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29-05-2010, 04:19 PM | #121 | ||
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i've always wanted one of these
the german alternative not as wild as a ho, but it was automatic and had airbag suspension and came out in 1968! it'd have to be a close race in the top speed stakes!! it also has racing history, amg tuned it to 420hp and came 2nd @ spa 24hr Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 6.3 litre V8 with fuel injection, 250 PS (184 kW; 247 hp),300 HP SAE Performance 0-62 mph (100 km/h): 6.3 seconds 0-100 mph (160 km/h) : 14.6 seconds Standing 1/4 mile (~400 m) : 14.2 seconds Top Speed : 229 km/h (142.3 mph)† |
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29-05-2010, 04:20 PM | #122 | ||
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I just cant believe this has made it to 5 pages, and some of the people who've bothered to bite.
C'mon, this is the first post by the OP, on a Ford forum and he takes a swipe at the second most desired Aussie Ford in history. Must be a slow week.... |
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29-05-2010, 05:02 PM | #123 | |||
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29-05-2010, 05:16 PM | #124 | |||
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29-05-2010, 05:17 PM | #125 | ||
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Does Falcon coupe smell a troller?
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29-05-2010, 05:25 PM | #126 | |||
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29-05-2010, 05:46 PM | #127 | |||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300SEL_6.3 I can forgive the original poster with casting a doubt, especially when it comes to Wheels magazine. When the VN came out they claimed the VN V8 (red Calais as cover car) was the quckest 4 door in the world. I use to own a 1988 Mercedes 560SEC 300hp which would walk any VN short of a Grp A. Wheels compared the VN against slower sedans except the 300hp 750i BMW and Mercedes 560SEL, which were a good half second quicker than the standard 165kw VN V8. Typical sensationalist media crap to up the sales. |
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29-05-2010, 05:53 PM | #128 | |||
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Just A ...... Sorry i could not help myself, feel free to deleat.....
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29-05-2010, 06:27 PM | #129 | ||
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LC GTR XU-1 Standing 1/4: 16.1 sec
LJ GTR XU-1 standing 1/4: 16.1 sec Phase 3 HO standing 1/4: 14.2 sec E49 charger standing 1/4: 14.4 sec |
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29-05-2010, 07:55 PM | #130 | |||
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29-05-2010, 09:01 PM | #131 | ||
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Well done Smoo..
The Mercedes Benz 300SEL 6.3 built from 1968 ~ 1971, is the only other contender for the title. Fords claim that the HO was the Fastest 4 door sedan in the world was made in 1971 so why are people bring up F6's and Panamera's? In the end there are 2 contenders. for 1971 4 door fast cars. XY Phase 3 GTHO qtr mile 14.4 and top speed 144mph 300SEL 6.3 qtr mile 14.2 top speed 142mph. but to my maths 144 is more than 142. Game over. Mind you both are blindingly fast for the times. Funny you can buy a nice 6.3 for $30k.. My dream garage would have one of each.. T
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29-05-2010, 09:17 PM | #132 | |||
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29-05-2010, 09:30 PM | #133 | ||
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10 year warranty doesnt apply to the Evo anyway.
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29-05-2010, 10:05 PM | #134 | |||
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29-05-2010, 10:28 PM | #135 | ||
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Just for some more enlightenment (or another ignition source, because I read this in Wheels back in the 90's) these are some reliable claims i've heard over the years.
The XY PH3 was dubbed as the fastest four door production sedan in the WORLD, for almost 20 years! 140+mph. The Lotus Carlton was heralded as the heir to the throne in 1990! 176mph. Although I believe Ford Sapphire Cosworths were produced earlier and and were good for 150+mph The VK Brock Director manual was claimed by GM to sprint to 248 km/h, (154 mph) but they also claimed the PH3 only reached 224Km/h! Discuss... |
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29-05-2010, 10:48 PM | #136 | ||
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That Mercedes was 500kg heavier than the ho
but also 5x the price in 1971!!! Aren't there more contenders a quick search says the 1970 Jag double 6 (V12) did 147mph making it faster still! Edit nope it's 1972 not 70 just IMHO forgetting values I'd prefer the merc. Sure it'd be slower in a drag and around the mountain in 1970 but it'd be so much more refined and comfortable to drive. When it's going anyway Last edited by andrewg6e; 29-05-2010 at 10:54 PM. |
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29-05-2010, 11:49 PM | #137 | |||
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Again I couldn't care less but I am curious to know where the 144mph figure came from. |
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30-05-2010, 12:11 AM | #138 | ||
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in sports car world magazine the quarter mile for the phase 3 is listed 14.4 average run, 14.0 best run in all of my mags from the 70`s the ho3 was listed at either 141 mph or 144 mph at ignition cut out 6150 revs, bathurst cars would be ungoverned.
its interesting to read recent magazines that have copied data and over the years the figures have changed, mostly got slower The Phase III was quite successful in the Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC). 1973 ATCC winner Allan Moffat drove a Phase III. This particular example was driven to a number of victories by Moffat: 1st 1971 Hardie-Ferodo 500, Bathurst 1st 1972 TAA 1 Hour Race, Calder Park 1st 1972 Australian Manufacturers' Championship, Round 4, Phillip Island 1st 1972 Australian Manufacturers' Championship, Round 5, Surfers Paradise 1st 1973 Australian Touring Car Championship, Round 1, Symmons Plains 1st 1973 Australian Touring Car Championship, Round 2, Calder Park 1st 1973 Australian Touring Car Championship, Round 3, Sandown Park 1st 1973 Australian Touring Car Championship, Round 4, Wanneroo Park 1st 1973 Australian Touring Car Championship, Round 7, Oran Park |
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30-05-2010, 12:18 AM | #139 | ||
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its still a record breaker.. the most overpriced 40yo 4door car in the world.......
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30-05-2010, 12:30 AM | #140 | ||
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I dont know about it holding the mantle for 20 years.. there was a merc 6.9L v8 with dry sump and so on .. that could do 150mph . not sure whether it was in a 4 door though. Will have a look.
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30-05-2010, 12:57 AM | #141 | |||
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It's a no brainer that in raw speed, and power that the GTHO creamed the XU1 easily. As it should've. I understand that it's a Ford forum, and the GTHO is a legend, but some common sense could be used. Last edited by Ryan; 30-05-2010 at 01:10 AM. |
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30-05-2010, 01:33 AM | #142 | |||
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30-05-2010, 01:38 AM | #143 | ||
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30-05-2010, 06:34 AM | #144 | |||
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30-05-2010, 06:42 AM | #145 | |||
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as always there are people (who should be journalists, with their continually infactual information), that never let the truth get in the way of a good story. my reply was directed at some of those. the original question was not really worth asking in the first place |
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30-05-2010, 06:48 AM | #146 | |||
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30-05-2010, 07:35 AM | #147 | |||
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30-05-2010, 08:54 AM | #148 | |||
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BMW 750i V12 was launched in 1987 which could do 155mph/250kmh, as was the 560SEL Mercedes in 1988. In 1989 the E34 M5 first appeared and was limited to 250, who knows what she woulda reached... The as you say the Lotus Omega and then the Vn Group A in 1991 which could muster 255kmh. |
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30-05-2010, 09:11 AM | #149 | |||
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30-05-2010, 09:18 AM | #150 | |||
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also, i know i have read stuff to the contrary over the last couple of years, but i was always (and still am) under the impression that the xu2 was going to be the lh type body shell. not the lj |
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