Ford asks: What do you want in a car? And they're ready to listen

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by SM1DY

According to the The Ford Story site

Australians want a Ford coupe
Americans want a RWD Ford Sedan

What possible resolution could we come to?

Ford NA will stuff it up like they always do.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by SM1DY

According to the The Ford Story site

Australians want a Ford coupe
Americans want a RWD Ford Sedan

What possible resolution could we come to?

Australians get a FWD Ford Sedan from America.

[ltd]

We make an offer to ford USA; for every 10 falcons we send over, send over 1 mustang.

Funnily enough, for every anti-ford comment there is a litany of spelling and grammatical errors; methinks some of these people may not actually ever have enough money to buy a new ford.

Some of the complaints here are downright stupid. Saying the interior needs to be better is dumb, the FG has the nicest interiors on the market. Complaints about the servicing are equally intellectually bereft; you opted to go to that dealer and have the option to go to another. Seems to be for every bad one, at least two people can recommend better ones in the area of the complainant. Others want to be able to draw in its sinuous lines and nurse a chubby whilst reaching for their wallets? Try telling that to the huge number of forum goers on here who bought an FG or BA new and its looks helped them decide. Only someone who’s never been in that situation would say something that lame. These aren’t Aston Martins or Ferraris, they are a family sedan. Perhaps one might take ones limp phallus to Toyota and drink in the lines of a Camry, or TRD (whoops….. They’ve pulled out of Australia).

Facts are, for 60 grand you can buy a car with the ride and comfort of a 150 grand euro sedan, whilst blowing it away on acceleration and performance. Ford do a great job considering the market they’re in; especially considering the ignorant nimrods and bogans they have to contend with.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by burnz

1/ no the car shouldn't make that noise, thats normal, their all like that, it's within spec
2/ we will replace the ball joint; excluding any damage and/of fatality's resuting from failure.
3/ real warranty would be good.
4/ what options have you got?? well uummmm!!
5/ when can i pick it up??????
6/ why has my new car got rust???

So you came out from under your bridge hey troll?
How's your SIDI - ECOTEC bucket of bolts going? Still casting blocks at Fishermans Bend are we BURNZ? :
OK, just for giggles, here we go:

Originally Posted by burnz

1/ no the car shouldn't make that noise, thats normal, their all like that, it's within spec.

Yes, all of the GEN3's are supposed to sound like Diesels and drink oil.

Originally Posted by burnz

2/ we will replace the ball joint; excluding any damage and/of fatality's resuting from failure.

Fatalitities? Since when have 3 shopping car incidents produced fatalities? I would have thought more were injured from random airbag deployments, or rupturing fuel tanks, or engine bay fires. What about the hearing loss to so many from that noisy pile of poo ecotec?

Originally Posted by burnz

3/ real warranty would be good.

Sort of like all the GEN3 owners who were told it was normal, and had to take action in the supreme court to get GMH to honour their warranties huh?

Originally Posted by burnz

4/ what options have you got?? well uummmm!!

Says the troll who overlooks air conditioning being an option on his beloved commodore. Reilly, you should try to do better, or is that Go Better?

Originally Posted by burnz

5/ when can i pick it up??????

What, you think that's a complaint? Unlike Holden, Ford don't have yards full of excess stock sitting around getting old, only to be sold at a pittance of their retail because they are really old stock. And you wonder why GMH is losing money?

Originally Posted by burnz

6/ why has my new car got rust???

Clutching at straws much? Considering one sits outside for several months and one goes right on to a truck for delivery, I wouldn't be laying the boot into ford over rust. Speaking of all things metallurgical; how many ingots was it you said Holden use to make the SIDI?

Face it burnz; one should always remove the log from ones eyes before criticising the splinter in others'.

[Chopped]

I would like to see the Falcon turned into a cross between a Commodore, a Corolla and a Hilux. This will make it able to fight all three top sellers.

I have no idea what such a vehicle would like !!


In all seriousness, I don't think they need to do anything. (Maybe stick to cars that start with "F").
Fiesta = Winner
Focus = Winner
Falcon = Winner

[DanielXR8]

LTD.
As someone who owns a Terri with rust in two different places, where it shouldn't be in a five year old car, ball joints that need replacing from what can only be considered premature and excessive wear and isn't happy with his choice of Ford dealer (no we all don't have multiple dealers to choose from). I think I am qualified to say you missed his point in your haste to bag him and all things Holden.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

LTD.
As someone who owns a Terri with rust in two different places, where it shouldn't be in a five year old car, ball joints that need replacing from what can only be considered premature and excessive wear and isn't happy with his choice of Ford dealer (no we all don't have multiple dealers to choose from). I think I am qualified to say you missed his point in your haste to bag him and all things Holden.

On the contrary.
This was supposed to be a subjective look at Ford asking customers what they want. Burnz and others saw it as an opportunity to lay the boot in with spurious accusations.
I merely highlighted the insidiousness of it all and how tit-for-tat arguments get nowhere.
As for your rust problem, it would be covered under warranty as they have a 5 or 10 year corrosion warranty.
As for your choice of dealer I'd travel to find another; perhaps even another dealership brand ie toyota, mazda etc. Ford still honour warranty at other licenced mechanics.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by ltd

Some of the complaints here are downright stupid. Saying the interior needs to be better is dumb, the FG has the nicest interiors on the market.

I would change the cloth trim in the XR's. They went from a fantastic design in the B-series, to the what they have in the FG that is quite ordinary (I've had a fair few agree). I've also noticed the XR trim the dealers are buying are all black (no more blue & black, red & black, white & black) I think its because its a lot easier to sell. In terms of the dash the FG is great.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by ltd

We make an offer to ford USA; for every 10 falcons we send over, send over 1 mustang.

Funnily enough, for every anti-ford comment there is a litany of spelling and grammatical errors; methinks some of these people may not actually ever have enough money to buy a new ford.

Some of the complaints here are downright stupid. Saying the interior needs to be better is dumb, the FG has the nicest interiors on the market. Complaints about the servicing are equally intellectually bereft; you opted to go to that dealer and have the option to go to another. Seems to be for every bad one, at least two people can recommend better ones in the area of the complainant. Others want to be able to draw in its sinuous lines and nurse a chubby whilst reaching for their wallets? Try telling that to the huge number of forum goers on here who bought an FG or BA new and its looks helped them decide. Only someone who’s never been in that situation would say something that lame. These aren’t Aston Martins or Ferraris, they are a family sedan. Perhaps one might take ones limp phallus to Toyota and drink in the lines of a Camry, or TRD (whoops….. They’ve pulled out of Australia).

Facts are, for 60 grand you can buy a car with the ride and comfort of a 150 grand euro sedan, whilst blowing it away on acceleration and performance. Ford do a great job considering the market they’re in; especially considering the ignorant nimrods and bogans they have to contend with.

Good post. Seems like some so called Ford fans can't help but take constant digs at the company, when it makes the best large sedan in the market today, as has been proven by numerous road tests. Seems like best in class just isn't good enough, because it isn't perfect in the eyes of every person in the country. You can't please everybody, when are some of these clowns going to realise that.

People never stopped bitching about Fords quality, they have improved it massively and become best in class in terms of TGW's with the FG, but people still can't stop bitching about it. No wonder Ford can't outsell the Commodore when its so called supporters constantly slag off the brand to anyone who'll listen. Sheesh. :

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Good post. Seems like some so called Ford fans can't help but take constant digs at the company, when it makes the best large sedan in the market today, as has been proven by numerous road tests. Seems like best in class just isn't good enough, because it isn't perfect in the eyes of every person in the country. You can't please everybody, when are some of these clowns going to realise that.

People never stopped bitching about Fords quality, they have improved it massively and become best in class in terms of TGW's with the FG, but people still can't stop bitching about it. No wonder Ford can't outsell the Commodore when its so called supporters constantly slag off the brand to anyone who'll listen. Sheesh. :

Boss, my only dig at the FG is that while the XR and G Series look good,
Ford need to improve the XT's appearance to give buyers three completely
different aesthetically pleasing styles. Instead of sports (XR), Luxury (G) and
workman (XT), Ford needs to change the latter to something that appeals to
the private buyer as well as fleets - something with a green appeal.

Maybe "Econetic" or E-Series: I-4 Ecoboost, plus the LILPG I-6 and.... maybe Territory's V6 Diesel?

[ieatsports_cars]

this is your chance on your view about the falcon being dumped !

[jpd80]

E8 is staying until 2015, why on earth would we need to have a view...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Boss, my only dig at the FG is that while the XR and G Series look good,
Ford need to improve the XT's appearance to give buyers three completely
different aesthetically pleasing styles. Instead of sports (XR), Luxury (G) and
workman (XT), Ford needs to change the latter to something that appeals to
the private buyer as well as fleets - something with a green appeal.

Maybe "Econetic" or E-Series: I-4 Ecoboost, plus the LILPG I-6 and.... maybe Territory's V6 Diesel?

But Ford don't want private buyers to buy XT's, they would rather them stump up some extra cash for the classier G6, which is happening. Having a big style difference between XT and G6 might just be Fords trick to lure buyers up the range.

Probably also why the last 2 SVP's have been the G6 Limited Editions, not XT based SR's or Classics etc.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

But Ford don't want private buyers to buy XT's, they would rather them stump up some extra cash for the classier G6, which is happening. Having a big style difference between XT and G6 might just be Fords trick to lure buyers up the range.

Probably also why the last 2 SVP's have been the G6 Limited Editions, not XT based SR's or Classics etc.

Exactly. It's not about the numbers of cars you sell, it's about making a profit.
Selling 400,000 cars at cost or at a loss is not better than selling 300,000 cars at a profit. That's why Holden have made a loss last year; especially given the heavy profits available on the imported daewoo's. Ostensibly, the Daewoo's have been sibsidising the commodores.

I'd rather Ford sell less cars and make a profit than a massive marketing, loss making machine that can only refine itself by using a bigger engine or losing power on existing engines. Who cares that they have better marketing than Ford, they made a 200 million dollar loss last year so each one of those commodores sold had a heavy advertising cost placed on it. Better yet, whilst everyone speculates on the future of Falcon and the masses gobble up the dross fed to them through the meeeeeejjjaaa (media); everyone seems ignorantly distracted from GMH heading over a financial cliff. Further, now the parent is US government owned, they aren't looking at bailing out GMH anymore. So really, it's up to our own government to subsidise them, but this is not popular and thusly comes at a high political cost, so there's not much future in that either. Oh dear, Paul Gover must be shaking in his "dealies".