Suggestions for FGII Wagon Designs. - Page 3

OffRoadFalcon · 09-11-2011, 09:09 PM

Chopped, yes it did win at the show. 1st.

I wanna try to make a full size wagon look good (at least to me). I'll see how it turns out. Not everyone will like it. Will be interesting to see what the reaction will be to my design.

Madwag, I'll design a special edition just for you with the wood panels. Just for you because no one else will buy it.

OffRoadFalcon · 09-11-2011, 09:16 PM

Thanks Gothefalcon,

I'll design it the best way I can! Besides if they use any of it, they can change what they want to suit.

madwag · 09-11-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CarsAreMyLife

Madwag, I'll design a special edition just for you with the wood panels. Just for you because no one else will buy it.

ill be in heaven. The thing i like about wagons of old is they where not sports cars but a car that was fun, and you did fun things in, and went fun places with.

**Gothefalcon** · 09-11-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by madwag

The thing i like about wagons of old is they where not sports cars but a car that was fun, and you did fun things in, and went fun places with.

Here! Here ! Totally agree with this statement !! That's why I've built my AWD Falcon Wagon... to be able to explore great places... and still be travelling in a Falcon Wagon.... just like I have done all these years !!

They're a bit like a mars bar really.... for work, rest & play !!

J.Molloy · 09-11-2011, 11:43 PM

As for a future falcon wagon. I think it will need to look sleek and sporty.
The big boxy, practical wagons are dead IMO, they won't sell well.

Sleek, sexy wagons are the next big thing IMO.

examples -
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love that merc shooting break, one seriously sexy wagon, be good to see how you get on with these drawings mate,

Would love love to see a, 'sleek kinda upper niche model, something along the lines of the merc but with ford styling

V8falcons · 09-11-2011, 11:51 PM

I like the blue XR8 wagon,was a winner from the start.

SPArKy_Dave · 10-11-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by madwag

ill be in heaven. The thing i like about wagons of old is they where not sports cars but a car that was fun, and you did fun things in, and went fun places with.

Like this.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjQN1TH81Q0

prydey · 10-11-2011, 08:12 AM

that blue xr8 wagon, and the merc/volvo/hyundai pictured are all about as practical and usefull as tits on a bull. the holden sportwagon also fits in this category.

the people that buy these type of cars don't necessarily need a wagon. they just buy a different body style car. the danger is it can eat into what would have been a sedan sale, so overall sales aren't increasing as much.

with falcon's wagon, the only people who were buying it were those who needed the wagon for what it is. for its practicality. every wagon sale wasn't at the expense of a sedan sale.

this is a two edged sword though to some degree. the most likely candidates for the wagon (families) can't afford to drop 40k on a new one so sales are low.

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 10:01 AM

I won't be designing a wagon like the Merc Shooting Brake or the other examples. That's heading off course. Not my plan at all. If someone else wishes to design a wagon that is meant to only contend with the sports wagons, then they may go ahead.

My plan, is to design a wagon that is big, and more practical than the last one, but, I want to try to make a wagon like that look really good. It's going to be a car that I would buy. I'd only buy one of those other sports wagons if I already had a big wagon. I love the usefulness you get from big wagons. So many things you can do. The challenge for me is to make it look good.

Haha, that video is perfect. Gives me an idea too. When I'm finished designing, I'll photocopy on of the designs, add a roo bar, roof racks, mudflaps and all other stuff, then I'll put some dust and dirt on the side, bugs on the front, and luggage in the back, on the rack, maybe even people inside the car. Then draw a simple, effective background. Rest area maybe.

Thanks everyone. If no one has any more sugguestions, I'll get started on my wagons.

Chopped · 10-11-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CarsAreMyLife

Chopped, yes it did win at the show. 1st..........

Well done, it's a good drawing.

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Originally Posted by prydey

......as practical.....

Practical cars are niche. People buy on trends (sad but true).

Example - Mazda 2 used to be a little box with heaps of storage, clever fold up seats etc etc (practical).
It didn't sell very well (the same niche people bought them). The new Mazda 2 is all about style (trendy) and is smaller and has less space etc etc (less practical). It is selling very well.

FalconXV · 10-11-2011, 12:14 PM

I would suggest one that combines the same dimensions as the EA-AU wagon, and Telstra black box functionality, with the seductive cues of the new breed of wagons. That way the Falcon wagon isn't just another also ran.I drew one of these in 2008 when the FG was released I will upload the scan soon.
Also a shooting brake

GT 160 · 10-11-2011, 03:41 PM

Can someone explain why everyone keeps saying a Ford wagon wont sell ?

Holden had no problem selling the Sportwagon, from a quick search they sold over 12,000 in the first year of release!

Is it because its a Ford ??

Pricing ??

Has the market changed ??

Or is it to do with Ford Aus marketing or lack thereof ??

I just dont get it.

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 03:55 PM

@Chopped.
Thanks, I was pretty happy with it. It's not bad. Proportions aren't perfect, but it was a quickie. Didn't spend all the time I could have getting it right.
Yeah, I get what you mean. I reckon if the Falcon wagon can be both practical and stylish, that'd be perfect. That's what I wanna go for. Whether I can achieve something good enough is unknown. I may even have a go at doing a sports wagon. The original idea was to just design a FG AWD wagon, and then I decided to do wagons in all the specs as well.

@FalconXV. Basically you have the idea. As I said before, the only way to explain to you what I would have the wagon look like, is to put it on paper.

I'd love to see your drawings! Looking forward to seeing the scan.

Thanks.

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzwa

Can someone explain why everyone keeps saying a Ford wagon wont sell ?

Holden had no problem selling the Sportwagon, from a quick search they sold over 12,000 in the first year of release!

Is it because its a Ford ??

Pricing ??

Has the market changed ??

Or is it to do with Ford Aus marketing or lack thereof ??

I just dont get it.

The reason a lot of people think a Falcon wagon that is full size and practical won't sell, is because of styling and trends. The wagon trend at this point in time is sportwagons.
It's not because it's a Ford, or the Pricing.
I reckon if Ford did make a sports type wagon, it would sell. But there's only one way to find out how well it would sell. I think that if Ford made a Falcon FGII wagon that is the same size (or a little larger) than the previous wagons, but styled the rear end to look really good, it could sell better than if they did a sport wagon. If you can get practicality and good looks, it can't be a bad thing.

I doesn't even matter if some of us think it would sell or it won't, it's all opinion. There's no way for us to prove who's right or wrong, only Ford can do that. If they ever decide to try a new wagon that is big big stylish, good luck to them, I'll buy one too.

Bossxr8 · 10-11-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothefalcon

Ahh !! You didn't say it THAT way before !!

Brings back memories of the Ex.... she expected me to read minds too !! Ha ha !!

(Shudder)

Isn't a "LWB Falcon sedan with Fairlane boot"... a Fairlane?? Or do you mean bring back the base model Fairlane, as was avialble in the 60s & 70s... which was basically a bigger falcon500,without all the Fairlane luxo trimmings?

Ford Owned the Luxo market in this country with Fairlane/LTD.... but the bean counters slowly stripped that away by undermining these vehicles through lack of differentiation ! Slowly but surely with each new model... came less and less changes, until they just looked like Fairmont Ghia's with a bigger bum! Even inside, it's hard to tell, unless you are a trainspotter !! A very sad demise indeed! Holden killed off the Statey & Ute for a while, then brought them back... perhaps Ford can do the same with Fairlane & Wagon !!??

It's up to you Chris !! Design a Wagon that no-one can resist... not even the bean counters at Ford !! Ha ha !!!

As buyers gradually crossed into Euros instead of LWB Fords, Ford had less and less money with every model to spend differentiating them. They killed it when sales dropped down to about 200 a month.

Guess where Holden is now with the Caprice. Statesman is already gone, and Caprice is selling about 150 a month. It will be dead soon too, so no LWB locally made cars will exist any more.

jpd80 · 10-11-2011, 07:20 PM

[QUOTE=Gothefalcon]Ahh !! You didn't say it THAT way before !!

Brings back memories of the Ex.... she expected me to read minds too !! Ha ha !!

(Shudder)
LOL, well this what i said originally:

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Originally Posted by jpd80
I heard that the long wheelbase cars were conditional on both surviving as FG variants
of Fairlane and Station wagon were to use longer wheelbase and the longer rear doors
but when Fairlane was cancelled, the chances of FG wagon really nose dived as the cost
for doing the doors and rear quarter panels couldn't be properly amortized without the
more expensive Fairlane to spread the costs.

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Isn't a "LWB Falcon sedan with Fairlane boot"... a Fairlane?? Or do you mean bring back the base model Fairlane, as was avialble in the 60s & 70s... which was basically a bigger falcon500,without all the Fairlane luxo trimmings?

Yes it is but think about it as a LWB Falcon G series...

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Ford Owned the Luxo market in this country with Fairlane/LTD.... but the bean counters slowly stripped that away by undermining these vehicles through lack of differentiation ! Slowly but surely with each new model... came less and less changes, until they just looked like Fairmont Ghia's with a bigger bum!

As I said earlier Polites diverted money away from Stationwagon and Luxury
LWBs to Territory because he felt that was the way to go with finite resources...

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Even inside, it's hard to tell, unless you are a trainspotter !! A very sad demise indeed! Holden killed off the Statey & Ute for a while, then brought them back... perhaps Ford can do the same with Fairlane & Wagon !!??

It's up to you Chris !! Design a Wagon that no-one can resist... not even the bean counters at Ford !! Ha ha !!!

I was hoping that FG would have had roughly a 50mm wheelbase increase but not to be...

THE SLUG · 10-11-2011, 08:34 PM

Should be interesting to see how this turns out, I will be watching. And I want a wagon like the one from the Big M ad. Something you can have fun in

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 08:40 PM

^^^ I'll draw the perfect car
Looking forward to it all myself. Will begin in the next 3 days.
Thanks everyone, suggestions so far have been great!

THE SLUG · 10-11-2011, 08:44 PM

You should base it on an XF like in the ad

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 08:52 PM

Nah, it'll be a FGII wagon, mudflaps, factory roof bar integrated into front bar as seen on some AU's, roof rack, bonnet and headlight protectors, other random accessory junk, parked in a gravel rest area, dirt down the side, bugs on the front, people under a shaded shelter in the background eating or something, on a road trip.

THE SLUG · 10-11-2011, 08:53 PM

Alright, that sounds pretty sick

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 08:55 PM

Hopefully you'll think so when I finish it.
Whole project will probably take me a few weeks though.

THE SLUG · 10-11-2011, 08:59 PM

Meh, I can wait

OffRoadFalcon · 10-11-2011, 09:03 PM

Hopefully the wait will be worth it.

prydey · 10-11-2011, 10:27 PM

not sure why you seem to be insisting upon a bull bar/smart bar of sorts. i'd give that a miss.

OffRoadFalcon · 11-11-2011, 10:06 AM

It will only be on that version, most of the other designs of the different models will not have a bar. Reason I wan't to make a bull bar, because I've grown to love the one the family AUII has, and I want to see if I can make one look as good or better on a FGII wagon. Maybe I'm just weird. But I dont care.

NX74205 · 11-11-2011, 01:50 PM

Perhaps you can draw some design inspiration from the Focus wagon and the Mondeo wagon. That way, there'll be a clear "Ford" style to the rear end, and they aren't exactly sportwagons either - despite the curvature of the side rear glass, the rear compartment is actually quite square.

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-Foc...1_photo_08.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-Mon...1_photo_08.jpg

Scale up those designs and you've got yourself a good looking Falcon wagon.

OffRoadFalcon · 11-11-2011, 03:30 PM

Awesome idea. I quite like the shape of the rear of the Mondeo. Make it a bit bigger and longer, to suit the Falcon, I reckon we'd have something.
I can see this ending up looking pretty good, whilst keeping the big cargo area.

Thanks!

OffRoadFalcon · 23-11-2011, 08:15 PM

Righto! I have begun! I have a basic outline of the front of the FGII, takes ages to get the proportions right, and will most likely require more. I started on Saturday, did a bit on monday too, didnt get time on Sunday or Tues, and today my new 0.3mm pencil arrived at the local art store. Much much better. I want it to be very detailed, and so far I'm liking the 0.3. Almost looks half the size of the 0.5.

I'm drawing on A3 size paper, I've always done it on A4 before. Can't photocopy the A3 paper on our photocopier, so I'll have to do those at the library in town. No worries. I'll post updates and pics of progress as I go along in a new thread. Any suggestions what section it'd be best to put it in? I reckon the Pub is still ok.