Australia Will Suffer Without Auto Manufacturing- Alan Mulallay - Page 4

Romulus · 19-01-2014, 12:08 PM

So how does translate into action in Australia?

I spoke to a Toyota service advisor in Perth about disposing of a battery for a Prius and she couldn't tell me what the process was, where the battery went and how it was recycled and where the materials would end up.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpblue1000

In Europe...

'the Prius is 85% recyclable and it will be perfectly possible to recover 95% of its materials through a process involving only 2% of its life cycle CO2 emissions.

Toyota makes sure that the high-voltage nickel-metal hydride battery is recovered with zero emissions. only authorized Prius service centers will have the facility. That’s why it approves certain waste management companies to transport batteries to the European Final Treatment Companies (FTCs): SNAP, Accurec and Umicore. '

From what I understand any car sold in Germany must have its parts construction material type identified within the part. for example the type of plastic a bumper is made from is cast into the part itself, aiding with end of life recycling process. The Germans are leaps and bounds ahead of many countries when it comes to this sort of policy.

JP

Impressive if its actually true......and about time too!

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 06:07 PM

This car recycling stuff has got me wondering what they do with the materials here in Oz......Do they take aluminium heads off and radiators out and do they strip all the plastic and seats and carpet from the interiors before they crush the cars for the steel ???

Surely the plastic and carpet wouldn't mix too well in a smelter with the steel???

And think of all the aluminium heads being wasted!

mickcoz · 19-01-2014, 06:31 PM

And the Prius battery and recycling is related to car manufacturing in Australia how?

Franco Cozzo · 19-01-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 Concorde

So how does translate into action in Australia?

I spoke to a Toyota service advisor in Perth about disposing of a battery for a Prius and she couldn't tell me what the process was, where the battery went and how it was recycled and where the materials would end up.

I was at Honda, it just went into the warranty room for 3 months, then I threw it in the big general waste bin? That was a Civic Hybrid battery.

It should probably go to the recyclers who take old batteries.

Franco Cozzo · 19-01-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Unfortunately you guys are probably only a couple of regulations, ADRs, few kickbacks or the like away from being off shored. I'm sure if there was a slight change in conditions it would be cheaper/easier for companies to just import reconfigured vehicles straight from overseas ..

Pretty much, especially the dodgy work our company puts out.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

I was at Honda, it just went into the warranty room for 3 months, then I threw it in the big general waste bin? That was a Civic Hybrid battery.
It should probably go to the recyclers who take old batteries.

THAT is ILLEGAL! And also horrible thing to do!

At very least the recycler would scrap the lead. Chemicals go to proper waste disposal.

As an ex forklift mech I've seen 100 and 100's of batteries much bigger than EV batteries got to proper scrap yards......Not sure what used lead price is?

Itsme · 19-01-2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

This car recycling stuff has got me wondering what they do with the materials here in Oz......Do they take aluminium heads off and radiators out and do they strip all the plastic and seats and carpet from the interiors before they crush the cars for the steel ???

Surely the plastic and carpet wouldn't mix too well in a smelter with the steel???

And think of all the aluminium heads being wasted!

I work for Onesteel, nothing is wasted on recycling as all metals is sorted.
Crushed Cars are complete on delivery.
Onesteel has a shredder where the glass & plastic is sorted from cars that go through it.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by trublu

I work for Onesteel, nothing is wasted on recycling as all metals is sorted.
Crushed Cars are complete on delivery.
Onesteel has a shredder where the glass & plastic is sorted from cars that go through it.

Well that's good to know then. They don't remove Ali heads then as car are already crushed.....Bit of a waste???

Franco Cozzo · 19-01-2014, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

THAT is ILLEGAL! And also horrible thing to do!

At very least the recycler would scrap the lead. Chemicals go to proper waste disposal.

As an ex forklift mech I've seen 100 and 100's of batteries much bigger than EV batteries got to proper scrap yards......Not sure what used lead price is?

There was no procedure on what to do with them after they expired warranty, so in the bin it went with everything else lol.

ryeman · 19-01-2014, 07:36 PM

I would have thought every council had a battery recycling centre.

jpblue1000 · 19-01-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

There was no procedure on what to do with them after they expired warranty, so in the bin it went with everything else lol.

Not saying your at fault but more for all's information... rechargeable batteries are classified as hazardous waste under the Hazardous Waste Act 1989 and they must not be disposed of with general waste.

JP

Bill M · 19-01-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

And you missed mine.

There's no point throwing money at getting new industries off the ground while simultaneously creating mindless bureaucracy that makes those industries less competitive for no tangible benefit.

Nothing to miss

"Tangible benefit" was the purpose of this thread initially and that is something you appear not to understand.
The big picture is not understood by blinkered minds.
Best of luck with dealing with onerous regulation, that's the way the world is going irrespective of whom is in power domestically despite what they say.
That is the new benchmark.

Franco Cozzo · 19-01-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

I would have thought every council had a battery recycling centre.

They usually do at the local tip but not for commercial volumes, and you usually get paid for someone to come to your workshop and take your dead batteries anyways.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

There was no procedure on what to do with them after they expired warranty, so in the bin it went with everything else lol.

Maybe a quick anonymous phone call to EPA could change the way Honda Oz do their business???

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

They usually do at the local tip but not for commercial volumes, and you usually get paid for someone to come to your workshop and take your dead batteries anyways.

They recycle engine oil and it gets filtered and re used.....Truck engine filters go in a crushing machine and off to scrap metal .....Why can tthey do it with batteries???

Because they're trying to cut costs......AGAIN!

I hope Honda Japan don't do this aswell!!!!!!!!!!!

jpd80 · 19-01-2014, 08:35 PM

Early civic hybrid batteries were NiMH and then changed to Li Ion in 2012-2013.
The lithium is not mined, it's extracted from Brine water deposits.

b0son · 19-01-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

I would have thought every council had a battery recycling centre.

Don't bet on it. I'll let you in a on a little secret. A very significant proportion of recyclables (the majority in some areas) actually goes into landfill because they simply don't have the capacity to deal with it all.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Don't bet on it. I'll let you in a on a little secret. A very significant proportion of recyclables (the majority in some areas) actually goes into landfill because they simply don't have the capacity to deal with it all.

Oh well, so much for 'saving the planet' then......Sounds like the whole subject is just a massive scam lol!

I still like the Hybrid Camry but WHY ar'nt they making a wagon model???

Itsme · 19-01-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Well that's good to know then. They don't remove Ali heads then as car are already crushed.....Bit of a waste???

All scrap steel that comes in is sorted out in categories....
The cars go through a shredder, metals plastic glass is sorted out.

There is big money to be made with metals which is not wasted.

GASWAGON · 19-01-2014, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by trublu

All scrap steel that comes in is sorted out in categories....
The cars go through a shredder, metals plastic glass is sorted out.

There is big money to be made with metals which is not wasted.

I imagine ther would be....I even came up idea goin to wreckers and stripping Falcon I6 Ali heads but the time, back breaking work plus paying for the heads up front just doesn't really work out. Mind you I was really desperate for any money I could get at the time.

I am happy you guys at least are doing it all properly!

Is'nt OneSteel next to Pick a Part Campbellfield?

Itsme · 19-01-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

I imagine ther would be....I even came up idea goin to wreckers and stripping Falcon I6 Ali heads but the time, back breaking work plus paying for the heads up front just doesn't really work out. Mind you I was really desperate for any money I could get at the time.

I am happy you guys at least are doing it all properly!

Is'nt OneSteel next to Pick a Part Campbellfield?

Dohertys Rd Laverton North.
This one produces all steel from recycled scrap.

This part of company was formerly known as Smorgon Steel.

KiwiKilda · 27-01-2014, 09:01 AM

I spoke to a Toyota service advisor in Perth about disposing of a battery for a Prius and she couldn't tell me what the process was, where the battery went and how it was recycled and where the materials would end up.

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You have to factor complete battery replacement into the cost per kilometre of hybrids

I rented a prius on holiday I was impressed but
hey the dual fuel falcon was nearly as cheap to run until
they screwed up the price of LPG

I have a 1100cc courtesy car while my brakes are being done
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tin can on wheels

Falcon is a good car

Hybrids cost battery replacement add to fuel cost

jpblue1000 · 27-01-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KiwiKilda

I spoke to a Toyota service advisor in Perth about disposing of a battery for a Prius and she couldn't tell me what the process was, where the battery went and how it was recycled and where the materials would end up.

Hybrids cost battery replacement add to fuel cost

Your service advisor had better brush up on their knowledge, Toyota's own website has a whole page dedicated to it
http://www.toyota.com.au/hybrid-battery-recycling

0.01c per km for $3000 batteries after 300,000km's Some taxis are getting 500-600,000 out of their batteries.

PS: Im not a fan of the prius

JP

bobthebilda · 27-01-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Your service advisor had better brush up on their knowledge, Toyota's own website has a whole page dedicated to it
http://www.toyota.com.au/hybrid-battery-recycling

0.01c per km for $3000 batteries after 300,000km's Some taxis are getting 500-600,000 out of their batteries.

PS: Im not a fan of the prius

JP

Thats $0.01, not 0.01c.

jpblue1000 · 27-01-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Thats $0.01, not 0.01c.

yes it is. 1c per km for batteries.

JP

Bill M · 27-01-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Thats $0.01, not 0.01c.

Don't let anyone say you're not sharp bobdabilda!

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castellan · 28-01-2014, 01:24 PM

I am going to buy my next new car from China, that way we don't have to bother with all the pollution created by making them over their and we don't have to fork out towards someones super as well or bother with the peoples rights etc. win win

Australia creates 1.3 % of the worlds polution, so even if all of Australia were to sink into the ocean would we save the planet.

Hang about Australia never did or could support a car making industry without government help, that's a fact so why stop now. it's another full on great big lie they are pushing, fact is we are being conned.

ryeman · 28-01-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by castellan

I am going to buy my next new car from China, that way we don't have to bother with all the pollution created by making them over their and we don't have to fork out towards someones super as well or bother with the peoples rights etc. win win

Australia creates 1.3 % of the worlds polution, so even if all of Australia were to sink into the ocean would we save the planet.

Hang about Australia never did or could support a car making industry without government help, that's a fact so why stop now. it's another full on great big lie they are pushing, fact is we are being conned.

Yeah, but we can claim to be the only 'pure' trading nation, we can feel so good about that......hmmm.

mickcoz · 11-02-2014, 09:43 PM

Now Toyota has joined the exodus I guess we really don't have any car manufacturing in Australia.

What job opportunities do all all the car manufacturing and associated parts suppliers have?

Our illustrious PM was quoted as saying the job losses aren't a problem because as some jobs are lost more are created!! He really doesn't live in the real world; does he?