New Ecoboost Mustang runs 12's with a tune - Page 3

MITCHAY · 10-07-2015, 07:12 PM

Obviously cost being no barrier, you'd go the V8 but the EB4 is shaping up to be a pretty good compromise if you can even call it that IMO. I reckon it is pretty damn good value.

I'd definitely go the EB4 if that is as far as I could stretch. I've only owned 4 cyls thus far so no big deal to me.

1TUFFUTE · 10-07-2015, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

His point could be that the Xr8 has gained 50% more power where the Mustang Ecoboost has nearly 100% more power than most average 4 cylinders from back in the day

I just love that everyone's talking about POWER and SPEED and PERFORMANCE again.....not gizmos and electronics. Just as it should be for a true to the soul performance car. If you want overall package tech garbage....then there's Toyota and boring euros for that!(bit harsh but point made)

Moby Vic · 10-07-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I agree to an extent but in the mustang your paying for dynamics and style rather than fuel economy and practicality.

But you can get all of that with an EcoBoost Mustang.

2011G6E · 10-07-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

But you can get all of that with an EcoBoost Mustang.

Precisely...if you were going to buy a family car, why not something interesting that looked like that, with four cylinder running costs?

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Obviously cost being no barrier, you'd go the V8 but the EB4 is shaping up to be a pretty good compromise if you can even call it that IMO. I reckon it is pretty damn good value.

I'd definitely go the EB4 if that is as far as I could stretch. I've only owned 4 cyls thus far so no big deal to me.

I could stretch to the V8 Mustang...but I don't want to. Here in Queensland it's a major enough purchase without considering the extra cost of V8 rego which is, to be blunt, extortionate...around $500 more than a four cylinder, and while I like V8's I don't like them that much. It adds up.
Plus the ecoboost four is "interesting". A V8 one is, to be blunt, "just" a V8 Mustang. Ho-hum.
V8's are rapidly becoming old hat...I know plenty of people out here with FPV's and HSV's...but if they weren't lease cars, there's no way on Earth they say they would own a V8 if they were paying for their own rego. That's why so many "bargains" pop up around here once the lease is up...people want to move on to the next car rather than keep this one and pay for everything themselves.

I will wait and see what availablity is like next year...surely they're not going to be able to keep the one year to eighteen month lead time between paying and picking up your car...surely.
If they do I predict the Australian Mustang will go the way of the dodo in a short time...you need sales volume to keep things profitable and please the bean counters and shareholders...there's a reason we soon won't have an Australian built large car...

I'd be interested to know how many "ordinary" potential buyers as opposed to hard core, I'll-wait-any-time-needed, car buyers have turned away from a Mustang when they heard the wait time...I know I did, and have heard first hand from several other people at work so far who said, as we did, "Oh...bugger that", and started asking about other cars on the lot.

SumoDog68 · 10-07-2015, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Precisely...if you were going to buy a family car, why not something interesting that looked like that, with four cylinder running costs?

I could stretch to the V8 Mustang...but I don't want to. Here in Queensland it's a major enough purchase without considering the extra cost of V8 rego which is, to be blunt, extortionate...around $500 more than a four cylinder, and while I like V8's I don't like them that much. It adds up.
Plus the ecoboost four is "interesting". A V8 one is, to be blunt, "just" a V8 Mustang. Ho-hum.
V8's are rapidly becoming old hat...I know plenty of people out here with FPV's and HSV's...but if they weren't lease cars, there's no way on Earth they say they would own a V8 if they were paying for their own rego. That's why so many "bargains" pop up around here once the lease is up...people want to move on to the next car rather than keep this one and pay for everything themselves.

I will wait and see what availablity is like next year...surely they're not going to be able to keep the one year to eighteen month lead time between paying and picking up your car...surely.
If they do I predict the Australian Mustang will go the way of the dodo in a short time...you need sales volume to keep things profitable and please the bean counters and shareholders...there's a reason we soon won't have an Australian built large car...

I'd be interested to know how many "ordinary" potential buyers as opposed to hard core, I'll-wait-any-time-needed, car buyers have turned away from a Mustang when they heard the wait time...I know I did, and have heard first hand from several other people at work so far who said, as we did, "Oh...bugger that", and started asking about other cars on the lot.

I don't agree that V8's are becoming old hat. V8s are still a pinnacle of performance engines. Boosted 4 while delivering fantastic performance for what it is will never be a V8 replacement . There is a reason that Ecoboost feeds synthetic engine sound into the cabin through speakers. Engine sound is standard in V8 but you pay more for it in rego ,fuel or insurance. For some it is worth it and for some it is not.
Barra turbo is not a good comparison to Mustang situation as it is a big six and not a four cyl turbo four. How many Ecoboost Falcons do you see around ?
V8s are just going to become a more exclusive option in Australia because of demise of affordable locally made models. It will be more of the Euro situation where many desire a V8 but only wealthy can afford to buy and run one. Mustang will along with 300 probably become the entry level V8 engine car in Australia in next couple of years.
Cost is relative to what your priorities are - I am happy to skip some of daily luxuries for a pleasure of having a V8 as a daily drive.
I am not excluding a possibility that I am a dinosaur :-)

MITCHAY · 10-07-2015, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Precisely...if you were going to buy a family car, why not something interesting that looked like that, with four cylinder running costs?

I could stretch to the V8 Mustang...but I don't want to. Here in Queensland it's a major enough purchase without considering the extra cost of V8 rego which is, to be blunt, extortionate...around $500 more than a four cylinder, and while I like V8's I don't like them that much. It adds up.
Plus the ecoboost four is "interesting". A V8 one is, to be blunt, "just" a V8 Mustang. Ho-hum.
V8's are rapidly becoming old hat...I know plenty of people out here with FPV's and HSV's...but if they weren't lease cars, there's no way on Earth they say they would own a V8 if they were paying for their own rego. That's why so many "bargains" pop up around here once the lease is up...people want to move on to the next car rather than keep this one and pay for everything themselves.

I will wait and see what availablity is like next year...surely they're not going to be able to keep the one year to eighteen month lead time between paying and picking up your car...surely.
If they do I predict the Australian Mustang will go the way of the dodo in a short time...you need sales volume to keep things profitable and please the bean counters and shareholders...there's a reason we soon won't have an Australian built large car...

I'd be interested to know how many "ordinary" potential buyers as opposed to hard core, I'll-wait-any-time-needed, car buyers have turned away from a Mustang when they heard the wait time...I know I did, and have heard first hand from several other people at work so far who said, as we did, "Oh...bugger that", and started asking about other cars on the lot.

I get what you're saying but If I could afford the V8 I'd definitely go for it. $500/yr extra rego would not be a deciding point for me. I pay nearly $1k for a 13yr old WRX as it is now.

I have always wanted a V8, I'm just trying to figure which one these days with the choices

But I reckon the EB4 will be well and truly up there. A lot of potential, the only thing it lacks is the V8 sound.

LeadFoot81 · 11-07-2015, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

I don't agree that V8's are becoming old hat. V8s are still a pinnacle of performance engines. Boosted 4 while delivering fantastic performance for what it is will never be a V8 replacement . There is a reason that Ecoboost feeds synthetic engine sound into the cabin through speakers. Engine sound is standard in V8 but you pay more for it in rego ,fuel or insurance. For some it is worth it and for some it is not.
Barra turbo is not a good comparison to Mustang situation as it is a big six and not a four cyl turbo four. How many Ecoboost Falcons do you see around ?
V8s are just going to become a more exclusive option in Australia because of demise of affordable locally made models. It will be more of the Euro situation where many desire a V8 but only wealthy can afford to buy and run one. Mustang will along with 300 probably become the entry level V8 engine car in Australia in next couple of years.
Cost is relative to what your priorities are - I am happy to skip some of daily luxuries for a pleasure of having a V8 as a daily drive.
I am not excluding a possibility that I am a dinosaur :-)

There's nothing synthetic about EcoBoost sound. There's a bit of plastic pipe feeding real sound into the cabin, so enthusiasts get a nice sound without worrying about getting done for noise pollution. If you want more sound, Chuck an exhaust on.They sound quite nice.

I love V8s but agree the world is moving on. People aren't settling for other engine types, they're embracing them as legitimate ways to access power/speed. Look at the Ford GT halo car, now a TTV6.

G RUSH · 11-07-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

There's nothing synthetic about EcoBoost sound. There's a bit of plastic pipe feeding real sound into the cabin, so enthusiasts get a nice sound without worrying about getting done for noise pollution. If you want more sound, Chuck an exhaust on.They sound quite nice.

I love V8s but agree the world is moving on. People aren't settling for other engine types, they're embracing them as legitimate ways to access power/speed. Look at the Ford GT halo car, now a TTV6.

EB mustangs actually do come with Active Noise Control via the stereo, effectively cancelling out undesired tones to make it sound nice. You can pull a fuse to disable but the stereo also goes quiet.

The V8 has the sound tube poking into the cabin to add a bit of intake drama.

SumoDog68 · 11-07-2015, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

There's nothing synthetic about EcoBoost sound. There's a bit of plastic pipe feeding real sound into the cabin, so enthusiasts get a nice sound without worrying about getting done for noise pollution. If you want more sound, Chuck an exhaust on.They sound quite nice.

I love V8s but agree the world is moving on. People aren't settling for other engine types, they're embracing them as legitimate ways to access power/speed. Look at the Ford GT halo car, now a TTV6.

http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-ford-mu...ise-1638853878

SpoolMan · 11-07-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I just love that everyone's talking about POWER and SPEED and PERFORMANCE again.

I was having a chat last week to Autotech Engineering, there purchasing 2 Mustangs for purely performance development and there not forgetting about 4 cyl ecoboost customers, there waiting delivery on a 4 cyl and a V8.

XtRmn8 · 11-07-2015, 12:03 PM

.....bit off topic but still relevant.

500rwhp EcoBoost Mustang running Precision turbo pushing 29psi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoNftuJ2Nzs

Sound pretty good on the dyno starting at 3:55

Moby Vic · 11-07-2015, 12:41 PM

So why aren't any Aussies whingeing about not getting the V6 model? That's our base car.

LeadFoot81 · 11-07-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-ford-mu...ise-1638853878

My bad, the ST EcoBoosts have an old timey plastic pipe.

However from that Jalopnik article:

"We don't create an artificial sound, we don't pluck one off the shelf, we bring in the real sound, process it, and play it through the car's speakers."

At the end of the day mate go buy a v8, I'll get an EcoBoost and we'll both be happy in our pony cars.

blackf6 · 11-07-2015, 02:17 PM

Eco boost stang. Just doesn't seem like a muscle car. A good tuner though.

4stanger · 11-07-2015, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

It's something new for the motoring public here and I wonder how many "casual" sales they are missing out on because of this? I mean people who as I said are used to walking and and driving out with their purchase.

Could it be "responsible planning for the future" as opposed to "got to have it now"?
I knew of the cut off point to put down a deposit for the "1st batch" for March this year here on this forum.
I was waying up waiting for these to appear on the used car market at a lower price, but I am not getting younger to open the door and stoop down into a low riding stang, for whenever that happens.
So I put down the deposit in March, plan to save heaps while waiting, as the last update I got was mine was coming December this year, if this all comes true, that will be a 9 month wait, like having a baby

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If this sways you towards purchasing one, let Anchor know I sent you, so I can put the commi$$ion towards my stang

**Polyal** · 12-07-2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

But you can get all of that with an EcoBoost Mustang.

A two door coupe is not practical. You can try and twist it but when you have more than two people folding the seats back all the time is a pain.

Moby Vic · 12-07-2015, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

A two door coupe is not practical. You can try and twist it but when you have more than two people folding the seats back all the time is a pain.

The fuel economy is practical. And the Mustang has more room than an FR-S or BRZ.

I thought we were talking about four vs. eight cylinders here? A Mustang GT only has two doors, also.

**Polyal** · 12-07-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

The fuel economy is practical. And the Mustang has more room than an FR-S or BRZ.

I thought we were talking about four vs. eight cylinders here? A Mustang GT only has two doors, also.

Practicality has nothing to do with fuel economy. Doesnt matter if it has more room than a GT86 they are obviously both coupe. The practicality comparison was against a hatch (referring to buyers cross shopping).

2011G6E · 12-07-2015, 08:51 AM

Another fairly new thing for the ordinary Australian motorist...even enthusiasts...

How many of you buy a brand new car completely sight unseen, before even putting your bum in the drivers seat much less test driving one...?

I mean if you have your heart set on, say, a HSV or FPV of some sort, you can take a Falcon or Commodore for a drive and get a good idea of what it's going to be like (apart from performance details of course), but even with those they usually have a couple sitting in the showroom to try.

If I had done the same with the Focus ST we looked at, we'd be in serious trouble. We loved the ST, and were half on our way to considering buying one just from the specs and the look of it and the details...until I sat in it. Correction...tried to sit in it. I am not a jockey, so that seat was hopelessly deeply bolstered. If they hadn't had an ST, and we'd signed up for one "sight unseen", we'd be in trouble. As with a friend of our son who purchased one on order before trying it out (he lives in Dubai), it would be off to somewhere to order a drivers sport seat that actually fit me...

Not a lot of people buy a car before even seeing it, much less driving it...not those of us who plan on using it like a normal car instead of polishing it in the driveway...

The Monty · 12-07-2015, 09:38 AM

That 500hp stang sounds mint.

nstg8a · 12-07-2015, 10:25 AM

No way could I buy a new car without test driving at least a demo first.

As said above, new models can be vastly different to previous ones.

2011G6E · 12-07-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

That 500hp stang sounds mint.

It does.

But the ecoboost is a good thing too and moving with the times and modern technology, and really, who would look out in his driveway at a new Mustang ecoboost and think "that's really sad...I only have 320hp under the hood..."

pottery beige · 12-07-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

It does.

But the ecoboost is a good thing too and moving with the times and modern technology, and really, who would look out in his driveway at a new Mustang ecoboost and think "that's really sad...I only have 320hp under the hood..."

stezza up it sounds mucho better

MAGPIE · 12-07-2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

Eco boost stang. Just doesn't seem like a muscle car. A good tuner though.

Ecoboost Mustang isn't a muscle car, the GT is the muscle car.

The Ecoboost is a great alternative to the GT and a different market segment and for those around the world who are penalised for cubic capacity.

pottery beige · 12-07-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Ecoboost Mustang isn't a muscle car, the GT is the muscle car.

The Ecoboost is a great alternative to the GT and a different market segment and for those around the world who are penalis
ed for cubic capacity.

HV6MOUAO

hairdressing V6 monaro owners united as one

2011G6E · 12-07-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

HV6MOUAO

hairdressing V6 monaro owners united as one

Penalized for capacity "Around the world...or, as I said, "Queensland"...

Another point...if they have such a loooooong lead time between paying and receiving, then how do they deal with one niggling problem no one seems to be addressing, seeing as how you are expected to pay a deposit now and pick it up more than a year from now...

"How do you trade in your current car against a Mustang...?"

4stanger · 12-07-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

"How do you trade in your current car against a Mustang...?"

Money up front deposit. No trade negotiating, until Mustang is here.
or so I was told.

2011G6E · 12-07-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnaldo

Money up front deposit. No trade negotiating, until Mustang is here.
or so I was told.

Really? I didn't even think to ask about it in the dealership.

Yet another reason a lot of people will walk away from the idea of getting a Mustang. Guess that keeps the people happy who want it to be "exclusive and rare" instead of a normal everyday car...presumably so they can primp and preen with their chest out and say "look at me, I own a Mustang" without the horrifying danger of boilermaker Fred Dagg next door buying one as a second car and then daring not to wash it more than twice a month!!!!

Eaturbo · 12-07-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Penalized for capacity "Around the world...or, as I said, "Queensland"...

Another point...if they have such a loooooong lead time between paying and receiving, then how do they deal with one niggling problem no one seems to be addressing, seeing as how you are expected to pay a deposit now and pick it up more than a year from now...

"How do you trade in your current car against a Mustang...?"

That's not a problem and has been going on for years with long weights on a lot of sort after new models. You are still using the trade in and getting value out of it so they just put an approx value based on depreciation rates and you give them the approx kms you think it will have. This is subject to the condition at delivery. I've seen it done heaps when I was working at dealerships and never seen a problem. If your not happy come delivery time than you get your deposit back and the next happy customer get your car.

Sabantien · 12-07-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

So why aren't any Aussies whingeing about not getting the V6 model? That's our base car.

It costs more to register a V6, so we'd end up paying more for the base model V6 than the higher specced EB4?

I think also we tend to not get the top stuff, so missing out on the base model is a nice change.