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[JPFS1]

Phatwagon

Can you tell me what Holden/HSV are doing to oversome the extra weight for VE? Have they been able to achieve on par performance and handling with VE compared to current commodores?

With your little comparison of saved weight between VT1 and VT2, i know that simple throttle position calibrations were made, these alone provide a WHOLE different launch feel.. i thought you'd know this??? Do you actually know the official difference in weight between the two?

[melon466]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

yes, it is, i suppose. i will have a look for some more solid evidence over the weekend and post it up

Solid evidence of what, that the cruddie handles better then the GT, says who? It all comes down to personal choice, if i think the GT handles better that's what i'll buy, i'm the one who's driving it F**K other peoples opinions and evidence,buy what you like driving better!

Originally Posted by JEM

With your little comparison of saved weight between VT1 and VT2, i know that simple throttle position calibrations were made, these alone provide a WHOLE different launch feel.. i thought you'd know this??? Do you actually know the official difference in weight between the two?

there is stuff all difference with the TPC... i was mainly referring to cornering as well...

Originally Posted by JEM

Can you tell me what Holden/HSV are doing to oversome the extra weight for VE? Have they been able to achieve on par performance and handling with VE compared to current commodores?

i dont think im in a position at this stage to comment on that - i could lose my job if i reveal ANY information like that. :

ohh, heres a section of a reveiw i did find...

from: "The Australian" in a comparision between the 245kw VY SS and the 260kw BA XR8...

...and from where we're sitting, the XR8's extra 200kg makes it feel no quicker off the mark, or in quick spurts between bends, thans the SS

i will keep looking...

Originally Posted by melon466

Solid evidence of what, that the cruddie handles better then the GT, says who? It all comes down to personal choice, if i think the GT handles better that's what i'll buy, i'm the one who's driving it F**K other peoples opinions and evidence,buy what you like driving better!

that was informative - Mr Melon...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

you can easily feel, when driving both a VY clubby and a BA GT that the clubby handles a LOT better. overall, it feels MUCH quicker and easier to hang onto... yes, i agree with what you said about the positioning of the weight and one reason the GT feels 'heavier' is because of its relatively high centre of gravity, especially for the type of car that it is.

i work in the engineering industry for holden, more specifically, HSV, and i can tell you right now, that the weight of the BA's plays a MAJOR role in how well the car does actually go. yes, obviously im going to be biased towards the red and white team, but if you have the chance to compare both cars side by side you will realise the differences are very notible, and the cause.

Ok you have convinced me....

Clubby is faster than GT
Clubby handles better than GT
Clubby is heeps more fully sick that GT
Clubby is better than GT

I am really sure this is true because I see the huge stocks and gross discounting of Clubbys at all the HSV shops. $10k ++++
(gotta be volume discounting or something, maybe they are cheaper in sixpaks or something)

So now you have convinced me only 19,999,999 more aussies to go.....

[JPFS1]

Phatwagon

There's no need to quote articles, we all know the fundamental differences that contribute to the way the cars feel. Even if the weight between the cars were closer, it's still likely that there would be differing feel, considering the other fundamental differences.. i.e gearing, diff ratio, tyres etc... the point is, the cars are always going to differ, there for there will always be a preference to one or the other for personal reasons and preferences. There's no need to justify your opinion, because we all have one that we could easily justify also!

Originally Posted by tx3dude

anyone feel free to ban me or whatever... but dude, you are a TOOL. It sounds to me like youve come on here just to stir rather than say anything constructive. do everyone on here a favour and **** off.

"I" come on here to cause trouble? i make one comment that the BA/BF's are heavy, and i get flamed at... seems kind of childish to argue back against the facts and my beliefs.

since you dont particulary care about being banned, i reported you, for breaking the forum rules.

[4Vman]

Ive got some questions for Phatwagon seeing you've been kind enough to identify yourself and grace us with your insightful comments,
Firstly:
After the debarcle of the piston slap rattley LS1, What are HSV doing to over come the burn't out exhaust valve issue that so many customers are complaining about with LS2?
Why do 297kw LS2's struggle to make similar power to the LS1's and Boss 290's on dyno's?

[melon466]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

that was informative - Mr Melon...

i wasn't trying to be informative, i was hoping you'd get the message. go somewhere else with your holden this holden that crap, no one wants to hear, if we did we'd go to a holden forum!!!!!!!

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

What are HSV doing to over come the burn't out exhaust valve issue that so many customers are complaining about with LS2?

That's not true. It was only a rumour that started on these forums.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

That's not true. It was only a rumour that started on these forums.

It is true, my neighbour has already had the heads off his LS2 after 15,000 k's, he said the dealer had 3 cars in that week all with low compression.

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

It is true, my neighbour has already had the heads off his LS2 after 15,000 k's, he said the dealer had 3 cars in that week all with low compression.

That's funny. The LS2 head is interchangeable with the LS6. No problems with the LS6 heads. I even posed the question on the US forums some time back... even checked with various sources... as a future customer. ;)

Negative.

[T3rminator]

I thought this forum got over the "attack posters who have a neg view" syndrome...
We were presented with an image of the new model with limited description....this is a free forum and we retain the right to pass an opinion....pos or neg.
I don't think Phatwagon's initial comment was that out of line...but when the attacks started you now get a slagging LS1/LS2 vs BOSS match...grrrrr.

Back on the BF....

Originally Posted by 4Vman

the BAGT is a damn quick car in its own right, if rumour is correct the BFGT should be quicker with shock horror the same weight and power!, so again is total weight REALLY an issue?

What are the numbers that these rumours are indicating? Are we looking at mid 13s? If so then that is one seriously quick factory performance car and I refuse to believe it is 290kw.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

That's funny. The LS2 head is interchangeable with the LS6. No problems with the LS6 heads. I even posed the question on the US forums some time back... even checked with various sources... as a future customer. ;)

Negative.

I didnt expect any Holden person to admitt to it! :hihi:

Anyway were getting off topic, sorry!

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by Phatwagon

compare the F6 typhoon with lets say a VY R8 for instance. the R8 has similar power, but no where near as much torque, yet the F6 is both slower in a straight line and through the twisty stuff, you have to ask yourself, why?

are you basing that on magazine times? A member of this forum posted a 13.2s run in a stock manual Typhoon ... (and yes, there's a timeslip)

I am looking forward to the 6 speed auto Typhoon, I personally think it will probably be the fastest vehicle out of the entire FPV range - will be interesting to see : (I think I remember something in the photos from the article about it being 'the best thing FPV have put together' or something like that ...)

I still say it's really just a BA MKIII :gren:

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by fullthrottle

I thought this forum got over the "attack posters who have a neg view" syndrome...
We were presented with an image of the new model with limited description....this is a free forum and we retain the right to pass an opinion....pos or neg.
I don't think Phatwagon's initial comment was that out of line...but when the attacks started you now get a slagging LS1/LS2 vs BOSS match...grrrrr.

Back on the BF....



What are the numbers that these rumours are indicating? Are we looking at mid 13s? If so then that is one seriously quick factory performance car and I refuse to believe it is 290kw.

BAGTMK2 already does a 13.8, the "alleged" changes that are listed on the FPV section will surely see 0.3 improvement based on what modified cars are getting with similar mods.
Damn quick in anyones language.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Ford_Falcon_XR6

are you basing that on magazine times? A member of this forum posted a 13.2s run in a stock manual Typhoon ... (and yes, there's a timeslip)

I am looking forward to the 6 speed auto Typhoon, I personally think it will probably be the fastest vehicle out of the entire FPV range - will be interesting to see :

Correct, if you drive the F6 like a V8 it will be slow, turbo's need a different launch approach.

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I didnt expect any Holden person to admitt to it! :hihi:

Anyway were getting off topic, sorry!

As I said, the rumours started here. I would have already heard about it well before the people on this forum as I frequent a lot of the US sites.

Anyway, the BF is a beauty, IMO. If you love the car, nothing stopping you parting with your money... The 6 spd auto is reason enough to buy one. It would make a super cruiser, no doubt.

I can't wait to get my hands on Motor mag... mainly for the scoop pics of the VE. :

[billyb35]

If you're a member of fordxr6turbo the pics are over there and also on that same forum

I don't mind the new typhoon. In black, it would be a dead ringer for darth vader.

The new phoon wheels are an odd colour? Or maybe its just the scan.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Could have went to the QLD BF dealer day yesturday but didn't as i was taken delivery of another new vehicle for a family member, but the boys who did go tell me the BA XR6 Turbo, anything with the 230 V8 and the XR8 absolutely FLY!

Even the new G8 is a fair bit more interesting to drive compared to the G220 im told thanks to the new six speed auto....

Good times ahead for those who want to upgrade, sad times ahead for dealers who have 300 BA's needed to be sold, coz they just won't sell once BF stories get around.

[CSV_LS1]

Playing in photoshop, the Typhoon looks mighty tough in white with the new 19's

[Dave_au]

The cars look a little better, but the changes look more like tweaks than revolutionary/evolutionary changes - fairly conservative, not wanting to offend whilst trying to win brownie points with enthusiasts.

Twin pipes and new 6 speed may add some more attraction, be interesting to find out if they outperform the BA GTs

Oh and the three magic words: Mid Corner Speed

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

Playing in photoshop, the Typhoon looks mighty tough in white with the new 19's

pls send the pics you have to xrqtor@gmail.com if ya feel up to it.

[Franky]

here's another topic on this subject ;)

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/in...howtopic=20627

[CSV_LS1]

You may see that link get removed. It's just like adding the pic itself.

[Franky]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

You may see that link get removed. It's just like adding the pic itself.

well it's a similar topic, for people who havn't seen the car don't look at the pics just read the opinons... it's super secret

[martO]

Finally I get to see it, I missed the first post. Back in july last year I saw the design for what seems to be the Typhoon front and rear bars. I only saw digital renders and I've wanted to show people what it would look like for so long but I signed legal contract and couldnt reproduce anything I had seen at FPV.

When I saw it the inserts were body coloured and not greyed out so maybe they decided to add that later on, and I knew the GT would have dual pipes as I had seen that aswell.

For me, I absolutely love the GT front bar and rear bars on both cars. The typhoon needs a number plate to really see what it will look like as it looks a tad odd, but nice none the less. The stripes on the GT are awesome aswell. The wheels on both cars are awesome, I've always loved the GT-P wheels and since the GT gets them and a few of its options, makes me wonder. Do you guys rekon there will be no more GT-P??.

martO

[marcosambrose]

FPV will always make sure the GT-P has some things people want that they cant get on the GT, like SAT-NAV etc. So its no problem, also they will make unique wheels for the GT-P and other small things like that to distinguish them apart.

Did anyone else here pick on the styling on the F6? the front bar intake is nearly identical to the Ford Iosis concept! love it!

[Steffo]

Who knows... maybe the P in GT-P will stand for "Performance" after all?

Lets speculate for a second - 320kW 550Nm GT-P anyone? :

[martO]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Who knows... maybe the P in GT-P will stand for "Performance" after all?

Lets speculate for a second - 320kW 550Nm GT-P anyone? :

Yeh lets hope so. But if they wanted to bring out a GTHO this would be the time, since it has a significance, being the the 25th anniversary since the GTHO won bathurst ( correct me if im wrong ).

Though that wont happen. I just hope that they can justify the value of a GT-P and maybe make it look and perform differently. Such as the 320kw and 550Nm that Steffo suggested.

EDIT: I just read that the GT-P will be getting 6 piston callipers, so in other words .. there will be a GT-P, along with the super pursuit, lets hope they look slightly different from the GT .

[FPV329]

Yeah I'll have one thanks.