GM have about 100 days to go??

[burnz]

what i want to know is if GM corp goes under what happen to holden??
broken up sold off, gov buy out, ford buy out??

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

You need to pay more Attention to what I Have Written on Previous Posts in this Thread & then Maybe you will get it & be able to answer your Own Questions, seems you read but do not Understand

Yeah I am a Commo Because I think Wealthy people should not Profit at the Expense of Poorer People.

Or that as Australian Citizens we should Support our Country & our Industry.

Maybe you were not even Born here my friend.

I WAS born here, not that it should matter, and im as patriotic as they get, proudly Australian, and will support Australian industry where ever possible.
I simply believe ANYONE should be able to profit from hard work, smart thinking or just a lucky break.. i for one will not turn my back on a good opportunity to get ahead just so someone "less fortunate" by your definition might get a go instead.. If they want it bad enough they'll beat me to it.
Maybe you should change your user name to "Robin Hood"..

[bob 351]

maybe a solution to the car industry problem in australia is to limit the amount of imported cars coming into the country i know there will be those that will disagree with me but if somebody wants a japanese or european car they should get it imported not flood the market with cheaper import's
how many more car companys can australia sustain i would hate to count the amount that are already here with more to come what hope have ford or holden got to suvive in this market

[ltd]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I WAS born here, not that it should matter, and im as patriotic as they get, proudly Australian, and will support Australian industry where ever possible.
I simply believe ANYONE should be able to profit from hard work, smart thinking or just a lucky break.. i for one will not turn my back on a good opportunity to get ahead just so someone "less fortunate" by your definition might get a go instead.. If they want it bad enough they'll beat me to it.
Maybe you should change your user name to "Robin Hood"..

I agree 100%.
We already have a welfare mentality whereby millions are now claiming welfare of one kind, and we now have over 30% of the population who pay no tax. How is this fair? Why is it that those who are happy to sit there and receive handouts should be routinely rewarded (child christmas bonus anyone?) whilst others who sacrifice their time, energy etc are forced to pay more for the lazier ones receive nothing as an incentive? Why should the bogans, shackas and other troglodytes that spend all their money on the pokies, cigarettes, booze, drugs etc be propped up by those who are trying to build a life for themselves?
Communism/socialism has failed everywhere and is counter productive; we should not be encouraging it nor shall we be encouraging those who can least support it to have babies. (Dumbest piece of legislation from Costello) as it is being rorted by the bogans.
Communism is essentially an Oedipul need which can be traced back to ones childhood; not necessarily a good thing to admit.

As for GM, the Democrats in the USA have been lobbying Bush to help the auto industry out again, now they are in federally we can expect to see them help GM and Chrysler with the merger.

[4Vman]

Id like to see LCT abolished on Australian built cars and stamp duty applied on a pro rata basis dependent on what percentage of the car is local part content/manufacture.

[irlewy86]

OH&S - Its been proven that a safe workplace is much more productive than an unsafe one. Imagine training an electrician every 4 years only to have them fry themselves. The lower labour cost countries will eventually follow this route as well

Capped earnings - Pointless to say the less. A stronger ACCC and its likes and the prevention of market monopolisation will be more effectual than micro managing individual organisations earnings.

Communisim - Simple communisim is still the most effectual political idealogy on earth. However complex or true communisim is the worst political idealogy. If you're going to pay the floor workers holiday, sick leave, maternity leave etc. the big end is going to get million dollar bonuses its a two way street.

What has this all to do with GM falling over? I'm not sure.

I thought it was;
Oil prices
Credit problems
The slow down of the US ecconomy

[Xplode0185]

hopefully they just merge with chrysler

[Xplode0185]

this place is like prison now why dont barra and sourbastard get of ya high horses and let people have there full say im sure it wasnt that bad this place has been so dull since the big break up with the eserise guys

[Buddy 1]

Below is a Post I made to which 4vman responded calling me or my Ideas Communist.
At no time was anything I Have said pointed to or Supported this.
It is at best a misrepresentation of what I Said & at Worst slander on my person.
Then a few others who again do not read all the Posts or understand them start to go on about Communism which is not the Point of what I said at all.
I even explained this in another post for the really Simple people but it does not seem to have helped.

I Just want a Fair go for Low paid Workers (Poorer People) & do not think it is fair that People who Have Money to Invest want More & More & do not care how it affects the General Community as long as they themselves make Lots of Profit.

I also never mentioned People on Welfare although Many of them do it Tough as well & they are not all Bludgers either.

Lastly I mentioned we should Buy Australian to support our Country & again not just think about Ourselves but Our Country as a whole.

Some of you may have been Born here however are not Fair Dinkum supporters of Australia while you save a few $$$ & Buy Cheap Imports.

When Holden & Ford remove themselves totally from this Country & Manufacture overseas or even Import 100% of Vehicles it will be Many of you on this Forum & others like it who work either for Ford or Holden or the many other parts suppliers who will be crying hard done by.

Time will prove me right if you keep thinking of yourselves & Buying Imports.

End of rant in this Thread, Good Luck.


Caveat emptor




Originally Posted by Buddy 1
Yes from a Shareholders perspective they again want More Dividends (Money) however what about the non Shareholders who as a result get to pay High Interest rates or Bank Fees or indeed Higher Prices for Goods or Services all because the Shareholders want to increase their Wealth.

It should not be 1 group benifets at the Expense of another.

Many struggle just to put food on the Table & will never be well of enough to invest in shares or anything else for that matter, should they suffer so the Wealthy can have increased Profit?



4Vman
Welcome to democracy and a "free world".. everyone has a choice and a chance, what you make of it is up to you.
The ideology of "shared wealth", that there should be no wealthy or poor is the cornerstone of a communist society... Where everyone drives the same car, has the same house.... where working a bit harder or being a bit smarter goes without reward..

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Below is a Post I made to which 4vman responded calling me or my Ideas Communist.
At no time was anything I Have said pointed to or Supported this.
..

Ok.. so what about this:

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Yeah I am a Commo, Because I think Wealthy people should not Profit at the Expense of Poorer People.

Or that as Australian Citizens we should Support our Country & our Industry.

Maybe you were not even Born here my friend.

Then this:

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

And I am not saying we should all be Communist however somewhere in the Middle between what we Have now as a System & Communism may just be a more Fair way to be.

Sounds like you're a bit confused about what you believe?

Show me where i accused you of being a communist? all i did was point out the ideology of your views... yet its ok for you challenge my place of birth, loyalty to australia and level of compassion towards others? :

[Steve]

Originally Posted by burnz

what i want to know is if GM corp goes under what happen to holden??
broken up sold off, gov buy out, ford buy out??

I think a merger/buyout between FOA & GMH wouldn't be such a bad thing but it'd be more likely that a Japanese manufacturer would get involved. Perhaps Toyota. Could you imagine what the new HSV Avalon would be like?

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Steve

I think a merger/buyout between FOA & GMH wouldn't be such a bad thing

it has potential, because apart from my evil thoughts that there would be no more holdens as such - it could mean although less options (similar to the camaro/firebird deal) with big cars, it could stamp out millions of dollars of development to make the virtually same car anyway. if the same amount of people buy the merged car, the brand can only get stronger and more people will keep their jobs

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

And Our Product is as good in general just that many are not smart enough to figure it out.

Is it? Too heavy, too thirsty, in a time when petrol is becoming too expensive.

What have Ford/Holden done to address this? By releasing heavier and less economical cars. Oh, and importing rebadged Korean cars that cost more than their direct rivals.

in many cases we do & we should if we are True Aussies who care about Our Country & not just Ourselves.

If the government said they wanted to raise your taxes to hand over to local business, would happily accept that?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I Just want a Fair go for Low paid Workers (Poorer People)

42% of families pay no net tax, thats fair? And in what other country can you earn as much driving a forklift stacking pallets, as you can as a scientist with a PhD?

[Sprint XR8]

Originally Posted by Steve

I think a merger/buyout between FOA & GMH wouldn't be such a bad thing but it'd be more likely that a Japanese manufacturer would get involved. Perhaps Toyota. Could you imagine what the new HSV Avalon would be like?

Neither Ford or Toyota would be interested, both already have australian plants operating below capacity. By now GMNA would have already stripped Holden of any remaining cash reserves.
When GMNA run out of cash next quarter and start running on US gov bailout money it will only be able to be spent in the US to save US jobs. It will be up to the Australian government to decide if they want to bailout Holden to save Australian jobs.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by b0son

42% of families pay no net tax, thats fair? And in what other country can you earn as much driving a forklift stacking pallets, as you can as a scientist with a PhD?

I think you'll find thats because we have a regressive taxation system. Bit exaggerated to say someone on 40k gross is earning the same as a PhD holder?

[crYnOid]

What hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that Ford is in just as much trouble as GM. It’s just that GM will hit the wall first...

ATM, GM will run out of money between december 08 (worst case) of feb 09 (best case). Ford will run out around sep-oct 09.

The US gov. has promised a $25m loan to the US auto makers but it will take between 12-18 months for the auto makers to get the money. Too late for both GM and Ford which is why they are both seeking money asap.

As for the future for GM, the best and worst thing they could do is declare Chp11 bankruptcy. If GM declare bankruptcy it would then be able to sell Buick to the Chinese, kill pontiac, kick saab out of the US and possibly sell it, sell hummer, merge GMC with Chev, kill saturn and close up dealers relatively pain free. This would leave chev and caddy and a much more focused product system.

But would you buy an expensive product from a company that is bankrupt and may not honour the warranty?

So for GM they are trying desperately to survive as is, it isn't the best thing for the company, but their sales wont be completely destroyed as they expect they will if they declare bankruptcy.

As for Holden? Job cuts maybe, but as GM's primary Australian arm, unless GM withdraws from Australia completely, they should go on like normal.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

Bit exaggerated to say someone on 40k gross is earning the same as a PhD holder?

Get the forklift driver working the same hours expected of the scientist... with penalty rates and allowances, the forklift driver gets almost the same pay. No wonder so many people arent bothering getting any skills.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by Xplode0185

this place is like prison now why dont barra and sourbastard get of ya high horses and let people have there full say im sure it wasnt that bad this place has been so dull since the big break up with the eserise guys

Your full say doesnt include rascist slurs. But please, try my patience, my high horse has a ban stick in the saddle bag.

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy 1
Below is a Post I made to which 4vman responded calling me or my Ideas Communist.
At no time was anything I Have said pointed to or Supported this.
..


Ok.. so what about this:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy 1
Yeah I am a Commo, Because I think Wealthy people should not Profit at the Expense of Poorer People.

Or that as Australian Citizens we should Support our Country & our Industry.



Then this:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy 1

And I am not saying we should all be Communist however somewhere in the Middle between what we Have now as a System & Communism may just be a more Fair way to be.




Sounds like you're a bit confused about what you believe?

The Examples you gave all align me to the Same Ideals & do not Differ from One Another :

When I said I was a Commo it was in a Sarcastic manner showing that in your eyes I am a Commo because of the Things I believe in which are not Commo at all, just a bit more Fair is all, however you did not get it AGAIN

And then you show where I say to be halfway between a Communist & Democratic Society (as far as Wage Structure) would be the way to go & again this shows I was not supporting Communism & again is in the same vein as all my other Comments & you think they Conflct each other

You are not the Smartest apple on the Tree are you?

[SpoolMan]

Reading this thread, 1/2 the content has nothing to with the thread topic.
I suggest you guys who want to discuss politics finish your side battles via PM.

As for the racist remarks, I have no problem with members being banned for posting racist rubbish we don't want this crap here.

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Originally Posted by Xplode0185

this place is like prison now why dont barra and sourbastard get of ya high horses and let people have there full say im sure it wasnt that bad this place has been so dull since the big break up with the eserise guys

I am surprised your still here or were you chained to the door, I suggest you take you views to bogan.com.au

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by Xplode0185

this place is like prison now why dont barra and sourbastard get of ya high horses and let people have there full say im sure it wasnt that bad this place has been so dull since the big break up with the eserise guys

You racist pig, what? you think we wouldnt work out you started another account to dribble your pathetic little racists slurs..

Both accounts banned and I hope one days your testicles drop and you become a man, till then your a low life racist scum :