Nissan GT-R Stigma/Attitude? - Page 6

flappist · 31-03-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

More like.
No style, no soul, no history
Ugly Pastiche of American and European styling cues.
Only about 3 classics, those designed by a European.

None has been copied from Ford either, especially the way Ford Aus has been going. It still here?

Ah soul, yep that is definitely what comes to mind when thinking of your style and history.....

MethodX · 31-03-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

what are you going on about - i have never claimed ford australia is australian. just that holden are not either

do you actually know what you are fighting for and who it is against

The title thread is stigma..
Im answering and having fun.

Shonky. · 31-03-2012, 09:38 PM

GTR has history, and soul. It was built to win races in Japan and mopped the floor with everything else that was brought to the mountain here.

It is the reason why we moved from a race where you can see all different makes and models have their day and then become uncompetetive and allow another model to step up, to one where essentially identical cars drive round and round in a predictable fashion. You used to watch volvos, rx7s, jaguars, fords, holdens - all manner of different cars jostling for space on the track. It was exciting. I used to love watching what car was going to win each year when the event rolled around. Sure, it may have been a whitewash some years. Perhaps those who love sport and close competition may not have liked it and prefer the current format. But I don't really like sport. But I LOVE cars. Always have, since I was a kid. Bathurst used to be like the motorshow at 200km/hr. **** I loved it. Now....YAWN!!!!

Shonky. · 31-03-2012, 09:40 PM

My poor little beast after it got killed at the hands of a colour blind driver back in the day:

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**CAT600** · 31-03-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Who cares if it is, when they had to call in an appliance company executive to save it.
Plus many of the ford family want to flog it off.
Farrari is still Italian owned, thats the main thing.

Fiat is one of the pionners of motoring and were a grand prix winner when Ford was still selling crappy model T's and running around yelling Any colour you want as long as its black.

Ford Australian? Any Australian car companies?
Oh wait ford pressed a fender 1 year earlier than gm did in Aus, so they are dinky di right?

Oh btw remember changi.

You're way off topic and are hemorraging badly in doing so.

Better off going back to the OP, throwing the baits out and trolling..... a guy like me is sure to take a bite, especially after doing another 300 epic kms in the '35 today with a couple of mates on board, still in absolute awe of the totality of the Nissan premium supercar package.

Daniel

MethodX · 31-03-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

GTR has history, and soul. It was built to win races in Japan and mopped the floor with everything else that was brought to the mountain here.

It is the reason why we moved from a race where you can see all different makes and models have their day and then become uncompetetive and allow another model to step up, to one where essentially identical cars drive round and round in a predictable fashion. You used to watch volvos, rx7s, jaguars, fords, holdens - all manner of different cars jostling for space on the track. It was exciting. I used to love watching what car was going to win each year when the event rolled around. Sure, it may have been a whitewash some years. Perhaps those who love sport and close competition may not have liked it and prefer the current format. But I don't really like sport. But I LOVE cars. Always have, since I was a kid. Bathurst used to be like the motorshow at 200km/hr. **** I loved it. Now....YAWN!!!!

And the car companies were finding it too expensive to build those big bucks homologation specials. And trying to sell them in the middle of a recession.
Most of them pulled out of Group A.

MethodX · 31-03-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

You're way off topic and are hemorraging badly in doing so.

Better off going back to the OP, throwing the baits out and trolling..... a guy like me is sure to take a bite, especially after doing another 300 epic kms in the '35 today with a couple of mates on board, still in absolute awe of the totality of the Nissan premium supercar package.

Daniel

All in fun.
A bit of auto history is fun to discuss.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

More like.
No style, no soul, no history
Ugly Pastiche of American and European styling cues.
Only about 3 classics, those designed by a European.

None has been copied from Ford either, especially the way Ford Aus has been going. It still here?

Typical British sports car...wooden chassis and woeful lucas electronics...

Meanwhile in japan...

Only 3 classics in japan?

-2000GT
-MR2
-Datto 1200
-240z
-Supra
-MR2
-MX-5
-RX-3
-RX-7
-NSX
-GT-R
-S-chassis
-Lancer
-WRX

But yeah, it's cooler just to bag at the japanese...takes less brainpower etc...

MethodX · 01-04-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Typical British sports car...wooden chassis and woeful lucas electronics...

image

Meanwhile in japan...

image

Only 3 classics in japan?

-2000GT
-MR2
-Datto 1200
-240z
-Supra
-MR2
-MX-5
-RX-3
-RX-7
-NSX
-GT-R
-S-chassis
-Lancer
-WRX

But yeah, it's cooler just to bag at the japanese...takes less brainpower etc...

Only the 2000 GT and 240Z are true classics.
Worth anything.
Maybe the original GTR.
How much is an NSX worth now?
Takes even less brainpower to bag GM all the time, when they make the same type of cars as Ford, and from the same country.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 12:11 AM

NSX's still command high prices compared to new, it would be hard not to call a MX-5 a classic, a car that re-invented the cheap and cheerful sporty soft-top...somthing the brits haven't done...

WRX...the only other car that would be held in as high favor would be a Lancia stratos or Audi quattro...

I didn't even mention the AE86....

As far as the car world is concerned, its Germany V's Japan Vs' america...with India and Korea making moves...

MethodX · 01-04-2012, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

NSX's still command high prices compared to new, it would be hard not to call a MX-5 a classic, a car that re-invented the cheap and cheerful sporty soft-top...somthing the brits haven't done...

WRX...the only other car that would be held in as high favor would be a Lancia stratos or Audi quattro...

I didn't even mention the AE86....

As far as the car world is concerned, its Germany V's Japan Vs' america...with India and Korea making moves...

All the companies are forming alliances now anyway.
So you wont be able to tell which company is which.
Yes mazda copied a Lotus for the MX5.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

All the companies are forming alliances now anyway.
So you wont be able to tell which company is which.
Yes mazda copied a Lotus for the MX5.

....and now comes the defeatist attitude...

"All the companies are forming alliances now anyway."

/roll eyes

Is it that hard for people to accept the japanese?

MethodX · 01-04-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

....and now comes the defeatist attitude...

"All the companies are forming alliances now anyway."

/roll eyes

Is it that hard for people to accept the japanese?

What defeatist attitude? the Euros and Americans are still there.
All the companies are forming alliances.
Yes it is that hard, they are japanese. not fair dinkum.

UberKnee · 01-04-2012, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikked

Typical British sports car...wooden chassis and woeful lucas electronics...

image

Meanwhile in japan...

image

Only 3 classics in japan?

-2000GT
-MR2
-Datto 1200
-240z
-Supra
-MR2
-MX-5
-RX-3
-RX-7
-NSX
-GT-R
-S-chassis
-Lancer
-WRX

But yeah, it's cooler just to bag at the japanese...takes less brainpower etc...

Hmmm comparing a car purposely designed to look like a 1940s car to a car with more gadgets than James Bond to prove a point...I sense bias. Just ignore all the Astons, Jags, etc. all the modern British sports cars that are actually comparable to a GTR.

MethodX · 01-04-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by UberKnee

Hmmm comparing a car purposely designed to look like a 1940s car to a car with more gadgets than James Bond to prove a point...I sense bias.

Those Morgans appeal to a certain niche.
There will always be people that like them, the tweed set.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by UberKnee

Hmmm comparing a car purposely designed to look like a 1940s car to a car with more gadgets than James Bond to prove a point...I sense bias.

not really, just a cheap shot....

Actually had a 80's Plus 4 a work...beautiful car to look at.

Nic85 · 01-04-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UberKnee

Hmmm comparing a car purposely designed to look like a 1940s car to a car with more gadgets than James Bond to prove a point...I sense bias. Just ignore all the Astons, Jags, etc. all the modern British sports cars that are actually comparable to a GTR.

It's perhaps ironic(?) that only now, under India's TATA ownership, are Jaguar making decent cars, but they still have a long way to go in terms of dynamics, if the magazines and online reviews are to be believed. I think they make some visually stunning cars.

Likewise Aston, for years have been behind the ball in terms of power and handling. Their 6L V12 is antiquated if not fantastic sounding. But still, their power and cornering prowess are not what they're designed for. They're fantastic to look at and listen to, and that will always maintain them a following.

I think that brings us to a good point. Those British (if I can call them British anymore) cars, and likewise the Italian cars, are very pretty and sound really good. I think particularly in the case of the Brits, these 2 criteria were more important than anything else. Then you have the Japanese who want a car to be the best handling it can be, with the most precise steering and responsive engine and gearbox, then design what the thing looks like later on.

Both sides of the fence will have fans and haters. I think we as car enthusiasts should enjoy both sides and accept and respect their differences for what they are.

austyphoon · 01-04-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

How much is an NSX worth now?

What's price got to do with a car being a classic or not?

This is Gordon Murray's (built F1 cars and, of course, the McLaren F1 road car) take on the NSX.

http://www.carzi.com/2008/11/22/gord...the-acura-nsx/

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the moment I drove the “little” NSX, all the benchmark cars–Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini–I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX’s ride quality and handling would become our new design target.

And the GT-R has been around since 1969 with plenty of racing history.

XR6Naranja · 01-04-2012, 08:31 PM

This thread has managed to go from talking about stigma to a bunch of people with the exact stigma I was talking about?

But instead Ford, GT-R, Ferarri, Euro and British cars managed to hop in here 0.o

So uhhh, I drive a Ford because no other company makes 4 door roomy sedans that are capable of some decent performance for the price that they are sold at.

If I'm not wrong, my next choice would be in a Lexus, but the price on Lexus compared to Ford is somewhat not comparable.

So I have no stigma for Ford, but seems like there is quite a bit for all cars at the moment..

nstg8a · 01-04-2012, 08:40 PM

my favourite japanese classic... yes, like a lot of early jajanese stuff it has some obvious styling ques from other brands, but what a good looking car.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 08:55 PM

nstg8a · 01-04-2012, 09:04 PM

stunning car... was it a nsx that was used to make that jag (or maclaren) copy? the pics did the rounds a few years back. might even have been some ferrari rep, cant remember. came out stunning iirc.

Franco Cozzo · 01-04-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

-240z

A bit more modern than the one on your list, but my favorite sucessor to that car:

Its more of a "grand tourer" than out-right sports car though.

They where what you would consider "fast" (for the imported TT version), not reliable (these days anyway, this Z32 series was released in the very late 80s lol) but they look fantastic, looks like its going fast even when its stopped I reckon.

Nikked · 01-04-2012, 10:16 PM

300's are a bit underappreciated...mostly due to the problems associated with the motors...but they are a nice coupe...

Oh, and Lamborghini used 300zx lights on the later Diablo's...

1TUFFUTE · 01-04-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

This thread has managed to go from talking about stigma to a bunch of people with the exact stigma I was talking about?

But instead Ford, GT-R, Ferarri, Euro and British cars managed to hop in here 0.o

So uhhh, I drive a Ford because no other company makes 4 door roomy sedans that are capable of some decent performance for the price that they are sold at.

If I'm not wrong, my next choice would be in a Lexus, but the price on Lexus compared to Ford is somewhat not comparable.

So I have no stigma for Ford, but seems like there is quite a bit for all cars at the moment..

haha its funny how your thread almost turned into the exact same thing you get on the youtube know it alls.
The way i see it for the MONEY the GTRs are amazing kit...but then again for the money so are the modern fast fords. I mean has anyone noticed the ingear acceleration these new fords have...omg...it seriously is a similiar jaw dropping stat same as how good the new GTRs are as a track car. S what it comes down to is what the cars is designed for and what price bracket your looking at....then you go from there. And it just so happens we here at aus ford forums have been able to boast the fastest road and track cars for the money for a while now. Up un the GTR price range theres not much else that touches it too.
Now if you want to start talking modded versions...the only way to keep a level playing field is to look at raceing classes where theyre all restricted to similiar levels ...like GT class racing....

gtxb67 · 02-04-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

haha its funny how your thread almost turned into the exact same thing you get on the youtube know it alls

seriously, what else could have been expected

drew`SEVNT5 · 02-04-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Italy, Europe, US and Aus.
Japanese have just copied.

What, the Japanese decided to slum it and 'copy' from either the US or Australia?

When?!?!

**CAT600** · 02-04-2012, 09:29 PM

Fitting Brembo's?

Nikked · 02-04-2012, 09:56 PM

Buy making affordable, reliable, tuneable sports cars...

Oh wait...

drew`SEVNT5 · 02-04-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

A bit more modern than the one on your list, but my favorite sucessor to that car:

image

Its more of a "grand tourer" than out-right sports car though.

They where what you would consider "fast" (for the imported TT version), not reliable (these days anyway, this Z32 series was released in the very late 80s lol) but they look fantastic, looks like its going fast even when its stopped I reckon.

And my favorite sucessor :P

As for Japanese cars having no soul, I call bs on that.

For mine, what I am driving now is the closest car I could find to a modern day Alfa GTV6... A characterful car for the masses if there ever was one...