Call to fine cars that break down. Vic.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by V8XTasy

lack of vehicle maintainance due to no annual RWC, lot of .

Do you have inside info on what % of breakdowns were due to items that would be checked in a rw inspection? if so what items exactly?

as far as im aware, the car only has to have two working instruments....a speedo and odometer.

[TMC]

Here in WA, if you take a boat out on the water, run out of fuel and need rescuing for any reason, you are fined.

I don't believe in fining a straight forward mechanical failure, but running out of fuel in peak hour on a major arterial should be finable.

I've only ever run out of fuel once in 22 years of driving and that was in the country, with my V8 XB Fairmont wagon and I already had 40L of fuel in jerry's for just such a situation. Never run out of fuel other than that one time. It can't be that hard to keep fuel in a car.

[V8XTasy]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Do you have inside info on what % of breakdowns were due to items that would be checked in a rw inspection? if so what items exactly?

as far as im aware, the car only has to have two working instruments....a speedo and odometer.

Please let me know where to get a RWC for just having a working speedo and odometer. I need to take my Patrol there.

I don't have an exact percentage, that information is not available to anyone, but I'm saying that not having an annual road worthy means that unroadworthy vehicles are often on the road. There are various aspects that make a vehicle unroadworthy, but it's not beyond imagination to think that an unroadworthy vehicle might have a mechanical failure, due to its unroadworthyness. I was saying this is one factor that contributes to the number of vehicles breaking down. One thing that jumps to mind is emissions. An engine with poor emissions is likely not to be running well and therefore more likely to break down. Or you could have a worn ball joint or split CV boot for example. Without being checked and replaced, it could fail, causing you to break down. There are many other examples, but I don't have time to explain all of them.
As a suggestion, have a look at a RWC guide and see which items if left unchecked could break and cause a break down.

[burnz]

who they should be fineing is the tiny little accident where both partys could pull off the road,
but oh no they have to wait an hour for the cops to arrive, only to be told move ya car.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by V8XTasy

Please let me know where to get a RWC for just having a working speedo and odometer. I need to take my Patrol there.

I don't have an exact percentage, that information is not available to anyone, but I'm saying that not having an annual road worthy means that unroadworthy vehicles are often on the road. There are various aspects that make a vehicle unroadworthy, but it's not beyond imagination to think that an unroadworthy vehicle might have a mechanical failure, due to its unroadworthyness. I was saying this is one factor that contributes to the number of vehicles breaking down. One thing that jumps to mind is emissions. An engine with poor emissions is likely not to be running well and therefore more likely to break down. Or you could have a worn ball joint or split CV boot for example. Without being checked and replaced, it could fail, causing you to break down. There are many other examples, but I don't have time to explain all of them.
As a suggestion, have a look at a RWC guide and see which items if left unchecked could break and cause a break down.

So you made a post just on guess work, you have no idea on what % of breakdowns are caused by rwc items. There could be many, but insisting that annual rwc will fix the prob without knowing that is ridiculous.

Yes, I have checked the rwc regs here in vic carefully, all you need as per the adrs of the time is a working speedometer and if it is post 1988 the odometer must work too. (perhaps also brake warning lamp)

My best observation is that very few breakdowns in on our city freeways are going to be to mechanical items that are rwc items: like driveshafts, uni joints etc, these are the only ones that are going to be picked up in a rwc.

As far as the regs read, the engine only has to display no water,oil,fuel leaks, exhaust not holed and no they aren't emission tested in vic either.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by burnz

who they should be fineing is the tiny little accident where both partys could pull off the road,
but oh no they have to wait an hour for the cops to arrive, only to be told move ya car.

Seen this exact same thing happen on the main drag of Newtown. Minor bender and the girl in the front leaves the car as is and just stands on the gutter and starts making phone calls....

Till a guy that Resembled Grisly Adams, only 3 foot taller and 2 foot wider told her to 'move her car out of the way'... but not exactly like that ;)

[flappist]

Originally Posted by TMC

Here in WA, if you take a boat out on the water, run out of fuel and need rescuing for any reason, you are fined.

I don't believe in fining a straight forward mechanical failure, but running out of fuel in peak hour on a major arterial should be finable.

I've only ever run out of fuel once in 22 years of driving and that was in the country, with my V8 XB Fairmont wagon and I already had 40L of fuel in jerry's for just such a situation. Never run out of fuel other than that one time. It can't be that hard to keep fuel in a car.

Just make sure your insurance covers it as if you have prang and it catches alight you may have a problem.

If this proposed law only applied to specific arterial roads during specific times such as peak hours in the same way school or car pool lanes work and only covers running out of fuel that is not due to mechanical failure then I can see merit in it although a more politically expedient policy may be to tow the vehicle to the same compound as used for illegally parked vehicles, charge the same fees and then force the driver to resit their license test both theory and practical within 30 days.

That is not a cash grab it is recurrent training..........

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I never have ran out of fuel.
If my low fuel light comes on I pull into the next servo.

I don't think people should be fined for breaking down.
However running out of fuel is different. As long as your fuel gauge is working you should see you are getting low.

...providing you have a relatively late model car with a fuel light, and an accurate fuel gauge...usually the first time someone will find out that their fuel gauge isn't correct (and they aren't an accurate scientific instrument anyway, they're just a guide) is when they let it get a bit low and they run out. I've owned three or four cars over the decades of various ages that ran out of fuel when it was as high as a quarter full according to the gauge. Of course it usually only happens once, but it's easy to let it slip and whoops, you're out of fuel.

[Nikked]

The two time's I've broke down were:

-The cluch cable clip/holder on my EB broke, gave no warning, just happened coming out of a round-a-bout.

-Coil went in my EL, again, no warning just packed it in dring down a road.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

...providing you have a relatively late model car with a fuel light, and an accurate fuel gauge...usually the first time someone will find out that their fuel gauge isn't correct (and they aren't an accurate scientific instrument anyway, they're just a guide) is when they let it get a bit low and they run out. .

well hopefully if they choose to learn about their car in this way they do it close to home and not on freeways.

the smart thing to do when getting into a new drive is to fill the tank and record the odo, drive it to half empty on the gauge(if you drive more than 300k in the city and if its not half empty the gauge aint working) and refill. Compare this to the size of the tank, get a basic km/l reference then make some assessments of how accurate the gauge is as you go below half full next time. You dont need to run out of fuel to work out if the gauge is overeading.

Of course this is all too much trouble for some, let them pay the fines.

[TheInterceptor]

WOW SUDSZY'S BACK!!!! Was wondering where you went!!

Im glad all the cars ive driven have had good and accurate fuel gauges. My PG doesnt have a fuel light but ive only ever run it down near empty in the outback as i persisted in not paying the wrong side of $2 per litre! Good thing this eventuated as i wasn't too sure how accurate it really was!

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by sudszy

well hopefully if they choose to learn about their car in this way they do it close to home and not on freeways.

the smart thing to do when getting into a new drive is to fill the tank and record the odo, drive it to half empty on the gauge(if you drive more than 300k in the city and if its not half empty the gauge aint working) and refill. Compare this to the size of the tank, get a basic km/l reference then make some assessments of how accurate the gauge is as you go below half full next time. You dont need to run out of fuel to work out if the gauge is overeading.

Of course this is all too much trouble for some, let them pay the fines.

And your still going ...riddle me this you ever drive ya mums ,mates,dads, brothers , sisters,hire car,work car, share car ...or do you just drive that keyboard of yours ...I guess I will never know .
You ever have a bad day , or just a lot on your mind or possibly things are that tight you can only afford 20 bucks a week and the traffic jam on the freeway caused you to not make the servo .
Yer there are fools but I can near guarantee noone would deliberately run out of fuel .
Top of your head how much in the car for your drive to work in the morning ...hope noone has siphoned your car ...I know its happened to the sister in-law a couple times ( brissy ) lucky she has a unit right near a servo .
Now tell me how much fuels in the mower , washing up liquid and how many toilet rolls ya got ...need I keep carrying on .
Bad idea , with a fine attached ...mind boggles

[XRGhia]

If I get fined because my car breaks down, I will be ****ed.

Coming along Epping Road, and the coolant hose that was near new decided to let go. No warning, just dropped all the coolant but thankfully the EF didn't overheat.

Same with the fuel pump. Was driving along, suddenly the car lost all power and died. Once again, no signs it was gonna give out until it did die. Even fuel pressure was still good not long before it died.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by sudszy

So you made a post just on guess work ......

You do so why can't others? ........ or this this just a special rule for you?

[SirHenry]

Whole things seems to me to be a load of hogwash! You cannot fine people for an accident that is why it is called an accident.

People do not set out on their journeys and think hmmm I think I might stuff the freeway up today, maybe tomorrow I might clog the CBD traffic up.

We gotta suck it up people! Hey it could be you one day stuck in the same situation. Have a bit of patience guys and girls.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by SirHenry

Whole things seems to me to be a load of hogwash! You cannot fine people for an accident that is why it is called an accident.

Yes. For accidents where police attend someone will most likely be charged with an offence. Accident or otherwise there is blame that can be proportioned.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

Yer there are fools but I can near guarantee noone would deliberately run out of fuel .

sure no-one does it deliberately, but to pretend running out of fuel is an unavoidable act of god inflicted on your vehicle

Originally Posted by vanman_75

Top of your head how much in the car for your drive to work in the morning ...

42L gas 20L petrol

Originally Posted by vanman_75

Now tell me how much fuels in the mower , washing up liquid and how many toilet rolls ya got ...need I keep carrying on .

Mower is full(Ive never bothered working out the exact vol, be close to 2.5L), 8 spare bog rolls and 180mls of dishwashing liquid, but if I get any of those wrong Im not going to be clogging up the freeway am I

Originally Posted by vanman_75

And your still going ...riddle me this you ever drive ya mums ,mates,dads, brothers , sisters,hire car,work car, share car ...or do you just drive that keyboard of yours ...I guess I will never know .

so someone exposed you for writing rubbish...get over it.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

You do so why can't others? ........ or this this just a special rule for you?

well perhaps outline any fact Ive provided that has proven to be a guess rather than something you just dont like the sound of.

[Geez Louise]

Sudzy, you have made your point on this thread. I do not see any point in quoting others, just because they have a different perception on the issue than you.

It is an interesting thread and I would not like to see it closed as members can not agree to disagree.

Cheers
Col

[burnz]

is that litre's or kilograms?
so distracted lately.

[Revolver]

I have run out of fuel twice, & almost once.

One morning as a teenager, I took my brother & our freinds down to go-karting, & I forgot to put in fuel. Dad even gave me more money for fuel. Was too excited & none of us remembered.

Another morning a couple of years back I ran out of gas & petrol due to the fact I had to go right out of my way to get to work due to the ipswich motorway having a serious 2+ hour backup right onto the warrego. It was another 30kms out of my way to go round, or be 2+ hours late. 30kms is Enough to get me halfway home again on a normal day. But i ran out as I pulled into my parking space at work. Not enough to get down to the servos a kay down the road. So had to go down & buy a tin & fill it, fuel the car & take the car down. It was right on pay day too. I was payed by cheque back then & went across the road to the bank to cash it as I did every other Tuesday.

A year I ran out of gas & had limited fuel. I forgot to fill that morning due to the fact that I fill at night on the way home but was wrecked & fell into my bed when I got home the night before. I always "just drive to work". When I ran out of gas I was past the exit at redbank to duck into the shell & ran out at oxley & I was hoping to make it to the freedom at rocklea. The mobil at oxley was on the other side of the motorway, but I always kept a the tin in the car for such a problem then.

Someone said it cant be that hard to put petrol in your car, but when your pay is a day late, or something puts you right out of the way, a rego comes in, something unforseen that is out of your control, or your expenses are too high, try it, it is VERY HARD.

Everyday I fuel my car, I keep it full almost all the time & its not often I am marginal, but someweeks are close. Too many expences, or a BIG one. And borrowing money almost ensures the same problem next pay.

I must also point out, one of my jobs is a Console operator for Freedom Fuels Here in QLD..........

[vanman_75]

Sudzy I'm done with your insults ...really.
would be below me to continue , your a special person that's for sure .
you haven't exposed me, nor anyone else ..

its times like this I would need to talk face to face to see what or who I'm dealing with .
forums unfortunately :/
any further correspondence via pm please

[Auslandau]

Just a reminder ........ There is always the report button for posts that need attending rather than arguing publicly.

Would like the thread to be back on topic now thanks

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

well hopefully if they choose to learn about their car in this way they do it close to home and not on freeways.

Bahaha yeah, Lets choose the location where our cars will stop working




Get off the fuel subject sudsy, if someones car breaks down(NOT FUEL RELATED) without warning and blocks traffic, should they be fined?

[Elks]

The facts according to the VTA/Vic Roads are that there is a high incidence of "high value" vehicles running out of fuel and brining our overloaded road system to a halt.

My understangof the VTA/Vic Roads definition of High Value is a late model clean straight car. Not a $500 banger owned by some poor bugger on the dole.

Most were too busy or thought that they wouldnt run out. How fining them would change that I don't know.

That said I was held up by a car on the Monash this AM as Vic Roads refueled a car on the side of the road. The culprit a 2005(ish) E55 AMG.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Get off the fuel subject sudsy,

It would appear from the last post that is the big problem, but I take your point, people should be free to post their excuses for running out of fuel, its entertaining at the least.

Originally Posted by Ben73

Get off the fuel subject sudsy, if someones car breaks down(NOT FUEL RELATED) without warning and blocks traffic, should they be fined?

You could always read the whole thread and check out what I said in post #5

[burnz]

so what happened to the brakedown lanes in victoria?

sound like the gov is passing the buck on poorly designed road systems.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by burnz

so what happened to the brakedown lanes in victoria?

sound like the gov is passing the buck on poorly designed road systems.

Turn the emergency lanes on the Monash into the 4th and 5th lanes and what is expected to happen?

[Streets]

Originally Posted by burnz

so what happened to the brakedown lanes in victoria?

From what I've heard they're using them to set up roadblocks.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by Streets

From what I've heard they're using them to set up roadblocks.

Just like they'd do it in a Police Academy movie.

Wait.... they're REAL people????? I thought they were dummies.