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Old 30-05-2010, 09:32 PM   #181
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the reason why the american cars handled like boats could have something to do with the fact that their hero cars went around in a big circle

not around a goat track on the side of a mountan like ours
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Sorry to say a C3 Corvette would have flogged a P3 everywhere.
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I'd agree with that, 3.8l I6-twin 1.1/2 inch SU carbys-4spd man with Laycock-de Normanville o/d-lsd 3.77.
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Sorry to say a C3 Corvette would have flogged a P3 everywhere.
A 69 Stingray would probably be the only car I'd take over an XW/XY if we're talking cars between 69-71. Though, the Vettes were a genuine 2 door and not a huge sedan that couldn't be bothered making it easier to get into the back seat.
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Sorry to say a C3 Corvette would have flogged a P3 everywhere.
why be sorry - one is a sports car. the other is a family sedan made into the greatest car australia has produced
maybe others would have beaten it, but who really cares. the phase 3 can hold it's own against most vehicles of it's time - and it came from a little island down south that no one in the detroit had heard of - a pretty awesome achievement, similar in vain to dick's sierras and fred's gtr's being the quickest in the world. but instead of being proud of it, a lot here wish to put it down
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why be sorry - one is a sports car. the other is a family sedan made into the greatest car australia has produced
maybe others would have beaten it, but who really cares. the phase 3 can hold it's own against most vehicles of it's time - and it came from a little island down south that no one in the detroit had heard of - a pretty awesome achievement, similar in vain to dick's sierras and fred's gtr's being the quickest in the world. but instead of being proud of it, a lot here wish to put it down
Yes... Tall poppy syndrome or what??!! can anyone else come up with anymore irrelevant or obscure comparrisons that mean absolutely nothing to the topic?



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Nope.

I sill want one..P3 or P2
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why be sorry - one is a sports car. the other is a family sedan made into the greatest car australia has produced
maybe others would have beaten it, but who really cares. the phase 3 can hold it's own against most vehicles of it's time - and it came from a little island down south that no one in the detroit had heard of - a pretty awesome achievement, similar in vain to dick's sierras and fred's gtr's being the quickest in the world. but instead of being proud of it, a lot here wish to put it down
well said mate, and it is so true...
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ok heres something to stir the pot

1971 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Allan Moffat Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III 130 laps
6h 9m 49.5s
1972 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Peter Brock Holden LJ Torana GTR XU-1 130 laps
6h 0m 99.1s

that crappy little car did the same 130 laps but in much less time

how many breakdowns did the taxi have, or did holden cheat

my neighbour had an xu-1 with gear drive and cam and who know what else... aside from the fact it was narrow i didnt think it went through corners that great, and the acceleration wasnt anything special
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ok heres something to stir the pot

1971 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Allan Moffat Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III 130 laps
6h 9m 49.5s
1972 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Peter Brock Holden LJ Torana GTR XU-1 130 laps
6h 0m 99.1s

that crappy little car did the same 130 laps but in much less time

how many breakdowns did the taxi have, or did holden cheat

my neighbour had an xu-1 with gear drive and cam and who know what else... aside from the fact it was narrow i didnt think it went through corners that great, and the acceleration wasnt anything special
Maybe the fact that the xu1 is a lot lighter than the p3 has some grounding on the lap times....
Do you like and respect the P3 at all? It certainly should not be compared in any way to a taxi, you know.
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It certainly should not be compared in any way to a taxi, you know.
why not?

everyone calls my car a taxi


sorry P3 lovers
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Sorry to say a C3 Corvette would have flogged a P3 everywhere.
Is that the 4 door Corvette??

There was a copious amount of cars that would be faster, quicker, better, whatever produced around the world but at that time in history it has been recognized as the fastest 4 door then.

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why not?

everyone calls my car a taxi


sorry P3 lovers
P3=high output Cleveland V8, Detroit 9", upgraded brakes, serious race pedigree...couldn't be further from a taxi except in body shape.
G6Et, I shouldn't have to explain how that is very unlike a cab too.
Turbo engine, 6spd auto, amazing interior...body shape only is taxi similar. And a few obvious things.
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we had an XR not a xr6/8 but an xr many years ago

but i've always been a massive fan of pre 72 valiants

i respect the drivers of that era, not so much the cars anymore

they have all be come so stupidly overpriced its insane.
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Old 30-05-2010, 11:27 PM   #195
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The Ph3 wasn't a bad drift car in its day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdBQNEE1PSc

Lovin watchin them coming off the bowl onto the front straight

Adds nothing of relevance to the thread but .......
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ok heres something to stir the pot

1971 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Allan Moffat Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III 130 laps
6h 9m 49.5s
1972 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Peter Brock Holden LJ Torana GTR XU-1 130 laps
6h 0m 99.1s

that crappy little car did the same 130 laps but in much less time

how many breakdowns did the taxi have, or did holden cheat

my neighbour had an xu-1 with gear drive and cam and who know what else... aside from the fact it was narrow i didnt think it went through corners that great, and the acceleration wasnt anything special
What was the weather like?

What was the traffic like?

The 99 seconds is a bit confusing, are you sure you have the number right?

Either way 9 minutes in 6 hours is 0.25% not much of a variance.....
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What was the weather like?

What was the traffic like?

The 99 seconds is a bit confusing, are you sure you have the number right?

Either way 9 minutes in 6 hours is 0.25% not much of a variance.....

Apparently the number is correct, but it is confusing.

http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/bathurst_1972.htm

What's funny is Moffs P3 was 3 seconds quicker in qualifying. But as it was wet he spun, and got a 2 minute penalty for starting the car while refuling.
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brock also had a 1min penalty

i dunno

metric time? lol

drunk time keeper

still dont rate the torana, actually cant stand them!
who cares if they won i'd rather the 1200 datto
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What was the weather like?

What was the traffic like?

The 99 seconds is a bit confusing, are you sure you have the number right?

Either way 9 minutes in 6 hours is 0.25% not much of a variance.....
What he is Also forgetting is that the xu1 recorded those figures in 1972 not 1971, so no relevance, so to the fact that it's the top speed everyone should be focusing on, not lap times...
As you said flappist, 9mins in 6 hours is not much, any factors at the time could have made that discrepency.
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Is that the 4 door Corvette??

There was a copious amount of cars that would be faster, quicker, better, whatever produced around the world but at that time in history it has been recognized as the fastest 4 door then.

What is there to argue about really?
If you read the last page or so people we claiming not only was it the fastest 4 door, it was faster than the 2 door Yank stuff....
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ok heres something to stir the pot

1971 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Allan Moffat Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III 130 laps
6h 9m 49.5s
1972 Hardie-Ferodo 500 Peter Brock Holden LJ Torana GTR XU-1 130 laps
6h 0m 99.1s

that crappy little car did the same 130 laps but in much less time

how many breakdowns did the taxi have, or did holden cheat

my neighbour had an xu-1 with gear drive and cam and who know what else... aside from the fact it was narrow i didnt think it went through corners that great, and the acceleration wasnt anything special
In '72 they were no longer bound by the same rules; they were allowed more modifications.

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Still then an even greater victory for a tiny torana to beat an also modified falcon
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Still then an even greater victory for a tiny torana to beat an also modified falcon
Okay, one moment you were ignorant enough to compare 71's results to 72's results, but now you've decided to throw out the thread's topic, which is about PRODUCTION vehicles. Make up your mind.
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Andrewg6e, if in 1971 the cars are not modifiable, and in 1972 they are, then what comparison can you make..?
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A win is a win and yet even in modified form still did the same 130 laps in less time they were down a class and still performed better. Considerably slower top speed and acceleration. The handling option must have been ticked on the torana not the GT, and it was wet too. I might get me one of these miracle toranas.

As a side note I'd like to know how top speed was measured. As reported by mags of the time I'm sure it wasn't an accurate measurement of time over distance but just the speedometer. So intact 140 mph could have been 130 or even 150mph

not disputing it's claim to be fastest etc. But my 1971 pacer dash once read past the end of it's measurment and it wasn't as fast of a car as a HO

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I have consented to replying about the Bathurst races, but in all seriousness, the car in question, gtho p3, was the Fastest 4 door production car in the world IN 1971, and it was fastest due to it's TOP SPEED not due to it's Bathurst wins.
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A win is a win and yet even in modified form still did the same 130 laps in less time they were down a class and still performed better. Considerably slower top speed and acceleration. The handling option must have been ticked on the torana not the GT
Again, what does this have to do with thread topic, which is useless in itself, that, as a PRODUCTION vehicle, the Phase 3 was or was not the fastest 4 door at it's time?
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have a look at this chart, im not sure which of these is a 4 door sedan
they forgot the fairlane thunderbolt as elks mentioned in the list
11.61@124.8mph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fairlane_Thunderbolt
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