Explorer cruise control jams open in Victoria

[MAD]

Originally Posted by Whitey Ford

Because at 100% throttle you have no vacuum so vacuum assisted brakes have less assistance than normal. The Lexus was at full throttle so the driver did not have vacuum assisted brakes. The Explorer was not at full throttle so he still had vacuum assisted brakes.

Maybe it had vacuum when he started to brake, but as soon as the car slows the throttle opens to counter-act, so that vacuum probably ran out pretty quickly.

[Chopped]

Spot on Whitey (sorry Flappist )

I tend to get sarcastic after I have waffled (mmm waffles) on too much about a subject.

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by flappist

So if your computer stops you from turning off the engine and disengaging gear and your brakes boil, other than ramming something, how do you stop?

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't know that answer.
(sarcasm again!)

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by MAD

Maybe it had vacuum when he started to brake, but as soon as the car slows the throttle opens to counter-act, so that vacuum probably ran out pretty quickly.

If you pump the brake that could happen. One single application doesn't.

[Mr Hardware]

MAD, vacuum or no vacuum you can brake. It's just harder.

[dom_105]

Here you go guys, should answer some questions.

http://media.heraldsun.com.au/eastli...rt%201_2_3.mp3

[Professor Farnsworth]

prior to flappist standing up, i was thinking the same thing.

were any of you there? any of you know the guy/condition of the car?

answer: no.

Very strange things happen with cars, none of you have the slightest notion of what actually happened, so why all jump up and shout BS? He may have been in panic and lost the plot, or the car may have indeed had a global electronic breakdown which caused the scenario he described.

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

prior to flappist standing up, i was thinking the same thing.

were any of you there? any of you know the guy/condition of the car?

answer: no.

Very strange things happen with cars, none of you have the slightest notion of what actually happened, so why all jump up and shout BS? He may have been in panic and lost the plot, or the car may have indeed had a global electronic breakdown which caused the scenario he described.

It wasn't just Flappist injecting some reality into the thread.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Chopped

It wasn't just Flappist injecting some reality into the thread.

sorry mate, just read the first couple of dozen posts, then the last page.

interesting that the police convo was released on the herald sun site.. thought that would be restricted material.

The guy sounded a little, metrosexual, but maybe his voice was raised as he was petrified.

either way it's awesome that he stopped it without injuring himself or anyone else. Poor guy..

wonder if the back window popped out?

[Bobman]

I see Ford gave the guy an FG G6E on loan while they have his car.

Can I give them my EL as well because the accelerator cable snagged?

[DABOSS]

Well he did get a new ford out of it ( only Temp ) G6E, I have a feeling my CC may get stuck also. lol

[RG]

Originally Posted by PETE_XR6

I don't remember reading , shown by my instructor or being tested on what to do when the brakes ,crusie control and keys fail.....screaming at someone because you think they are foolish and you would know exactly what to do does nothing to help the situation , unless your Batman

They don't teach this sort of stuff to drivers and as someone once said

"Don't blame the student Blame the teacher"

Is that an attempt at simplicity?

[FPV8U]

True or False how many issues like this do you think speeding drivers will have all of a sudden?

And could they be proved wrong?

[Riksta]

I hope he used an approved handsfree kit to make the call to 000.

[Whitey Ford]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

True or False how many issues like this do you think speeding drivers will have all of a sudden?

And could they be proved wrong?

Most people have hypothesized that his brake switch failed, which meant that applying the brakes didn't disengage his cruise control.

If this is the case, then when he applied the brakes his brake lights would not have illuminated. Seems like a pretty easy case to prove right or wrong.

[EF-MattyB]

I just really want to know what happened when he came to a stop.

WAS he able to take it out of gear.
IF not, then he could not have been able to take the key out.
THIS will also mean that the car would be revving its tits off.
ALSO the car would most probably want to spin the wheels if it is in gear and full throttle.

SO HOW DID THEY TURN IT OFF???????

[Falcon Coupe]

This thread is mighty close to closure, the next excuse I'm given it shall disappear.

[MAD]

The brake switch alone argument does not hold any ground, because if it was only the brake switch that failed he still would have been able to press the 'cancel' button on the cruise.

[Professor Farnsworth]

i'd guess it was an ecu failure, thus ignoring the 'cruise off' button and the brake switch..

locked in drive could be a safety feature while moving, can't turn key off might be again a safety feature when in drive, a comedy of misfortune really.

I'd be examining the ecu.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8

Read again, he never said anythin about speed, he said 100% THROTTLE!

So this quote from his post on pg 4 isnt about speed??

But if he was doing 80km/h in cruise control his brakes would not be faded, they would be right on top of their game.

[Professor Farnsworth]

if the ecu is ignoring the 'disengage' command, then applying the brakes will only make the torque/power of the engine kick in to try and counter. Granted the brakes should still win, but again, if it's an ecu fault, the brakes could also be affected.

[divine_afg]

Originally Posted by EF-MattyB

I just really want to know what happened when he came to a stop.

WAS he able to take it out of gear.
IF not, then he could not have been able to take the key out.
THIS will also mean that the car would be revving its tits off.
ALSO the car would most probably want to spin the wheels if it is in gear and full throttle.

SO HOW DID THEY TURN IT OFF???????

Im Curious too
Where is JC ?

[BENT_8]

Thankyou Professor Farnsworth for bringing some rational thinking to this thread.
As i wrote in a previous post, if this guy had killed someone and all this speculation was made a Mod would have pulled them into line, but this has become a thread of insults to a young man who cannot defend himself and is based on nothing but heresay.
Lets face it, from the phone convo i find him quite calm, he'd already contacted Ford and been told he couldnt turn it off, he'd put his hazard lights on, tried to slow and rang the next best people.
Not really something a frantic person, unable to take directions would do.

He only became frantic when faced with oncoming traffic and nowhere to go.
At that stage the brakes, or what was left of them were mashed as requested and he came to a stop.

Pretty straight forward for those doubters really and exactly what i put in my first post with only 1 minutes consideration.

@ Falcon Coupe, If this needs to be locked, lock it, but if removed its just an attempt at hiding the first 3 pages of attacks from the elitists.

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by EF-MattyB

I just really want to know what happened when he came to a stop.

WAS he able to take it out of gear.
IF not, then he could not have been able to take the key out.
THIS will also mean that the car would be revving its tits off.
ALSO the car would most probably want to spin the wheels if it is in gear and full throttle.

SO HOW DID THEY TURN IT OFF???????

I was thinking that when he used the handbrake, the car spun around thus stalling it... I don't know how the car actually pulled up though, just a thought anyway.

[xtremerus]

>40 Kpm limit of the cruise may have kicked in, and turned it off???

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Whitey Ford

Most people have hypothesized that his brake switch failed, which meant that applying the brakes didn't disengage his cruise control.

If this is the case, then when he applied the brakes his brake lights would not have illuminated. Seems like a pretty easy case to prove right or wrong.

Most vehicles i've worked on have a seperate switch for the cruise and the brake lights.

[divine_afg]

The Decepticons took over the car and the Autobots saved the day.
After the investigation we'll find out the Answers, atm its good news no one got hurt.

[Jeddak]

Did any one see the news about two weeks ago when an American Toyota sedan had its throttle jammed wide open when the accessory floor mat ( not the fitted floor carpet ) got stuck on the lower end of the pedal??
the driver did not/ was not able to stop the car with very tragic results when his car shot through a "t" intersection at warp speed (ie flat out)

the car crashed and burned killing all on board.

Panic is a funny thing ...when it kicks in you find that you just CANNOT think logically.this is especially dangerous when it is coupled with lack of knowledge of how your car works and ( sorry young folks) youth

Youth is something we all go through ..it happens.

knowledge is different though.
even the very young drivers can benefit from a basic knowledge of the working of their cars, and unless proven otherwise by tests,both of these events could have been avoided by simply turning the ignition to the "acc"
or "off" position and guiding the car to the edge of the road.

NOT TO THE LOCK POSITION AND REMOVING THE KEY!!!( I cannot believe that he was told to do this!!)

doing this will only change the event from one type (excessive uncontrolled speed)to "no control at all" with predictable and tragic results

[block58]

Not sure if this has been said yet but the guy is getting interviewed on The 7pm Project tonight (channel 10).

[Wally]

Interesting phenomenon:;

http://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Ex...g_brakes.shtml

My apologies Chase