Holden to make major announcement to staff today

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

One steel doesn't mean its Aussie made, I've unloaded quite a few containers of steel rolls from Asian countries that were bound for one steel, and blue scope, amongst others...

With cruze I thought it was only the hanging panels that were stamped here, the main body panels are basically ckd?

Interesting topic though, at what stage is it Australian made, assembled or imported?

Lol Burnz

[BHDOGS]

Rumors tell me the engine plant for the v6 is finished there definatly shutting down

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by burnz

what a load of crock, zinc steel robot welders will have fun..
get real holden zinc dip a completed car.

holden changed fron blue scope to one steel, the owners of all steel made in this country

Or imported trading house

How does that feel ?

[fte50]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Rumors tell me the engine plant for the v6 is finished there definatly shutting down

By 2016 it will be on its last leg - once the machines are gutted out, it will make a nice Aldi store with super carpark.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by burnz

one steel "fact"

and if you look into the steel that one steel use about 95% is cheap imported steel

"FACT" that is why they are cheaper than others

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

and if you look into the steel that one steel use about 95% is cheap imported steel

"FACT" that is why they are cheaper than others

Hey Burnz you there ?

[dimka100]

If we put this figure in relation to our Asian competitors then you quickly realise if that figure was 45k, 55k, 65k, 75, ets it would still make manufacturing in Australia a loosing business proposition.

The average wage for a high tech factory worker in China is $400 per month, that's under $5000 a year!!! and now consider that their weekly hours are 50 - 60, annual leave would be under 10 days, sick leave would be a few days at best, RDO don't exist, superannuation is a pipe dream, and workers comp do I even need to mention it?

No matter how small or large the pay cut will be one fact will still remain, Manufacturing in Australia will never be cost competitive against Asia.

Originally Posted by Gobes32

I am on 55k a year, and on the highest pay a production worker can be on. And forget overtime, we have not had it since Orion launch.

[joolz]

Dana used to buy ERW tube from Onesteel but upgraded to DOM tube from another supplier as ERW was not strong enough and not suited for future driveshafts. As it stands today Holden should be in a way better position as costs are involved as a majority of T1 supplier parts are from overseas already. Only the majors like engine, body and other are still local.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by dimka100

No matter how small or large the pay cut will be one fact will still remain, Manufacturing in Australia will never be cost competitive against Asia.

Thats why we shouldnt compete with Asia. We cant on cost grounds, We can compete on quality, innovation and technology. If we choose to.

JP

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by joolz

Dana used to buy ERW tube from Onesteel but upgraded to DOM tube from another supplier as ERW was not strong enough and not suited for future driveshafts. As it stands today Holden should be in a way better position as costs are involved as a majority of T1 supplier parts are from overseas already. Only the majors like engine, body and other are still local.

Seamless tube...;)

[Charliewool]

DOM is still seamed (welded) but drawn over a mandrill in a further process.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

I understand and accept your need for confidentiality, but I don't have that restriction...

About 3 years ago I worked with a women whose son worked at Ford. Mum who worked in the school system and NOTHING to do with Ford, drove a fully maintained, top of the line Falcon for which she paid diddly squat - one of two cars her son received as part of his remuneration.

Many year's ago, the father of a Ford co-worker was offered the option of early retirement from his senior position at Ford. Two cars for life anywhere in the world, free medical for life, and full pension.

When I worked at Ford, staff were driving fully maintained Lasers at (from memory) $7 a week.

You're not alone in quoting base salary only; next time you hear a nurse whinging about their wages, ask them about the $10k odd tax-free component, and their unlimited $$$ tax-free meal and entertainment card.

So back to the point made by others way back... anyone looking at labour costs as an input to the cost of manufacturing needs to be quoting the hourly rate paid to the workers + ALL on costs.

Your kidding yourself if you think we get these sort of perks. Executives get lease cars in their salary package, and can keep a car upon retirement, non execs have to fund a lease themselves, and it sure as hell ain't $7 a week. Forget what you heard about who got what back in the 80's and 90's or whatever, those days are long gone and any of those schemes that cost Ford money were axed years and years ago.

They used to have a Claytons scheme back in the pre 90's where if an employee bought a car, the company would buy it back off them after 6 or 12 months or whatever it was, for the price they paid for it. But the recession we had to have put paid to that. Along with a bunch of other employee perks that got cut once the cost cutters swung the axe.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by stevz

How so? I may have a strong opinion but kindly show me exactly where I have made false statements or misrepresented facts?

Originally Posted by stevz

I wasn't disputing which maker had the most local content, I was disputing prydey's implication that the Cruze could not be classed as Australian made because it contains imported components, yet other cars which also contain imported components such as Falcon can......

i simply stated the cruze can not be labelled 'australian made'! the rest was 'assumed' by you.

so that right there is a post from you where you have a false statement and misrepresented the facts.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Or imported trading house

How does that feel ?

your an absolute clown..
one steel owns blue scope they are a trading name,
as for steel imported, that would be coming from their other "one steel" factories in Malaysia, Singapore, USA..
yes they are the "only supplier" in OZ because every other company is just a trading name for one steel.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by burnz

your an absolute clown..
one steel owns blue scope they are a trading name,
as for steel imported, that would be coming from their other "one steel" factories in Malaysia, Singapore, USA..
yes they are the "only supplier" in OZ because every other company is just a trading name for one steel.

And the steel is imported !

Posco steel (Korea) is another supplier to GMH

[Chopped]

I think the whole issue regarding the steel has turned into a peeing contest and is off topic.

[GQ_Smooth]

Amazing what fires us up now days.

[eb2fairmont]

But is it australian iron ore?

[SB076]

http://www.bluescopesteel.com/about-us/history Bluescope's history,

OneSteel (Arrium) and Bluescope are not the same they did both come from the former BHP (OneSteel was spun off from BHP in 2000) Bluescope was formed in 2003 (basically BHP's steel division so BHP could concentrate on mining.

Yes, I am in the industry and the car companies do use local and imported content (I am not sure of %)

eb2fairmont - No iron ore can be sourced from a variety of places (Vale is massive mining company that supplies a lot of iron ore from different locations round the world mostly Brazil I believe)
My apologies for going off topic

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Your kidding yourself if you think we get these sort of perks. Executives get lease cars in their salary package, and can keep a car upon retirement, non execs have to fund a lease themselves, and it sure as hell ain't $7 a week. Forget what you heard about who got what back in the 80's and 90's or whatever, those days are long gone and any of those schemes that cost Ford money were axed years and years ago.

A quick check on the Orix website tells me that a fully maintained G6E Turbo (retail $51123) doing 15,000km on a 1 year lease would cost approximately $30,000 pa (depending on the packaging method used).
Are you telling me that is what a Ford exec is paying today?
Are you telling me that is what a Ford non-exec is paying today?

[Alan D Segal]

I'd be surprised if anyone has been paying that much. Sounds high to me.

[Bossxr8]

It would be around $200 or more a week, not sure on exact figures but its not $7. Probably more nowdays with the changes to FBT.

Don't know about execs cause lease vehicles are included in their salary packages.

How the hell can a lease car be $30k a year when its only worth $51k. That's just absurd. Who in their right mind would pay that, even if it does include fuel, insurance etc its still a massive rip off.

[jpblue1000]

Im pretty sure the 30 k is total cost including lease payments, insurance, servicing, rego, and of course fuel.
Im pretty sure the3 RACV did a study, may do it every year, but certainly during the 90's I remember them declaring a new commodore cost $1 per Km traveled.

EDIT
Here is a link to a 2012 RACQ study
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars...osts#largecars

JP

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

A quick check on the Orix website tells me that a fully maintained G6E Turbo (retail $51123) doing 15,000km on a 1 year lease would cost approximately $30,000 pa (depending on the packaging method used).
Are you telling me that is what a Ford exec is paying today?
Are you telling me that is what a Ford non-exec is paying today?

You have to remember that Ford is supply a car which it produced to it's employee, it didn't pay anyone anything apart from the actual input costs in making it and isn't paying a finance supplier anything to fund it. This is different to say a phone company providing an employee a car and having to buy/lease/finance it at commercial rates.

[Bossxr8]

Those things would only add up to maybe 5k.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Here is a link to a 2012 RACQ study
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars...osts#largecars

JP

Are those prices per month what you pay I think they are wrong

my sister leases an i-max people mover and I can tell you it is allot more than they say on there they pay about $300 a week

if it is the actual costing i think she needs to look elsewhere for a better deal

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Your kidding yourself if you think we get these sort of perks.

Didn't Ford staff receive an email detailing special pricing to all "Ford Employees, Ford Contractors, and Retirees" and their friends? - a perk...
...didn't the Geelong Advertiser run a story about a similar scheme last year? http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/03/06/311255_news.html - a perk...

...Ford Employee Discount Plan? - a perk
...Discounts on parts? - a perk

"We'll give you a total package that puts you in the driver's seat of the industry - lease car benefits; competitive salary and flexibility plus so much more." http://www.holden.com.au/corporate/careers/employee-benefits - a perk
...and didn't Holden run a "You're own of us - employee pricing" sales campaign - a perk...

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

I'd be surprised if anyone has been paying that much. Sounds high to me.

If Joe Public was earning $55k per annum and leased a G6E Turbo using the Novated Statutory Method, his annual net salary would be $15.411.17 ; that's $300 a week to live on after he paid for the car. http://www.orix.com.au/novated-leasing/calculator.html

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It would be around $200 or more a week, not sure on exact figures but its not $7. Probably more nowdays with the changes to FBT.

Don't know about execs cause lease vehicles are included in their salary packages.

So maybe I'm not kidding myself after all? That's 1/3 of what Joe Public pays for a non-exec and even less for an exec.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How the hell can a lease car be $30k a year when its only worth $51k. That's just absurd. Who in their right mind would pay that, even if it does include fuel, insurance etc its still a massive rip off.

People who don't receive PERKS!!!

BTW I'm not against you receiving perks - I've had my fair share too, but I am against people like the AWU who do not include TOTAL remuneration and benefits when quoting wages.

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by SB076

http://www.bluescopesteel.com/about-us/history

eb2fairmont - No iron ore can be sourced from a variety of places (Vale is massive mining company that supplies a lot of iron ore from different locations round the world mostly Brazil I believe)
My apologies for going off topic

Said this somewhat toungue in cheek seeing i'm in iron ore.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

Are those prices per month what you pay I think they are wrong

my sister leases an i-max people mover and I can tell you it is allot more than they say on there they pay about $300 a week

if it is the actual costing i think she needs to look elsewhere for a better deal

Don't know what your on about buddy, the table supplied for 2012 gives cost per Km, per week and annually based on the criteria they outline at the bottom of the page. Im going to go with their research over your sisters...Remember they are quoting averages as outlined, and youll see its quite expensive to run a car

JP

[Nikked]

The odd thing about the Holden Cruze is...the good ol' Holden badge and matching grille is made in Korea...(or was it Mexico...)