Another fatality - Page 3

sfr rob · 10-12-2007, 02:55 PM

I drove past this accident site today. I was so angry about what this moron has done to his mates and all the families and friends involved. It would have been great if the driver survived and had to live the rest of his pathetic life reminded every day that he wiped out a car load of his mates.
The skid marks and the way they swoop around looks like the car became 'light' over a bump ( worst part of that freeway in vic ) locked up and wrapped the car around the tree. It was dreadful driving past the scene, the smell bad and knowing what happened almost turned my guts inside out.

sfr rob · 10-12-2007, 03:06 PM

take a look down the bottom of the page. click the "CONTACT US" link, i am sure they will sort your problems out.

Buddy 1 · 10-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Yes this is very Sad for all concerned & in this case was the cars Fault (as far as we know) however just last week I think it was a young guy changing a wheel on a supra well off the road was hit & killed by a Truck Driver who swerved off the road (fell asleep or drugged up) & was nothing on here condeming the Truck driver who was involved

: yet when it is not the Truck Drivers fault many express sympathy for the Truck driver.

All seems one sided to me as many accidents involving trucks killing car drivers are the Truck drivers fault.

Yes in this case what could he do but survive & then live with it though he knows he did not cause it at least.

Sympathy for all involved in this one & Hope they Hunt that %$#@%^ truck driver who killed that young guy & did not even stop!!!!!!

fordfuntastic · 10-12-2007, 03:49 PM

I feel sorry for that poor truck driver. So sad that he had to see all that disfigurement and turmoil of those poor victims. That will have impacted on him for a long time seeing such horrific injuries. Does one have to identify the bodies? That would be gorry. Wouldnt it have been nice if they werent speeding? Or gone a bit slower. I guess it will never happen to reduce by 5 kms.

cuz · 10-12-2007, 03:59 PM

Yeah, not nice to be first on the scene of any motor accident, let alone one this horrific.
I have a good mate who never drove trucks again after being first on the scene of a multiple fatality outside Auckland years ago. Messed him up real bad.

Makes me wonder how it would have been for the families to see it just after it occured. I can't imaginge having that as the last thought of my children...

Laminge · 10-12-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fordfuntastic

I feel sorry for that poor truck driver. So sad that he had to see all that disfigurement and turmoil of those poor victims. That will have impacted on him for a long time seeing such horrific injuries. Does one have to identify the bodies? That would be gorry. Wouldnt it have been nice if they werent speeding? Or gone a bit slower. I guess it will never happen to reduce by 5 kms.

A bit different to the pm I just received from you

Bye Bye

XRNIL8 · 10-12-2007, 04:31 PM

I would like to share something with you all about this kinda stuff ... actually, 2 things ...

1. Quite a few years back, I used to work in Operating Theatres at a busy hospital. One arvo shift we had a young mother of 2 come in after having a head on with aPolice car .... was a bad stretch of road and the position of the sun made it an easy place to have an accident (I know, I used to drive it daily). This lady came in and we had to continue with resusitation throughout the surgery, meaning I was basically massaging her heart ...... by hand whilst the surgeon was looking for the leak! Turned out she had torn the Aorta from the heart and she was soon pronounced as being deceased. Not an easy thing for us at the time, because we were also informed that she had 2 kids waiting for her at home ... When the Police officer came in, she was absolutely the worst piece of rubbish I had ever come across .... Now I have a LOT of respect for Police, because theirs is THE most thankless job and god knows there would be a lot of people that would not be here if it were not for Police doing their jobs. But this particular one made comment about her "atleast" wearing a seat belt ..... the car the Police were in had air bags ... so they had very minor injuries. Suffice to say that the words that actually came out of her mouth were not appropriate for here and especially not in Theatre where we had tried to save her. She was soon walking quite quickly backwards with me yelling abuse loudly and without prejudice! When the boss asked me why I had gone off, she was glad I had got in and defended this poor woman, cause if it had have been her, my boss was more likely to have dropped her!

2. Yesterday whilst returning from a trip to Adelaide (we were not yet out of there when an old fool behind us became impatient with the slowing traffic, so decided to hit the inside of the road and at the last minute, noticed why we were all slowing ... RED LIGHT! There was a lady crossing the road and it was nothing more than pure luck that this silly old toss didn't take her out ... he completely crossed over the pedestrian crossing lines .... He DIDN'T even get out and make sure the woman was OK ....... Some people just should not hold a licence or drive an vehicle!

cuz · 10-12-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

You're pm is up for a short time to show the public the type of person we deal with on a regular basis.

I do feel sorry for you moderators at times like this. Having to deal with people like this on a daily basis and especially with such a sensitive topic as this.
What is the world coming to... I mean just look at his spelling!!!

sfr rob · 10-12-2007, 04:41 PM

hahahaha i knew that would "help" him out!

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SB076 · 10-12-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It seems you did, lot of good it did you too mate....

You're pm is up for a short time to show the public the type of person we deal with on a regular basis.

Sorry to see you having to put up with rubbish like that. Hopefully however this thread will slow someone down and prevent a re-occurence of this tragic event

4Vman · 10-12-2007, 05:05 PM

Latest news:

ROAD safety campaigners are demanding P-plate drivers be banned from carrying carloads of youngsters after the fireball crash deaths of four teens.

The four young men were incinerated on Sunday evening when their car - believed to be travelling at around 160kmh - skidded into a tree on the West Gate Freeway.

Dave_au · 10-12-2007, 05:06 PM

Could the mods please sanitise the thread, the focus has somewhat moved from whats being discussed.

Thanks.

Interceptor · 10-12-2007, 09:15 PM

it amazes me that people are still pushing for more restrictions, wether it be speed limits, power, type of car, passengers, etc

how often are people killed in situations where more than one law designed to reduce the road toll is deliberately ignored?

any new restrictions, and the majority of older ones will do diddly to reduce the road toll in instances like this, what needs to be done is to better educate drivers, and deal with the poor attitude of a LOT of drivers, both young and old

FTGAutosalvage · 10-12-2007, 09:21 PM

I see too much of this sort of thing, As a buyer of damaged cars i have to watch the stock of every auction house in the county and some of the cars I have seen would scare the life out of any P plater.
Years ago i made my 18yr old brother dismantle a XF falcon that had been cut in 2 by a tree. I was trying to scare him into slowing down.

I know a lot of people would disagree and i know there are ways around them but I cant see why we need cars that go 280kmph on our roads. I think that ADR's should be changed and ALL new cars should be speed limited to 130kmph. this is the fastest you can legally go in this country. If you want to race it do it on a track with the speed limiter disconnected. If you get caught without the speed limiter working , simple , you loose the car.
We need rules written by politicians with balls.

4Vman · 10-12-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

it amazes me that people are still pushing for more restrictions, wether it be speed limits, power, type of car, passengers, etc

how often are people killed in situations where more than one law designed to reduce the road toll is deliberately ignored?

any new restrictions, and the majority of older ones will do diddly to reduce the road toll in instances like this, what needs to be done is to better educate drivers, and deal with the poor attitude of a LOT of drivers, both young and old

I think the law makers have given up on trying to educate some people.. the message isnt working, IMO extra education isnt the answer... you can throw all the education and driver training at some people and it won't mean squat if they choose to ignore it.
Tougher laws allow the Police to harshly penalise and punish people who break them... hopefully before they harm themselves or others.
Hopefully financial penalties and severe punishments are a deterrent.
Physically stopping them is the next best thing i guess.. obviously telling them its dangerous or showing them how to drive doesnt work.

Feathers · 10-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Did anyone see on Medical Emergency, the survivor of the original crash the thread was about?
It was only a few weeks ago. They followed his story from a few months/a year after the crash, and how he's still dealing with the consequences.

He damaged the discs in his back and had to have surgery to fuse them and screw plates in to hold them still, or he would have ended up paralysed.

fmc351 · 10-12-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

it amazes me that people are still pushing for more restrictions, wether it be speed limits, power, type of car, passengers, etc

how often are people killed in situations where more than one law designed to reduce the road toll is deliberately ignored?

any new restrictions, and the majority of older ones will do diddly to reduce the road toll in instances like this, what needs to be done is to better educate drivers, and deal with the poor attitude of a LOT of drivers, both young and old

Youre looking at it from the wrong perspective. If the law said no more than 1 passenger after 'x' time of night, and the car was pulled up due to having extra passengers before the accident, it would indeed save those few lives.

Its only if they dont get seen they wont prevent things. But the law does not provide guarantees, it merely endeavors to minimise incidents.

Its a sad pointless waste of lives due to ignorance, apathy and superman mentality. Unfortunately its not simply the Darwinian driver who pays. Thats without even considering all the lives that are left here to deal with the aftermath.

Interceptor · 11-12-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Its only if they dont get seen they wont prevent things. But the law does not provide guarantees, it merely endeavors to minimise incidents.

bingo, all the laws on earth wone stop them if they dont get caught

while the drivers who do such stupid acts on the roads think they can get away with it, the deaths WILL continue, and untill the drivers attitudes are changed, nothing will change, laws only prevent a miniscule number of deaths, attitudes of the people need to be change

EBII Fairmont · 11-12-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think the law makers have given up on trying to educate some people.. the message isnt working, IMO extra education isnt the answer... you can throw all the education and driver training at some people and it won't mean squat if they choose to ignore it.
Tougher laws allow the Police to harshly penalise and punish people who break them... hopefully before they harm themselves or others.
Hopefully financial penalties and severe punishments are a deterrent.
Physically stopping them is the next best thing i guess.. obviously telling them its dangerous or showing them how to drive doesnt work.

But will these law changes seriously help? I believe the same thing will be happening. Instead of 5 guys in one car egging on the driver, there will be 3 cars with all 3 drivers still being stupid. It's a problem that is just not an easy fix. As much as you hammer it into someone that what they are doing can be potentially hurt someone, it will not be realised by that person until the accident happens. I guess its just human nature to shrug all off all advise until you are put in the hot seat. Quite sad considering lives are being ruined over something so stupid.

Tuddy200 · 11-12-2007, 01:41 PM

I was listening to Seven News last night and they started the story off about driver education and I thought "Wow, they have reliesed what needs to be done.." but then they just went on to P Plater bashing saying more passenger restrictions are needed.

Which may work except:
You have 3 extra cars on the road being stupid OR you have 3 extra drivers on the road who may be drunk because there appointed driver for the night isn't allowed to have the three of them.

Taxi prices are through the roof. They need something that will change the attidude of ALL DRIVERS!!! that isn't TV or Radio because m personally and most drivers we hardly listen to ads on TV or radio.

I'm over hearing that P platers are the worst on the road, I see many more big headed small d&ck nuckle head 30-40 year old blokes that can't wait until there home for a case of beer and are drunk driving all over the road OR these so called busy females that can't wait til they get home to do thier make up or doing 30kms over the limit wih there children in the car.

But, doesn't matter P Platers not represented in goverment because the politcians are all old and hypocrites and are just out to please all you other P Plate bashers!

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cuz · 11-12-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

bingo, all the laws on earth wone stop them if they dont get caught

while the drivers who do such stupid acts on the roads think they can get away with it, the deaths WILL continue, and untill the drivers attitudes are changed, nothing will change, laws only prevent a miniscule number of deaths, attitudes of the people need to be change

Thats true but how will bringing in passenger restrictions not help?
Lets put it like this: How hard would it have been to educate people on the importance of wearing a seatbelt if it wasn't a law?

I still can't see why people, such as yourself, are still against passenger limits.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, please explain it to me because a crash like this one only makes me think how right I am.

theunfairadvant · 11-12-2007, 02:38 PM

I see about 80 ppl using the phone while driving within an hr,
while sitting in a cafe in Burwood rd.

sleekism · 11-12-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cuz351

Thats true but how will bringing in passenger restrictions not help?
Lets put it like this: How hard would it have been to educate people on the importance of wearing a seatbelt if it wasn't a law?

I still can't see why people, such as yourself, are still against passenger limits.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, please explain it to me because a crash like this one only makes me think how right I am.

Well by law I don't HAVE to wear body armour when riding my motorbike but I sure as hell do.

I don't HAVE to wear a condom but I sure as hell do.

I don't HAVE to do 70 kays on really bad roads I can legally do a 100kays but I sure as hell slow down.

The problem is that you are taught to obey tha law and not how to drive.
There should be more in depth. People are simply taught that when they press X pedal Y happens. They are not taught that if they are not careful X could equal many things.

When I got my commercial boat licence in the military it took a FULL WEEk. I wasn't just taught how to drive we had to pull apart the engine etc. When I got my full motorbike licence I had to two weekend courses.

Introduce Driver Training like they have for bikes.

Fast and The Furious should also take some blame with all the tricks they pull. They don't tell kids they have some 20 of each car so they can do all the tricks.

It's not just young peole either. Some 40 year crahed their Holden Vectra trying to drift after watching Tokyo drift

cuz · 11-12-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Well by law I don't HAVE to wear body armour when riding my motorbike but I sure as hell do.

I don't HAVE to wear a condom but I sure as hell do.

I don't HAVE to do 70 kays on really bad roads I can legally do a 100kays but I sure as hell slow down.

The problem is that you are taught to obey tha law and not how to drive.
There should be more in depth. People are simply taught that when they press X pedal Y happens. They are not taught that if they are not careful X could equal many things.

When I got my commercial boat licence in the military it took a FULL WEEk. I wasn't just taught how to drive we had to pull apart the engine etc. When I got my full motorbike licence I had to two weekend courses.

Introduce Driver Training like they have for bikes.

Fast and The Furious should also take some blame with all the tricks they pull. They don't tell kids they have some 20 of each car so they can do all the tricks.

It's not just young peole either. Some 40 year crahed their Holden Vectra trying to drift after watching Tokyo drift

Very good. Be proud of the fact that you were born with common sense, I personally think that its been 'bred' out of people these days.

I agree that driver training and education should be foremost on the list of to do items. Maybe if there was more education on offer or in fact made compulsory, this type of accident wouldn't occur.

bob^ · 11-12-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

How would they have felt if they HAD killed someone? Would they even be able to comprehend the feeling of getting out of their car after hitting someone, and seeing a squashed kid or something? Unfortuntely, no. They wont understand until they experience it - and its too late for them, and the people they hit.

But it will never happen to them...whilst they think they are invincible.

VSSII · 11-12-2007, 06:37 PM

Sure, you can have a go at educating kids when they get their wings but for anyone else it's just another cop out excuse to shirk responsibility for their actions. Even the most illiterate fool knows what happens when you travel too fast.

LTDHO · 11-12-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Latest news:
ROAD safety campaigners are demanding P-plate drivers be banned from carrying carloads of youngsters.

Yeah - all I can see is more racing. 4 people in 1 car will now be 2 people in 2 cars - more racing...

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Originally Posted by FTGAutosalvage

I see too much of this sort of thing, As a buyer of damaged cars i have to watch the stock of every auction house in the county and some of the cars I have seen would scare the life out of any P plater.

I see them before they are hosed out for sale.

4Vman · 11-12-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VSSII

Sure, you can have a go at educating kids when they get their wings but for anyone else it's just another cop out excuse to shirk responsibility for their actions. Even the most illiterate fool knows what happens when you travel too fast.

That is my point.. you can throw all the education and driver training at some people and it wont make any difference, even the most simplest of cretins with a licence knows what's dangerous and what isnt, its weather they choose to do it and how much collateral damage they end up doing that's the variable here...
In this instance how would driver training have avoided this incident? Look at the car for starters... HSV rims on the front and 15" stock interceptor rims on the back... then travel at 60 over the limit (and 60 faster than everyone else) swerving in and out of traffic with an extra 250+ kg's in the car in the way of passengers... all it takes is someone to change lanes in front of you without anticipating the massive speed differential between both vehicles.. it was a recipe for disaster.
You can't tell me that driver didnt know the risks involved, its plastered all over the press constantly... he just thought he knew better and "it wouldnt happen to him" with his mates probably egging him on.