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17-02-2011, 08:22 AM | #91 | |||
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17-02-2011, 05:50 PM | #93 | |||
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17-02-2011, 08:04 PM | #96 | |||
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The bulk of savings with vehicles manufacturing happens at the supplier level. |
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17-02-2011, 08:15 PM | #97 | |||
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17-02-2011, 08:29 PM | #99 | |||
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The labor in the parts is at the supplier level and like I said, that's where huge savings are made. |
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17-02-2011, 08:40 PM | #100 | |||
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18-02-2011, 02:58 PM | #101 | ||
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just general slow down customers saving more and sitting on their wallets. Harvey norman same.
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18-02-2011, 03:01 PM | #102 | |||
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i'm of the opinion that there are many on here who grab every oportunity to stick the boots in to falcon. its always the same people in these sort of threads. |
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18-02-2011, 03:01 PM | #103 | ||
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i can tell you the parts suppliers arent making money either. The local content has gotta be below 40% by $ cost now that the drive train is sourced overseas. Its really a question do we want a maufacturing base in Australia or not? we need to have balanced economy dont we ?
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18-02-2011, 03:02 PM | #104 | ||
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i can tell you the parts suppliers arent making money either. The local content has gotta be below 40% by $ cost now that the drive train is sourced overseas. Its really a question do we want a maufacturing base in Australia or not? we need to have balanced economy dont we ? The chinese will start dumping product below cost soon to wipe that out . Then what??? be a service economy ???
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18-02-2011, 03:16 PM | #106 | ||
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No-one's making any money except those who tax us and those who rely on slave labour.
I was reading a review of the G6ET from 2008 and one of the commenters below the article mentioned how he could buy a BMW for 60k with more features than the G6ET. http://www.caradvice.com.au/17031/20...-turbo-review/ I only agreed with a few points: * Why doesn't the G6ET have auto power up/down on all four windows? (handy) * Why doesn't the G6ET have a full electric passenger seat? * Xenons? (I think they're crap tbh) * Climate controlled seats (gimmick but it sells itself) * A real (quality) audio system (premium is bloody woeful for a 50k+ car) * LED tail lights Hope some of the above do make it onto FG2 and beyond as I'm sure not having some of those features is turning people away from high-end Falcons into Audi/BMW etc.
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18-02-2011, 04:08 PM | #107 | ||
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Id like to see what bmw you could buy for 45 kay with 270 kw's of power!!
To get anything that performs simliar to a G6ET you would have to spend atleast 100 kay! 320 BMW's start at around $65 kay and in standard form dont have anything flash in them. You have to add a vision package to get things like Xenons etc, which ends up costing closer to 75 kay on the road. Maybe Ford should offer some silly optoins on these G6ET's to make every body happy... E.g. Xenon / Leds for $3500 more, becuase thats what people pay for these options when buying Beemas!! |
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18-02-2011, 05:01 PM | #108 | ||
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Yeah, I agree. But not as many people care about power these days with speed cameras on every corner (I do care about power, but Mr & Mrs Average don't).
The FG model is far superior to many cars, but some people still tar it with the "Ford" or "taxi" brush, because they "heard" something from their "mate" or bad experiences with older models. I still think get rid of the XT. Make G6 base model with a price advantage over the VE Omega and a few more features along with excellent marketing can turn things around, but it's a tough climate. Plenty of businesses are shutting down because people just have no money. Ford credit could do with a revamp too to help get as many people as possible into new Falcons.
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21-02-2011, 11:32 PM | #109 | ||
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Although production has been reduced to 3 days a week, sales are currently that bad that Ford have taken over about 1/3 of the employee car park to store unsold cars.
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22-02-2011, 12:06 AM | #110 | ||
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What are the (Falcon) variants that are piling up at the plant? (i.e. XT, G6 etc)
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22-02-2011, 12:10 AM | #111 | ||
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Geesh and they are already giving them away, im predicting a big 'demo' sale soon.
Remember how they got rid of the wagon to increase sedan production.... Lucky! |
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22-02-2011, 12:28 AM | #112 | |||
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22-02-2011, 03:38 PM | #113 | ||
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I think there's another reason for the build up..
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22-02-2011, 03:56 PM | #114 | ||
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Don't tell me they've been secretly beavering away at that secret LHD Falcon export version over January...
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22-02-2011, 04:06 PM | #115 | |||
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Lack of sales ...... No LPi. No Wagon. That's 20 % of the daily build rate !! |
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22-02-2011, 04:08 PM | #116 | |||
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22-02-2011, 04:14 PM | #117 | |||
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Wagon was killed because there was no money to be made making an FG wagon which would have eaten potentially into Territory sales.. Scary times ahead, not sure why they are building up stock, unless it has something to do with FG2 coming. |
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22-02-2011, 04:19 PM | #118 | |||
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Even the G6 and XR6 could be merged and the amount of money saved in trim differences or other nonsense would surely help. No wonder things are going bad.
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22-02-2011, 04:21 PM | #119 | ||||
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50th Anniversary was pulling them along, now they have none of them left I think they are in a bit of a pickle... XR6s for $29990 anyone, that would be my guess. Last edited by Smoke Pursuit; 22-02-2011 at 04:33 PM. |
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22-02-2011, 04:23 PM | #120 | |||
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There's nothing to tell. Poor sales, no other reason. You don't have 17 plus downdays in the first few months of the year because you're doing anything but trying to balance production with sales. The scary thing will be if FoA decide to rebalance and reduce the daily rate in the assembly plant. A lot of people will then be redundant across manufacturing. Most of this can be attributed to poor product planning and the LPi "Balls up". |
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