The Next Ford Falcon - Page 3

BDA074 · 20-01-2013, 08:34 AM

Am hoping the next Falcon takes on the new Mondeo fron end.
Adds that Aston Martin sophistication.

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 09:53 AM

Holding pattern til the US 2013 Ford Fusion in 2016 is my guess.
Even BMW have started down the FWD road in spite of having said 'over their dead body......'

jpd80 · 20-01-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

Holding pattern til the US 2013 Ford Fusion in 2016 is my guess.
Even BMW have started down the FWD road in spite of having said 'over their dead body......'

Or it could be that the cost of evolving Falcon and Territory for such a small market is relatively cheap compared to
the alternative costs of closing down production and spending cash developing low run unique versions of existing
US vehicles further complicating their production lines..remember we're talking about two vehicles here, not one.

Road_Warrior · 20-01-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwil

With the FU falcon due next year, how long before we start seeing prototypes driven on the road?

Orion mules started turning up on public roads about 12 months out from launch, so if you polish the crystal ball and assume that the FH or FU Falcon as we like to call it will be slated for an early 2014 release, mules in full camo should start turning up soon. It may be even less now with the full virtual design and build capability Broady now has.

There are systems and drivetrain mules out and about now I would say, but they are hiding in plain sight because they would be using FG or FGII cars for this purpose.

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Originally Posted by ryeman

Holding pattern til the US 2013 Ford Fusion in 2016 is my guess.
Even BMW have started down the FWD road in spite of having said 'over their dead body......'

The Falcon is not being considered as part of CD4.3 program development. That's next gen Toreass and Lincoln MKS (D568) in case you were wondering.

fou_bleu · 20-01-2013, 04:27 PM

And the FWD BMW in development is only the 1er GT, just FYI...

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4RD4TW

And the FWD BMW in development is only the 1er GT, just FYI...

Their first toe in the water...

Bobman · 20-01-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

Their first toe in the water...

I disagree.

The future in automotive is and should be heading to all-wheel-drive applications as opposed to front wheel drive. I believe there is still a strong passion for all things rear wheel drive as well.

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 05:22 PM

Possibly up to the 3 series.....4wd if fuel consumption is not a priority..

Joe5619 · 20-01-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Orion mules started turning up on public roads about 12 months out from launch, so if you polish the crystal ball and assume that the FH or FU Falcon as we like to call it will be slated for an early 2014 release, mules in full camo should start turning up soon. It may be even less now with the full virtual design and build capability Broady now has.

There are systems and drivetrain mules out and about now I would say, but they are hiding in plain sight because they would be using FG or FGII cars for this purpose.

The Falcon is not being considered as part of CD4.3 program development. That's next gen Toreass and Lincoln MKS (D568) in case you were wondering.

I thought it was penciled in for qtr 4, 2014?

TC200six · 20-01-2013, 06:00 PM

There would be mules getting around already. You just can't tell because they would be using the existing exterior.

Maybe a little later in the year spy photos will start appearing on sites like caradvice.com.au of mules with the new front end with car bras over them.

Bobman · 20-01-2013, 06:11 PM

Won't it just be a minor styling update?

In that case, we might not see all that much. Even the VF Commodore doesn't have any decent spy / mule pics and the release is only a few months away!

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 06:32 PM

To be realistic, expect an update of the existing, probably no longer paralleling Holden's strategy of large RWD cos Ford don't have an export strategy for it, another example of Ford Detroit's lack of genuine commitment to Oz continuing its unique vehicle, not sad, BLOODY TRAGIC

FPV GTHO · 20-01-2013, 06:34 PM

Where are they going to export and make money with the dollar where it is?

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Where are they going to export and make money with the dollar where it is?

No export history, strong dollar, game over and if in doubt, check the sales graph...

fou_bleu · 20-01-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

Their first toe in the water...

Life isn't a constant slippery slope, despite how some people like to carry on - there is plenty of scope for RWD and AWD platforms well into the future.

NX74205 · 20-01-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA074

Am hoping the next Falcon takes on the new Mondeo fron end.
Adds that Aston Martin sophistication.

I'm hoping it doesnt. I'd rather it looks more like the current Focus at the front than the next Mondeo. I hate the Aston Martin grille with the badge on the bonnet. It's fine for a low riding sports car like the Aston Martin, but it's out of place on a Falcon (or a Mondeo, or a Focus ST, or the Fiesta for that matter). If they're going to have that big mouth grille, at least make that the lower grille like the current FG2 arrangement.

But I guess it's just me ...

ryeman · 20-01-2013, 08:25 PM

'Well into the future'

And the Germans know it

spvd02 · 20-01-2013, 09:33 PM

Hopefully some further economy improvements to the I6. Not sure how far they've progressed with zero-throttle fuel cut-off (cyl cut or something like that?), but in the SY Territory I currently drive there's definitely room for improvement here.

Any economy improvement is good, as long as it doesn't become horrible to drive as a result.

malazn mafia · 21-01-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

Hopefully some further economy improvements to the I6. Not sure how far they've progressed with zero-throttle fuel cut-off (cyl cut or something like that?), but in the SY Territory I currently drive there's definitely room for improvement here.

Any economy improvement is good, as long as it doesn't become horrible to drive as a result.

FG has zero throttle fuel cut off. Also cruising at 100 on a slight decline the instant econ drops to some amazing figure like 3.8L/100km which no falcon model prior ever did.

csv8 · 22-01-2013, 01:06 AM

It needs to be up specced so G6E is kitted like the Focus Titanium or Mondeo Titanium..
current spec levels are below luxury car expectations. That also applies to Dunnydores...
or will Ford sell the next generation Mondeo as the Falcon ?????

ryeman · 22-01-2013, 08:11 AM

Are the 2013 Fusion and Mondeo the same car for dif markets?

turbodewd · 22-01-2013, 08:58 AM

I read that the VF commodore will be shedding some weight via aluminium panels. Do we know if the Falcon will get any similar treatment??

Gobes32 · 22-01-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I read that the VF commodore will be shedding some weight via aluminium panels. Do we know if the Falcon will get any similar treatment??

I can confidently say no it will not, not for the next update anyway.

csv8 · 22-01-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

Are the 2013 Fusion and Mondeo the same car for dif markets?

Basically..yes..Fusion for America and Mondeo for everyone else..

Bonn · 22-01-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

I'm hoping it doesnt. I'd rather it looks more like the current Focus at the front than the next Mondeo. I hate the Aston Martin grille with the badge on the bonnet. It's fine for a low riding sports car like the Aston Martin, but it's out of place on a Falcon (or a Mondeo, or a Focus ST, or the Fiesta for that matter). If they're going to have that big mouth grille, at least make that the lower grille like the current FG2 arrangement.

But I guess it's just me ...

Will it be so radical?

Given the complete change from AU to BA (sans door skins) then BF to FG, it would make sense for Ford to get a bit of mileage from their investment, without excessive need to ttol up - think revamped interior, grill, possibly front panels, but the RWD/chassis/body may well be FG........

Engines - well that's another story.
Interesting to see what's on offer, or not!

ltd · 22-01-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TC200six

From the teaser shown at the Sydney Motor Show, I'm led to believe the next Falcon will look closer to this
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Not much else, maybe a few more gadgets to bring it up to date with Fords in the rest of the world. Hopefully a digital radio, blind spot detector, etc.

I WANT THAT.

What a fantastic rendition, and if it looks like that it should be popular.
I'll take a G6E-T in that with cashmere leather.

ryeman · 22-01-2013, 06:54 PM

FWD, ok?

Hawkeye84 · 24-01-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

It needs to be up specced so G6E is kitted like the Focus Titanium or Mondeo Titanium..
current spec levels are below luxury car expectations. That also applies to Dunnydores...
or will Ford sell the next generation Mondeo as the Falcon ?????

Not only that, but the styling of variants needs to be differentiated.
If ive bought a G6E i want it to look different from the XT.
Think EA GL and NA fairlane, EF GLi and NF Failane, AU forte and AU Fairlane. BF3 XT and Fairmont Ghia. FG XT and G6E.

I think the FG2 XT and G6E look too similar

Bobman · 24-01-2013, 12:14 PM

I don't know about you, but I thought the EF GLi and NF Fairlane looked more similar than the FG2 XT and G6E.

What they really need to do is calm down on the chrome and reduce the size of the gaping grille. Introduce LED lighting inside and out and most importantly have better quality plastics in the car. The AU was the last model that had a better quality plastic in the trim, compared to BA/BF/FG.

anto · 24-01-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

Not only that, but the styling of variants needs to be differentiated.
If ive bought a G6E i want it to look different from the XT.
Think EA GL and NA fairlane, EF GLi and NF Failane, AU forte and AU Fairlane. BF3 XT and Fairmont Ghia. FG XT and G6E.

I think the FG2 XT and G6E look too similar

other brands dont do anywhere near what Ford does in that respect. Look at the Commo variants, you can barely tell the difference, so I dont know that it actually helps in the sales dept to have every model looking different. They should really trim down the range and add features across the board. Sports model, luxury model and performance model all with the option of the different engine variations.
I think the days of the povo pack model are numbered, hoping they discontinue the XT and just tart up the XR variants as the base model as "percieved" value ....all the useless stuff people seem to want.