How generous are Australian working conditions

[290v]

my brother left Holdens and got more than that

Originally Posted by mechanic

If you're a Public Servant or work for one of the utilities funded by Govt. then the redundancies are obscenely generous. My brother was paid $150,000 to leave his job.
That to me seems fairly generous.

If you want to start looking into Penalty rates,allowances, Super payments and there generous Pensions then start at the top with the Pollies they should lead by example not pick on the people that are struggling to make ends meet

[sico]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Its a bit different over here in the non mining states, all the normal shops pay award wages, same with dealerships etc, which is the $19/hour for auto electricians and $17.50 for LV mechanics.

Award wages really are crap aren't they. No wonder alot of people don't want to do a trade. I was thinking about doing another, but don't think I'll be better off.



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[castellan]

Originally Posted by sico

Award wages really are crap aren't they. No wonder alot of people don't want to do a trade. I was thinking about doing another, but don't think I'll be better off.



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I think many times just working for another is better deal in the long run as you don't have all the worry responsibilities and have to deal with all the bankrupt fools and the con artist and all the morons as well and on top of all that the ups and downs of the economy tied down working 24/7 no holidays to speak of and end up working your whole life for nothing, seen that story many a time.
Then you talk to some twit who thinks he is hard done by and he has not a clue is totally ignorant and would never have the guts or ability to have a go himself.
Then we have today people calling labours tradesmen for crying out loud ! talk about fools, they don't even know the difference. then they winge you earn too much but they don't have a clue what is involved in running a business at all and i have had some so called trades think they are making big money but the fact is they are just turning over a lot more money and are blind to comprehending the bottom line.

[Angeldust]

Labourers that call themselves Tradesmen that earn more than some real Proffesionals....


says it all really,

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Angeldust

Labourers that call themselves Tradesmen that earn more than some real Proffesionals....


says it all really,

Con artist mainly who do shoddy work and get payed and get away with it all.

See it all the time and they can be tradesmen professionals as well.

My builder mate will spin so much crap to the owner then when it comes to building the house he will cut corners like you would not believe then try to rip every other trade off if he can. he is so full of it and most are nowadays.

If i point out something is wrong over the last 10 years they don't care at all, just smash it out man ! now if they were building a car

[ebxr8240]

Its over the whole workforce.. But lets not forget if you're driving to work ?? Fuel, tolls just to get there.. Then rent or mortgage, plus power, rates etc etc..
One thing is to winge about the wages but how do people survive out there ??

[Dr Jekkyl]

Truth is stranger than fiction. The hypocrisy exhibited by our current government reads like Animal Farm!

I totally agree that the wages and conditions that some workers enjoy are overly generous but the extent to which they can be blamed for any decline in the Australian economy is heavily overstated. What is understated is the role of the many vested interests who's snouts are firmly embedded in the trough.

Lenore Taylor has written a good article on exactly this and the first 15 mins from this video would be funny if it wasn't so chillingly accurate.

[dirtyclevo]

working conditions in this country are on par with that of europe, canada

not the USA, they need help. but there is such a selfish culture over there things will never change.

lets look at the basic's of our working conditions.

australia vs america

OH&S is over the top its getting stupid vs OH&S is so relaxed its basically non existent

Work cover if you injury yourself ( In qld employers have to insure you by law, not sure about other states) vs have to appeal to claims court for compensation/ or have included in your own personal health cover

overworked with minimal staff vs overworked with to much staff, dont get enough hours or used and abused.

breaks, sick leave, holidays, rdo's vs non-existent, no annual holidays in most cases unless part of contract. no sick pay unless part of contract.
rdo (your dreaming)

[csv8]

OH & S is getting silly. As a nurse, I am not supposed to make patients a cup of tea. Why?? in case I make it too hot and the patient scolds themselves !!!!! no BS!!

[BHDOGS]

Agree ohs is mental I can't Wear hard tipped boots in hospital while restraing people what if they step on your foot? Tough **** apparently

[sico]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Agree ohs is mental I can't Wear hard tipped boots in hospital while restraing people what if they step on your foot? Tough **** apparently

That's a weird one, maybe it's so if you kick them it don't hurt as bad..lol

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by 290v

If you want to start looking into Penalty rates,allowances, Super payments and there generous Pensions then start at the top with the Pollies they should lead by example not pick on the people that are struggling to make ends meet

There is always tax payer money to pay them.

Originally Posted by castellan

My builder mate will spin so much crap to the owner then when it comes to building the house he will cut corners like you would not believe then try to rip every other trade off if he can. he is so full of it and most are nowadays.

Its shows with a lot of work you get these days.

Originally Posted by csv8

OH & S is getting silly. As a nurse, I am not supposed to make patients a cup of tea. Why?? in case I make it too hot and the patient scolds themselves !!!!! no BS!!

That sounds more like your place of employment is worried about getting sued. Because companies settle (well their insurance) instead of grinding these 'opportunists' into having no money and withdrawing the lawsuit this type of rubbish is now what we have to endure in the world we live in. Also one reason insurance is expensive for individuals and companies.

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The conditions and pay rates are fine...if anything conditions could be tones down but what we have is fine. I don't understand asking for more in terms of pay or conditions especially in the current economic climate. I would say pay increases once the economy kicks into gear again. At the moment I would be more happy knowing I can pay my bills for the next few years rather then worrying about were my income will come through next.

[dirtyclevo]

I used to work for liquorland back in the early 2000's and according to the then new wesfarmers O H & S policy it turns out that if i was assaulted by a member of the public i was not allowed to defend myself or use force in anyway to remove myself from danger. I am not joking it was unbelievable.

so i'm guessing it was a way of them avoiding getting sued or similiar at the cost of beaten, bruised or even killed employee's.

well the policy didn't work very well, because one day this lil ghetto bastard threw a can of jim beam at me because i wouldn't let him "pay me tomorrow" i dodged it, it hit the cigarette racks. i jumped over the counter, kicked him in the gut and threw him out of the shop. good thing the local police beat was around the corner, officer dickwad took a leisurely stroll over and arrested him while he was screaming abuse at us from the carpark

good thing i was only filling in at that store for the day! my braindead co-worker loved it. ah the good 'ol days!

[Franco Cozzo]

^ Send me a Russian bride in the mail dude

[ebxr8240]

Might upset a few here but HR is a whole level of staff in most places now . Where a few years ago the boss did it with some help of maybe one person in the organisation !! They get way more pay in most cases than the qualified people doing the work !!

[gtfpv]

well our lovely caring govt just approved a 10% private health increase , and rebate % reduction , they are also introducing charges for medicare to see a doctor , reducing penalty rates , taking cheap medicines off the elderly , and taming unfair dismissal laws , and cracking down heavily on workers compensation . so much so that our superannuation companies are retiring young people on TPD at record levels . ALL this in a time when our manufacturing is being lost to australians and foreigners are paying record prices for our homes unseen .
i think the govt is on the right track big time with these changes . we have had it too good for too , long and the people have spoken and fiinally placed our now better govt in our country to finally make our land of the free , a much better place to be .

[sico]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

well the people have spoken and fiinally placed our now better govt in our country to finally make our land of the free , a much better place to be .

Are you on drugs?

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by sico

Are you on drugs?

no ! i am on the majority level headed voting side . part of the ones that stood for change and had my say at the voting booth . and all i can say is , we are finally getting our way . and its about time . the previous mob were a poor excuse .

[damo76]

Sad to say but australia is going the same way. the day of trying different jobs has gone as you need a ticket for anything you do now so makes it impossible to try different things.
Entitlements are dwindling, some due to workers fault for example a recent company i worked for was going through eba negotiations. Anyway the workers voted not to have rdo's because they wanted to have the extra couple dollars each week, but they were already working 12 hour days and some saturdays.
Well silly them, many people have faught hard for things like rdo's, annual leave, etc.
You may have some better entitlements here in australia but literally most of you spend half your life at work, and they are trying to make it that your partner does the same, because its near on impossible to live of 1 wage anymore.
this debate opens a can of worms to a lot more social problems we have compared to 20 years ago were i could play ball with my kids after an 8hour day shift getting $18 an hour 20 years ago.

[nstg8a]

We had a truck driver come into work the other day, and we got to talking about the stuff he delivers to csg sites. He said at one site it took 8 people including himself just over an hour to unload just 5 standard pallets of freight lol, they had spotters, escorts supervisors lol, but just one forklift driver.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by dirtyclevo

working conditions in this country are on par with that of europe, canada

not the USA, they need help. but there is such a selfish culture over there things will never change.

lets look at the basic's of our working conditions.

australia vs america

OH&S is over the top its getting stupid vs OH&S is so relaxed its basically non existent

Work cover if you injury yourself ( In qld employers have to insure you by law, not sure about other states) vs have to appeal to claims court for compensation/ or have included in your own personal health cover

overworked with minimal staff vs overworked with to much staff, dont get enough hours or used and abused.

breaks, sick leave, holidays, rdo's vs non-existent, no annual holidays in most cases unless part of contract. no sick pay unless part of contract.
rdo (your dreaming)

In a lot of auto workshops, especially the smaller ones (I'd say up to 50 employees) its pretty much non existant, it was non existant in my previous workplace.

Originally Posted by csv8

OH & S is getting silly. As a nurse, I am not supposed to make patients a cup of tea. Why?? in case I make it too hot and the patient scolds themselves !!!!! no BS!!

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Agree ohs is mental I can't Wear hard tipped boots in hospital while restraing people what if they step on your foot? Tough **** apparently

Those two are company policy and they've disguised it under OHS, they're trying not to get sued, damage control.

[Gambit]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i think the govt is on the right track big time with these changes . we have had it too good for too , long and the people have spoken and fiinally placed our now better govt in our country to finally make our land of the free , a much better place to be .

Is this serious or sarcastic?

[4bbl]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

We had a truck driver come into work the other day, and we got to talking about the stuff he delivers to csg sites. He said at one site it took 8 people including himself just over an hour to unload just 5 standard pallets of freight lol, they had spotters, escorts supervisors lol, but just one forklift driver.

Everyone loves a great story but I do work in CSG! Fact is, if the truck driver spots, only the loader driver would be needed for a standard load! If however if the driver is new to a job site, than he will need to be inducted to that site, what if they,re venting gas! Can you assume your driver hasn't been just delivering freight to woolworths! Some HSE is over the top but you can't tar all operations with the same brush. I can't count for one hour but a good site induction will take 15 minutes, it the site manager can do it straight away let alone the fact the loader driver probably has other work, all a matter of priority.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Gambit

Is this serious or sarcastic?

sarcastic. i just wanted to see what it feels like to be a stupid right wing person for a second .

[TheSneakiness]

Better than being left wing and letting left wing idiots ruin what you worked for.

[gtfpv]

[QUOTE=Rapid_Axe;5043774]Better than being left wing and letting left wing idiots ruin what you worked for.[/QUO

you just keep thinking that sunshine while we go down under this govt .

[ute83]

[QUOTE=gtfpv;5043786]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Better than being left wing and letting left wing idiots ruin what you worked for.[/QUO

you just keep thinking that sunshine while we go down under this govt .

Sorry man, I like some of the stuff you write BUT where do you think we would be as a country in three years with the other useless twats in charge.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

sarcastic. i just wanted to see what it feels like to be a stupid right wing person for a second .

And how did it feel?

JP

[Gambit]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

sarcastic. i just wanted to see what it feels like to be a stupid right wing person for a second .

I thought something seemed odd but had to ask

[ute83]

I'll start with, we are not in a recession, maybe you need to look up the meaning of recession. The rest of your post is just a joke.