jpd80]

I think you’ll be in for a rude shock unless it’s doing lots of highway kilometres in cylinder deactivation mode. There’s no way to hide how much fuel those big pick ups use in city running where they get about 18-20 litres per 100 km.