Is The GMC Sierra Denali The Safest Towing Vehicle ?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And who's fault is that?

Do your homework, take responsibility for it.

You're having a go at Prydey for giving information "the homework" people need before they make the wrong purchase.

But this is all a moot point anyway the Sierra Denali will never well here anyway.

were just giving reasons why it wont. but some are just blinded by their love of big american "trucks".

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yes we discussed that. 2.5m max overall width. excluding mirrors. U.S can go wider. Isn't wheel track measured from the centre of the tyre ??
My boat is 3.0m wide, oversize and permit day or night but under 3.0m doesn't need an escort.

For me the Cops measured the outside of the Guard, which should cover the tyre?

I don't need a permit for mine (VIC)

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You're having a go at Prydey for giving information "the homework" people need before they make the wrong purchase.

But this is all a moot point anyway the Sierra Denali will never well here anyway.

were just giving reasons why it wont. but some are just blinded by their love of big american "trucks".

No one's having a go at anyone, I'm simply saying that its upon a purchaser to investigate wether a particular vehicle is suitable for their needs, it doesnt matter what the manufacturer suggests as marketing spin, the necessary information with regards to towing capacity is available if you care to look.
Now if what your towing brings you close to a particular vehicles threshold it is up to you the purchaser to make a decision as to wether to continue down that path or not.
Regardless of what that limit is for a vehicle like the RAM1500, it is available to make a decision.

[BENT_8]

Sorry I had to cut that short as I was heading out on my arvo run.
A RAM1500 might not have the same abilities as a LC200 but you cant throw a couple of trail bikes in the back of a cruiser to go with your van, they are more versatile from that perspective but again, it's up to the buyer to make calculations on wether it's an option.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

So whats your point then? just carrying on like a pork chop for nothing

Look, I get that you two clowns have some kind of reciprocal agreement to keep defending each other, but please make your posts substantive.
Are you seriously wanting to know my point? Are you that dense?

You keep proving that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and making a fool of yourself. Instead of admitting you’re wrong, you just keep going. You’re a friggen lunatic.

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Why would you need a vehicle rate for 13 tonnes? to put that in perspective that's a full load of stones on a 6x4 tipper Truck.

Originally Posted by chevypower

I’m buying a construction business that has a Genie boom lift that reaches about 45’ or so. It weighs about 12,000 lbs. That needs to ride on a gooseneck trailer that weighs about 8,000-10,000 empty. So pushing 22,000 lbs (10,000kg). Bigger Genies weigh more....

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

An S-45 boom lift is over 7 tonne, gooseneck trailer would be near 12.
Thats Semi work bud.

Originally Posted by chevypower

A gooseneck for a semi is bigger and heavier than what people pull with Class3-5. This 25’ trailer weighs 3,000kg and carries 8,800kg. Well below the Genie S45’s 7,000kg. https://www.bigtextrailerworld.com/t...axle-gooseneck

If you max out the trailer to 11,800kg, you are well within the max tow weight of the GMC 3500 dually of 16 tonnes.

Then you made a claim that hydraulic brakes are too dangerous for Australia Then you got told that they are allowed there, and even your vehicle has them Then you make another another excuse. You’re so full of it. You argue like the girlfriend I had when I was in high school. You don’t need even remember what your original point was. 🤦*♂️

[prydey]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Look, I get that you two clowns have some kind of reciprocal agreement to keep defending each other, but please make your posts substantive.

We will never agree because we live in different countries with different ways of doing things, and those types of vehicles don't even come here unless via an importer who is prepared to convert them (hsv), or like Dodge, who have decided to bring the 1500 here directly, but as I mentioned previously, all these cars get derated here so they can be driven on a car licence, so we aren't even talking about the same spec vehicles. The vehicles on Australia are more considered recreational vehicles rather than commercial vehicles, so again, different countries see things differently.

While they work great for you over there, it's not the same here.

Surely you can have a discussion without the name calling?

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by prydey

We will never agree because we live in different countries with different ways of doing things, and those types of vehicles don't even come here unless via an importer who is prepared to convert them (hsv), or like Dodge, who have decided to bring the 1500 here directly, but as I mentioned previously, all these cars get derated here so they can be driven on a car licence, so we aren't even talking about the same spec vehicles. The vehicles on Australia are more considered recreational vehicles rather than commercial vehicles, so again, different countries see things differently.

While they work great for you over there, it's not the same here.

Surely you can have a discussion without the name calling?

I grew up in Australia, it’s got nothing to do with what country you’re in (other than the availability of the said vehicles). It’s not a glorified ute, it’s a truck, that’s in the same class as some medium duty trucks that you can get in Australia from Isuzu and Hino. Only it looks better, it’s way more powerful, way more luxurious and has a higher towing capacity. Hinos and Isuzu’s are more for getting the capability for the least amount of money with absolutely no emphasis on speed, comfort etc. They are good for low capital investments, for fleets with employee drivers in congested areas. But for an owner operator, the GMC 3500 or F350 are much nicer to have. They have work trim and chassis cab versions here for the fleet customers too, which is why you don’t see many of the Hino and Isuzu trucks in the US. Yes there are trade barriers that make GM and Ford reluctant to offering them in Australia, such as RHD and different licensing requirements that restricts car license drivers to Class 2 etc. But the fact you have grown up seeing mainly LCF and Class 8 trucks, has changed your perception on what a “truck” is, and the styling of this resembles a fancy Ute. But you’re not looking at what really matters. That is the chassis, axles, power train, GVWR and GCWR. You don’t have to “agree,” it’s just the reality of it.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by prydey

We will never agree because we live in different countries with different ways of doing things, and those types of vehicles don't even come here unless via an importer who is prepared to convert them (hsv), or like Dodge, who have decided to bring the 1500 here directly, but as I mentioned previously, all these cars get derated here so they can be driven on a car licence, so we aren't even talking about the same spec vehicles. The vehicles on Australia are more considered recreational vehicles rather than commercial vehicles, so again, different countries see things differently.

While they work great for you over there, it's not the same here.

Surely you can have a discussion without the name calling?

Someone did try and bring a couple in but.......

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/5...spill/?cs=9397

TWO Chevrolet Silverados worth a combined $300,000 are sitting on the ocean floor somewhere off the coast of Newcastle, according to documents detailing the contents of containers lost from the YM Efficiency last year.

The container manifest, obtained exclusively by the Newcastle Herald under freedom of information laws, reveals the array of products lost at sea when the ship struck bad weather last June.................

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Look, I get that you two clowns have some kind of reciprocal agreement to keep defending each other, but please make your posts substantive.
Are you seriously wanting to know my point? Are you that dense?

You keep proving that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and making a fool of yourself. Instead of admitting you’re wrong, you just keep going. You’re a friggen lunatic.






Then you made a claim that hydraulic brakes are too dangerous for Australia Then you got told that they are allowed there, and even your vehicle has them Then you make another another excuse. You’re so full of it. You argue like the girlfriend I had when I was in high school. You don’t need even remember what your original point was. 🤦*♂️

Please be calm and stop the name calling.
look it's ok that you don't get it, you have American views, that happens from living In idaho I guess.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Someone did try and bring a couple in but.......

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/5...spill/?cs=9397

Also from that same ship we had a couple of F trucks which made it to Sydney but they were basically totalled inside the containers.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by chevypower

But you’re not looking at what really matters. That is the chassis, axles, power train, GVWR and GCWR. You don’t have to “agree,” it’s just the reality of it.

Well I was trying to point out to you that when they get imported here, they get the GVM (or gvwr if you prefer) lowered, making them almost useless for anything other than ute duties.

The only time you might see these types of vehicles being used for towing is large tri axle horse floats and stuff, which like I said earlier, falls more in to the recreational vehicle class. For day to day commercial duties, the japs have it covered.

I can't be bothered looking up the specs but I wonder if the drivetrain really is as robust as a jap truck with similar spec tow capacity (13t)? Or how it compares on price in AUD.

[Vesper Martini]

Yep, from my post #46 below: this info is from Perfomax the largest independent importer, converter and retailer of American vehicles for sale in Australia.

GVM AND LICENSING
In Australia, a car driver licence is limited to driving vehicles up to a maximum GVM of 4495 kg (9900 lb). Beyond this, a different class of licence is required. A vehicle with a GVM under 4495 kg is termed a light vehicle, while those over 4495 kg are termed heavy vehicles.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

Well I was trying to point out to you that when they get imported here, they get the GVM (or gvwr if you prefer) lowered, making them almost useless for anything other than ute duties.

We understand what your on about but its not relevant to what this post is about, a medium duty pick up truck with 6 wheels geared towards medium duty applications of recreation or commercial use in the U.S.
I think your confusing our light recreational vehicles market with the U.S style RV and what they are permitted to tow with them.
If someone did bring them into this country (RHD conv), I'm sure the type of people who would buy it (WITHOUT DERATING IT) would have done their "homework" and made bl**dy certain they had the right legal requirements to use it.

Maybe you could revisit the Dodge RAM 1500 thread further down the pages and post your stuff there.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by prydey

Well I was trying to point out to you that when they get imported here, they get the GVM (or gvwr if you prefer) lowered, making them almost useless for anything other than ute duties.

The only time you might see these types of vehicles being used for towing is large tri axle horse floats and stuff, which like I said earlier, falls more in to the recreational vehicle class. For day to day commercial duties, the japs have it covered.

I can't be bothered looking up the specs but I wonder if the drivetrain really is as robust as a jap truck with similar spec tow capacity (13t)? Or how it compares on price in AUD.

The Japanese ones have about half the power and torque, which require numerically higher axle ratios. Combine that with a flat nose for poor aerodynamics and no crumple zone, like I said, not exactly made for speed.

Hino uses Toyota’s own Aisin transmissions on its lower end trucks, and imports American Allison transmissions for its heavier duty trucks. The same brand of transmission that’s in the GMC 2500. All have full floating axles. AAM supplies Ram and GM; Isuzu makes its own axles and transmissions on the lower end, but uses Dana axles and Allison transmissions for higher end. Dana supplies Ford and Isuzu (it was Sterling on the previous generation). Meritor manufacturs axles for Hino, Dana supplies the driveshafts. Interesting they all use American axles and transmissions, isn’t it? Ring gear size on the American ones vary from 11.5” to now 12.” Max torque input on these American automatic transmissions is about 1,400 Nm. The new 10 speed doesn’t even need torque management in first gear. But if you want, tell yourself that the Japanese ones are better no matter what.

[pottery beige]

love a good dick swing on the internertz

R.Jeremy

[Vesper Martini]

Its also worth noting if you went to the trouble of importing a 6 wheeler GMC Sierra Denali RHD conversion with turntable air brakes to bring it to Aus spec
Its going to cost the best part of $200K, probably more

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I think your confusing our light recreational vehicles market with the U.S style RV and what they are permitted to tow with them.

not at all. I have just been pointing out the facts from Australia's point of view. I figured being on an Australian ford forum with 99% Australian resident members, that would be more relevant info, rather than praise something that will never officially come here, and if it did, would get derated and used for a totally different purpose than the U.S.

In Australia, like I said, if you want to tow or carry a reasonable load then 90% of the time, the japs will get first look in. You only have to look around to notice nearly everything smaller than a semi is Japanese, and many smaller semi's are also Japanese, especially for round town usage.

For the price of a GMC Sierra Denali converted to RHD and conformed to ADR's, I can get a Jap truck with similar power, more torque and rated to tow as much, if not more.

Is it more comfortable? probably not. Would you take your family around in it when not working. Probably not. I was never arguing that would be the case. I was merely pointing out that we do things differently here.

I don't see the point in getting all defensive and aggressive because I have a different view and live in a different country.

[chevypower]

If you keep beating your dead horse, you won’t really need any truck to pull it.

[MITCHAY]

The last week I have seen a Ram and a Silverado. I've seen plenty before but given how small Canberra is and the amount of them I have seen they definitely have a market here in Australia so I imagine if there were a factory RHD model they would sell pretty decently without the LHD conversion tax.

In other news, today was the first day I have seen a Merc ute and it had steelies on it

WTF you don't even get alloys for a Merc

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chevypower

If you keep beating your dead horse, you won’t really need any truck to pull it.

you dont even notice when the dick swing is aimed at you

and give it a like

[Junkyard-Dog]

American trucks look bloody hilarious in busy Adelaide traffic. Their great size becomes a detriment to them. I'm sure they're well equipped but I wouldn't want to try squeezing one into an Aussie car park.

'murican junk.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

you dont even notice when the dick swing is aimed at you

and give it a like

Would you believe it, you are the same guy who wrote this....

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Getting off topic if the mods want to step in.

Only swing your dick when you know you can win. You end up butthurt and asking the mods to intervene. Now getting back on topic...

[roKWiz]

Yeah plenty of d**k swinging.
As much as I like the jap truck market and for what I use them for, (yes I own several prydey, including a gooseneck tug) there is a market here for these medium sized conventional type pick ups with large torquey engines which you can use recreationally and commercially.
Jap trucks fill the market here because they (like for example Fords current commercial line up) have been forced onto us Aussies, a convenient RHD dumping ground.
Bog stock, Jap trucks are not comfortable lounge chair drives towing large 5th wheel trailers or gooseneck horse floats no matter what your convincing yourself.
They can be made to perform ok with plenty of expensive mods but are still a basic design. With towing everything is a compromise, there's no set formula.

I wonder what you would think if the japanese truck market suddenly introduced a large petrol, diesel 6 or V8, with luxy appointments, lots of go fast accessories and bling geared to the recreational user straight out of the box (I would buy one) Probably complaint about how dare they allow these juggernauts onto our roads.

Junkyard-Dog,
Seen plenty of Kenworth's, Freightliners, Louisville's and Mack's around the Adelaide burbs and I reckon they look great.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yeah plenty of d**k swinging.
As much as I like the jap truck market and for what I use them for, (yes I own several prydey, including a gooseneck tug) there is a market here for these medium sized conventional type pick ups with large torquey engines which you can use recreationally and commercially.
Jap trucks fill the market here because they (like for example Fords current commercial line up) have been forced onto us Aussies, a convenient RHD dumping ground.
Bog stock, Jap trucks are not comfortable lounge chair drives towing large 5th wheel trailers or gooseneck horse floats no matter what your convincing yourself.
They can be made to perform ok with plenty of expensive mods but are still a basic design. With towing everything is a compromise, there's no set formula.

I wonder what you would think if the japanese truck market suddenly introduced a large petrol, diesel 6 or V8, with luxy appointments, lots of go fast accessories and bling geared to the recreational user straight out of the box (I would buy one) Probably complaint about how dare they allow these juggernauts onto our roads.

Junkyard-Dog,
Seen plenty of Kenworth's, Freightliners, Louisville's and Mack's around the Adelaide burbs and I reckon they look great.

Funny you mention that. Chevy sells Isuzu LCF trucks with the 5.2L diesel and Allison combo, or the 6.0 V8 Vortec.
https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial...cab-over-truck
Sierra or F-series when you want one vehicle for multiple trailer applications, for hauling consistently (not towing) this would make sense. But then, I'd be more inclined to go with the F650 or International MV because I like power and torque. Interestingly, International now sells a rebranded Silverado 4500, 5500, and 6500.

[Junkyard-Dog]

I guess I should have made it clear that as was talking about pick up trucks lol.

Murican prime movers are awesome.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Bog stock, Jap trucks are not comfortable lounge chair drives towing large 5th wheel trailers or gooseneck horse floats no matter what your convincing yourself.

Not sure where you get this idea that i'm convinced this is the case? I realise sometimes the message gets lost on an internet forum, but I don't recall making these claims. In fact in a post just back up the page, I mentioned that they weren't comfortable. I have only ever mentioned they are bought for a purpose. Probably based on price.

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I wonder what you would think if the japanese truck market suddenly introduced a large petrol, diesel 6 or V8, with luxy appointments, lots of go fast accessories and bling geared to the recreational user straight out of the box (I would buy one) Probably complaint about how dare they allow these juggernauts onto our roads.

Why would I complain?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Funny you mention that. Chevy sells Isuzu LCF trucks with the 5.2L diesel and Allison combo, or the 6.0 V8 Vortec.
https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial...cab-over-truck
Sierra or F-series when you want one vehicle for multiple trailer applications, for hauling consistently (not towing) this would make sense. But then, I'd be more inclined to go with the F650 or International MV because I like power and torque. Interestingly, International now sells a rebranded Silverado 4500, 5500, and 6500.

Yeah those LCF Chevy (Isuzu's) seem popular with the U Haul crowd and city delivery stuff over there. I heard the problem with them is they are not geared for hwy use. Some of ours are improving in that way. It would still be nice to see some of these making their way over here. Its getting to a stage here where I'll run out of options for what I require so I would rather go bigger hence the Louisville.
I do have another little project truck I have most of the parts for now and are seriously considering building if I can track down a Cummins 6BT/10sp RR locally.

Sorry Prydey, I was only referring to you in the second sentence of what I wrote. The rest was in general re the Australian public.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

American trucks look bloody hilarious in busy Adelaide traffic. Their great size becomes a detriment to them. I'm sure they're well equipped but I wouldn't want to try squeezing one into an Aussie car park.

'murican junk.

Oxymoron of the century - drive in Melbourne or Sydney then complain about 'busy Adelaide traffic'

Oh and we have these American utes on our roads too.

[cheap]

The biggest dick - behold ...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Oxymoron of the century - drive in Melbourne or Sydney then complain about 'busy Adelaide traffic'

Oh and we have these American utes on our roads too.

Everything is a competition to some people.