VFacts November 2013 - Page 6

stevz · 04-12-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

It has alot to do with Vfacts. You bag people for buying imports calling them 'fools'.

I'd hazard a guess that if these same 'buzz boxes' were made here, the people buying them would suddenly not be 'fools'.

Would I buy those cars? NO. But those companies must be doing something right for so many 'fools' to buy their cars. I wish we had so many 'fools' buying Falcons and Territories.

That said, a better result for Falcon and Territory in Nov is positive.

It is these 'fools' that you can thank for the demise of Ford Aus and automotive manufacturing in Australia altogether.
And when our economy goes into recession (that's when not if) you can thank all these fools for sending money over to Korea, Thailand, Japan etc. and helping to strengthen their economy whilst our own withers.
That's the problem with people these days, they are too short sighted and cannot see the bigger picture.

P6LTD351 · 04-12-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

It is these 'fools' that you can thank for the demise of Ford Aus and automotive manufacturing in Australia altogether.
And when our economy goes into recession (that's when not if) you can thank all these fools for sending money over to Korea, Thailand, Japan etc. and helping to strengthen their economy whilst our own withers.
That's the problem with people these days, they are too short sighted and cannot see the bigger picture.

So you expect people to buy something that they don't want just to support our economy? That's not the way the world works anymore. It's 2013 - people put their money down on what they want and via many different mediums. I suppose you expect me to support the local business and buy a $35 blu ray instead of buying from overseas at $8. Sorry, but businesses need to get smarter.

BTW, my kitchen has 100% Australian made appliances - Electrolux - made in Adelaide. I hope yours are too.

jpd80 · 04-12-2013, 08:28 PM

From the USA,

Caprice 248
SS 178

F-Series had another big month with 65,501 and year to date of 688,810 and with one
more month left in 2013, there's a good chance that F-Series will crack 750,000 for the year.

Mighty Reds · 04-12-2013, 08:31 PM

65,500 F series sold in 1 month, Wow.

TC200six · 04-12-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

F-Series had another big month with 65,501 and year to date of 688,810 and with one
more month left in 2013, there's a good chance that F-Series will crack 750,000 for the year.

Was that including Super Duty? Would have to be, that's insane when you compare that number to the tiny figures we get here.

stevz · 04-12-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

So you expect people to buy something that they don't want just to support our economy? That's not the way the world works anymore. It's 2013 - people put their money down on what they want and via many different mediums. I suppose you expect me to support the local business and buy a $35 blu ray instead of buying from overseas at $8. Sorry, but businesses need to get smarter.

BTW, my kitchen has 100% Australian made appliances - Electrolux - made in Adelaide. I hope yours are too.

The rest of the world can support their own economies, so why is it only Australians that can't?

superyob · 04-12-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

So you expect people to buy something that they don't want just to support our economy? That's not the way the world works anymore. It's 2013 - people put their money down on what they want and via many different mediums. I suppose you expect me to support the local business and buy a $35 blu ray instead of buying from overseas at $8. Sorry, but businesses need to get smarter.

BTW, my kitchen has 100% Australian made appliances - Electrolux - made in Adelaide. I hope yours are too.

You make our economical well being sound so trivial... I think it is vital that we support our economy. That is why I will always look for Australian product first...

P6LTD351 · 04-12-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

You make our economical well being sound so trivial... I think it is vital that we support our economy. That is why I will always look for Australian product first...

So I take it that you spend your hard earned money on expensive items that you DON'T want to SUPPORT our economy?

Hopefully that doesn't sound trivial.

I look for the Australian made product first too. Read the rest of my post. I hope your kitchen is decked out with $10000 worth of AUSTRALIAN made electrical appliances.

BUT I refuse to buy a product that I don't want, or one that is much more expensive just so I can sleep better at night. If that works for you, great.

Once again, good month for Falcon/Territory.

jpd80 · 04-12-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TC200six

Was that including Super Duty? Would have to be, that's insane when you compare that number to the tiny figures we get here.

Yes, Ford doesn't normally separate F150 from the Super Dutys but they usually make up around two thirds,
since there's three plants plants going flat out, two that make F150 nd one making the Super Dutys.

Mighty Reds · 04-12-2013, 10:11 PM

Explorer Pi outselling the Taurus Pi 2 to 1.

superyob · 04-12-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

So I take it that you spend your hard earned money on expensive items that you DON'T want to SUPPORT our economy?

Hopefully that doesn't sound trivial.

I look for the Australian made product first too. Read the rest of my post. I hope your kitchen is decked out with $10000 worth of AUSTRALIAN made electrical appliances.

BUT I refuse to buy a product that I don't want, or one that is much more expensive just so I can sleep better at night. If that works for you, great.

Once again, good month for Falcon/Territory.

Are you suggesting I work hard for my money? This indeed bad news... for me!

But seriously, I don't spend any money on things I don't want. I guess I am looking at this picture from a life long dislike of Asian and European cars as much as any other pov I have expressed here...

Auslandau · 04-12-2013, 10:36 PM

Really! I hate sounding like a teacher telling kids off in a class room but c'mon!

People can decide to do what ever they want with their own hard earned. It is not up to anyone else to call them "FOOLS" or what ever else for doing so. I am over seeing these stupid rants over and over again

I have bought new imports over the last few years and also bought a crap load of AU built cars. This does not make me a fool or better or worse than anyone else.

By all means discuss the figures and the reasons why and no problems stating your own opinions but when people start to target others and call them fools, it is argumentative and disrespectful to those who do buy everything from Rangers, Fiesta;s Focus or BMW's.

Light hearted banter between Holden and Ford is no probs. Any banter between brands is and always has been no probs, but when it starts and continues to be personal attacks on people for making the decisions they do .... well, it is not in the well being of what this Forum is about.

Those who liked the idea (post) that those who bought imports are fools, get real ..... I have removed the thanks.

It is embarrassing that people pretend to be 'Motoring Enthusiasts' and bag out those who are just 'Ford Enthusiasts' but then go on to bag out every other brand in the market place, just because they were not made here.

Many many people here have imports, Fords included and I don't think they are fools. By all means, be patriotic as much as possible but don not belittle those who have chosen to buy offshore. It is GREAT that we have the opportunity to do so and if the locals cant keep up? WHO IS TO BLAME!!!!!

I and other Mods will stick up for those with Non Australian Ford's and other cars if the need arises and those who do not like it, well really, just leave?

Now just keep the discussion sensible and leave the high horses off the keyboard!

Really over it.

Brazen · 04-12-2013, 10:36 PM

Bloody hell, Falcon and Territory are carrying Ford passenger cars.

Focused · 04-12-2013, 10:58 PM

On the topic of the Mondeo, there's a few things against it.
It's replacement looks amazing so any car-savvy will be holding off for that. And unfortunately, the interior of the current car is really showing its age.

Also I dare say that the few people who end up getting into the dealer may well spot a Kuga (damn nice) or Territory (damn good deals) in the distance and go with one of those.

I must admit I can't say I've seen a Mondeo ad recently. Maybe Ford are holding off a little until the new car arrives next year? I saw it in the metal at the Going Further event and it looked amazing!

Mighty Reds · 04-12-2013, 11:02 PM

Mondeo sales will rise when the new model is released and when it doesn't have a certain other car competing with it in the dealership.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 04-12-2013, 11:04 PM

Well one of those Falcons for November was mine so hooray etc

And for the elitist: the XR has had more warranty issues in 1000KM than our 'imported heap' has had in 35,000 - which also has better tech and buld quality

That aside, i love my Falcons and will always do so. Ford to me means Falcon and i'll always do what i can to support it situation permitting. Sometimes the issues i experience make me announce i'll never buy new again, but i've said that before and still gravitate back to them. That said we're a minority and the masses have spoken. I don't understand everyone's reasoning for turning away from it, i mean geez my turbo does 8.xL/100 on the freeway.. but it's not my place to question other peoples motives or reasoning, it's none of my business.

Let's hope the sales pick up so those who like to buy second hand will have plenty of choice for many years to come.

superyob · 04-12-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Well one of those Falcons for November was mine so hooray etc

And for the elitist: the XR has had more warranty issues in 1000KM than our 'imported heap' has had in 35,000 - which also has better tech and buld quality

That aside, i love my Falcons and will always do so. Ford to me means Falcon and i'll always do what i can to support it situation permitting. That said we're a minority and the masses have spoken. I don't understand everyone's reasoning for turning away from it, i mean geez my turbo does 8.xL/100 on the freeway.. but it's not my place to question other peoples motives or reasoning, it's none of my business.

Let's hope the sales pick up so those who like to buy second hand will have plenty of choice for many years to come.

Did FOA give any indication of spare parts availability into the future for your Falcon?

**Professor Farnsworth** · 04-12-2013, 11:15 PM

no but i don't see it being an issue. I can still buy parts for the AU with ease from Bayford spares, brand new. In fact i've bought things as far back as EB in the past.

Besides, it's more likely the arctic will start selling beach condos than Ford advising your new car may have parts shortages in the future.

NX74205 · 04-12-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

If i was a principle of a Kia/Renault/Hyundai dealer and helped support 30 plus families with employment, paid my taxes in a small country town, wouldn't people supporting me be helping with Australain employment?

Exactly. People seem to forget that there are Australians employed in other capacities other than manufacturing.

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Originally Posted by tezxr8man

So we are better of buying falcons commodores camry's Territories and cruzes than imported stuff that props up somebody elses economy and takes money out of ours

Mondeo > Camry
Focus > Cruze

I'd rather support Ford.

XR Martin · 04-12-2013, 11:46 PM

I like how people are putting faith in the next Mondeo selling up a storm.
Look at the Mazda 6 sales...$100 says it wont sell any more than that.

Camry only sells so well due to fleets, otherwise the mid size market is 600 sales a month max.

Hell I reckon the Mustang will outsell the next Mondeo.

Rico 110s · 04-12-2013, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

What do you do for a quid?????? It is my profession to understand products we offer and closely understand and drive the opposition. So unless you do this as regularly as I do, go chew the biggest humble pie you can find pal

Well I was a mechanic for twelve years (own and operated)until I couldn't do it any more and then went into a different field and now the choice vehicle of where i work are I30's so I think I might know a little about what I am saying.

Syndrome · 04-12-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Did FOA give any indication of spare parts availability into the future for your Falcon?

Stupid question. All cars sold in Australia must carry spare parts for ten years after that model is no longer produced/sold. It is a legal requirement for all brands.

Brazen · 05-12-2013, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

I like how people are putting faith in the next Mondeo selling up a storm.
Look at the Mazda 6 sales...$100 says it wont sell any more than that.

Camry only sells so well due to fleets, otherwise the mid size market is 600 sales a month max.

Hell I reckon the Mustang will outsell the next Mondeo.

Not just in Australia, in 1994 the Mondeo was selling 11,000 a month in the UK (the biggest market for Mondeo), last year it averaged around 1600 a month even with a full variety of diesels, bodystyles (sedan, wagon and liftback), Ecoboosts and NA petrols and with the latest tech and features.

Ford should of killed off Mondeo, that market in Europe has gone to the C-Max, S-Max, SUV and small car segments with the remaining saloon and estate buyers moving upmarket and to higher performance. The FWD Mondeo is being boxed in below by more practical cars and from above by Audis, BMWs and Mercs. They need a modern RWD Ford Granada which could be then sold in Australia.

flooded one · 05-12-2013, 12:45 AM

what I cant work out is how well the Focus sells overseas but here isn't a threat to Corolla???

csv8 · 05-12-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

what I cant work out is how well the Focus sells overseas but here isn't a threat to Corolla???

Advertising!!! Fords advertising is crap!!! Need Focus ad that highlights the car, not just one feature. Look at the Corolla ad, shows it doing several things...
Same applies to Fiesta !!

Dr Smith · 05-12-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

years ago the figures for tezzas were consistanly over 2000 units per month.

That was before the CX9, CX5, Kluger, Jeep GC, Captiva, Hyundai or Kia and a thousand other choices, lol.

1TUFFUTE · 05-12-2013, 02:21 AM

[QUOTE=Rico 110s;4954476]Well I was a mechanic for twelve years (own and operated)until I couldn't do it any more and then went into a different field and now the choice vehicle of where i work are I30's so I think I might know a little about what I am saying.[/

Think Brazen is right about the mondo. Not sure if even the new model I'll have a sweet spot on the market.

superyob · 05-12-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Stupid question. All cars sold in Australia must carry spare parts for ten years after that model is no longer produced/sold. It is a legal requirement for all brands.

My humble apologies for offending you with my 'stupid question'. I don't profess to know all...

**PepeLePew** · 05-12-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Stupid question. All cars sold in Australia must carry spare parts for ten years after that model is no longer produced/sold. It is a legal requirement for all brands.

Enough of the passive aggressive posts from all please....move along with the topic.

vztrt · 05-12-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Advertising!!! Fords advertising is crap!!! Need Focus ad that highlights the car, not just one feature. Look at the Corolla ad, shows it doing several things...
Same applies to Fiesta !!

Yeah that's what it isn't. I'd say it would be that Oval badge with Ford on it. Ford has a bad reputation here with so many being burned.