Regular Unleaded banned from July '12

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by HBWC

i call BS was just talking to one of the managers at the local bp refinery and he hasen't heard anything about it but he said America is baning 85

There is no 85 ULP in the USA, they use Pump Octane Numbers
PON 87 = 91 ULP
PON 91 = 95 ULP
PON 93 = 98 ULP

But I hear what you mean, they're actually cutting out Regular fuel?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by HBWC

i call BS was just talking to one of the managers at the local bp refinery and he hasen't heard anything about it but he said America is baning 85

maybe mean's baning E85 bio..
the oil company's have a lot of say..

[Falcman0o7]

Time to make my own fuel

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by burnz

maybe mean's baning E85 bio..
the oil company's have a lot of say..

More to do with the problems of food shortages starting to bite in poorer parts of, for example, Mexico as the government there turns over food production land to growing corn for ethanol for the USA...
http://www.bioenergywiki.net/Food-versus-fuel_debate

And little problems like this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agr...than-food.html

[music189]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Shell are also dropping their E10 pumps in Victoria.

One thing i've noticed is how expensive 95 and 98 is getting now, it used to be 4 c a litre more expensive for 95, then it was 6, then it was 8. Some are now pricing 95 at 10c a litre more expensive, when reports show it only costs around 2c a litre more to make.

Its a total scam. Totally gouging consumers to increase oil company profits.

A scam, ohhhhhh really, they wouldnt do that would they???? ( its West farmers and Woolworths) they give us an extra 8 cents a litre off with their vouchers so that we only pay the actual correct retail price these 2 companys control 80 % of the fuel retail outlets and abot 80 % of almost everything else as well its best to watch the prices and try and buy at the low point

but getting rid of 91 ron, typical NSW trying to tell the rest of Aussie what to do
& as has been stated before, try and find E10 in Vic if its not United servo, did try it when it was available and it was c***

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by HBWC

i call BS was just talking to one of the managers at the local bp refinery and he hasen't heard anything about it but he said America is baning 85

yeah well I work for BP and they phased it out of their BP owned sites, but not the private sites. And it has already happened months ago. Go into any Bp owned site and try and buy 91 ron unleaded you cant it has been replaced by e10. Plenty of sites are BP branded and still run 91 but none of the BP owned and run sites do.

[drew`SEVNT5]

Handbook for my car states 98 only, with '95 octane to be used in emergencies for less than 1/2 a tank)

So, my Shell Card gets me V-Power, and that makes me happy.

My old XR6T's handbook said 95, so that is what its fuel card got... And it was a noticable difference between it and any of the 98's.

Used Shell V-Power 'Racing' , the 100 octane with 5% ethanol in it for a period in my pre-fuel card days, and it ran fantastic.

[Smoke Pursuit]

My local BP dumped E10 and went back to plain jane 91....

I only use to use it in the XR6 NA occasionally, either when Premium was sky high or I was doing alot of kms in the one week (like a few thousand). Only run 98 in the GT...

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by teak81

Dont really understand what you mean by bottom caltex and top mobil but if you are talking about the mobil servo at moranbah i personally know the tanker drivers and i know where the fuel comes from and the mobil servo at moranbah is from bp refinery.

Yer sorry didn't add much to the fuel side of things , just that I know all the owners / workers at our local servos ...the ex actually worked at a couple of them for a few years .and the quality of fuel was dependant on the actual servo ( sorry if I was a bit misleading) I use bp at rocky with no issues . The best thing I have found as my guide to fuel is my blackbird it will let you know how good a fuel is , and it seems to run best on bp ultimate, runs like a dog on caltex .
Though diesel seems good at most . I was just adding that a lot of times its dodgy servos not dodgy fuel .

That is all my 2 cents

[martyk54]

Originally Posted by XD 351 Ute

This point is based on what facts particularly?

I'm interested to know more about this debate.

Especially considering that I've obtained better milages per tank on on the higher octane fuels - ED XR6 and ED XR8.

My point exactly. There doesn't seem to be any real credible fact for EITHER side, being the reason that this topic generates so many differing opinions and discussion. It has been reported on TV that 98 produces better economy (generally on the highway only). But not by much, especially not enough to warrant the difference in $ between 91 and 98.

Performance wise is the fallacy if you ask me. Someone said a 5.4l BA "didn't run" on 91? Rubbish. What does that even mean? I know for a fact that Ford tested that engine on 91 at the proving grounds - You Yangs (I have a family member who worked in performance and emissions for 20yrs until 2009). Sure, you can throw a car on a dyno and get a couple of extra kilowatts with a higher octane fuel, I'd still challenge anyone to be able to pick the difference blindly though. That is of course on a car recommended to use 91.

Whatever the factory recommends for a particular car is what's necessary. Anything else is pointless in my opinion, and will give only a minute change for a considerably higher price.

[falconnut]

Ill just stick to Premium

[TMC]

I doubt this will happen in WA as we don't have ethanol fuel anywhere to begin with. I run 98 and LPG anyway in my Territory and my carby XF runs like a pig on anything.

[falconnut]

Its like the Leaded Fuel ban all over again.

Cue all the over the counter 'additives' to make your ethanol fuel like 'regular petrol' lol

[Airmon]

I would probably use it if its cost reflected its decreased performance. I'm sorry but a 2% decrease in price for a fuel with 4% less energy then normal unleaded, that due to my car being older results in a 10% loss in efficiency is just useless to me.

What the bloody hell happened to freedom of choice? I don't give a rats if the Gov. wants to push renewables, removing its main alternative/competition is rubbish!

Isn't Vic at least showing some common sense for a change by reducing the amount of E10 pumps because its simply not selling?

[Gaz]

But the industry says consumers might also choose premium petrol in preference to ethanol, which might raise the price of premium fuel.

already watched the price difference over the last 5 years move slowly from

91ron - x cpl
95ron - x+6 cpl
98ron - x+10cpl

to

91ron - x cpl
95ron - x+9 cpl
98ron - x+14cpl


having said all that, I'm now on BBQ fuel anyway (but watching that creeping up!!)

[BA-XT]

The freedom of choice is an illusion. This "save the environment" grates on my nerves. If they remove 91 Ron I will be forced into 95 which I don't want to do. My falcon runs nicely on 91 ron as is. I won't touch the e10. Wife used it and most likely caused the fuel pump to fail early. Smelt awful to.

Is there actually any point running a NA BA on higher octane? I add a splash of Morely's upper cylinder lube each fill up. I'm getting 11.5L / 100km.

Next step would be gas.

[brydie76]

Meh, only run the Fiesta on 98 anyway. It is apparently E10 compatible, but the better running (haven't tested that, only experience from other cars I've driven/owned) and economy are enough for me to suck up the extra. Only have regular Caltexes and 7/11s in my area anyway, so they tend to be a bit cheaper than the Coles/Woolies Expresses (no fuel discounts though)

Do think that the corn would be better put to use as aid for developing nations though IMO. After seeing the damage done to a high school friends car from E10 (fuel system needed complete overhaul and partial replacement), I really can't see any advantages to putting it in fuel.

[vhcbm]

Originally Posted by AWD Chaser

I run 98 in the HSV, but am trying to find a United that has 100...

http://www.unitedpetroleum.com.au/st...ls/Premium-100

there's the list of stores with it available.

[babyf6]

I konw someone who had a BA SR mk1 and it ruined everything containing the word fuel. It only lasted 50 km before it did this and had the take off speed of my headland bomb (1983 hilux 0-100k in 2minutes and quatermile time of 1min 37sec)

[cupic]

This is set for the Courts.As NSW is to go it alone while other states can sell ULP.This sounds like restrictive trading !

lawyers start charging


cheers

[Powdered Toast Man]

cupics last post answered my query. I was wondering if this is only NSW as I havent seen E10 at any servo I've used over the last few years. Thats BPs, Mobils, Uniteds, Caltexs and independants. They all have 91 which is what I use in my BA.

[mistermxer]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

On older cars with adjustable timing, couldn't you advance the timing a little bit to take advantage?

Originally Posted by XD 351 Ute

Certainly can Big Damo, and that's sort of the point I was making to my quoted message......

more info, interested to know ?

[ivorya]

You'll also find that the stickers at the servo's say ' contains up to 10% ethanol'. This is now here as they can't keep up ethanol production to guarantee the full 10%.
One servo here in newcastle (a while ago)had a sticker over the E10 appologizing to customers, that their fuel didn't have ethanol added, therefore, it was regular unleaded.

I, personally don't know why there are so many complaint's here.
Most of you, no matter what, will run premium.
There's probably a large % that have work fuel cards (doe's this affect you?? prob. not. )

One thing that has been proven, is the benifits to smog reduction around major cities. Rio etc. Maybe Gov's could have just implemented this in the cities instead?

[No.6]

trying to force what kind of petrol people should use is utter crap. What difference will it make? most people on 91 that have *some* knowledge of cars will be forced to upgrade to 95 rather than run e10. Why cant they have all the options there? Have 1 row with 91,95,98 another with diesel,lpg, e10?

[XD 351 Ute]

Originally Posted by mistermxer

more info, interested to know ?

I used to have to adjust the timing on my old XE V8 regularly as the fuel we had at the time wasn't always the best.

Truth be known it was probably more to do with my engine's compression ratio than the fuel, but it's easily done if you have access to a dyno.

My old adjust and test method was a pain in the backside...

Ed

[Cobramad]

Reminds me of the change from standard/super fuel to unleaded/premuim unleaded.. Early premium unleaded had significant amounts of additives, including Toluene, which wreaked havoc with the older carby engined vehicles that were the majority of vehicles on the road at the time, dissolving older fuel hoses and causing heaps of fires and breakdowns. Most of those early vehicles could not tolerate unleaded so the owners were forced to use premium unleaded. RAC had a field day rescuing those poor unfortunates.
Over time, the older vehicles gradually disappeared and the issues became no more. Foisting E10 on those who use unleaded fuel, which I would guess would probably make up at least 60-70% (someone help me out here?) of total unleaded fuel useage is just wrong!

[cupic]

Originally Posted by No.6

trying to force what kind of petrol people should use is utter crap. What difference will it make? most people on 91 that have *some* knowledge of cars will be forced to upgrade to 95 rather than run e10. Why cant they have all the options there? Have 1 row with 91,95,98 another with diesel,lpg, e10?

Sometimes common sense is shown the backdoor


cheers

[Cúl-Báire]

Hot off the press... http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...ed-petrol-ban/

The NSW government has axed plans to ban regular unleaded petrol from July 1.


Premier Barry O'Farrell announced on Monday night that his cabinet had dumped the ban, which would have seen the fuel replaced with a 10 per cent ethanol blend, Fairfax reported.


The O'Farrell government was warned the ban could lead to higher petrol
prices, in part because of rising ethanol costs.


There were also predictions that 746,000 cars and 92,000 motorbikes would not run on the ethanol blend fuel, forcing owners to buy more expensive premium brand unleaded.


"Motorists already pay enough for petrol and I am not going to force people
into buying more expensive premium petrol to run their cars," Mr O'Farrell told The Sydney Morning Herald.


NSW passed laws in 2009 to raise ethanol percentages in petrol.
The decision was designed to make fuel more environmentally friendly and encourage development of the state's ethanol industry.

[aussie muscle]

i never use e10. if e10 was so good, they wouldn't need to ban 91 to force people to use e10 instead.

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Good. Then the enviro-nazis might see once and for all the results of thier wishes, that being a massive backlash against them and any other "green" initiative..

people are getting so many 'green' messages that it's easy to get mixed up. ethanol was intended to reduce reliance on middle eastern oil and reduce our consumption of our own reserves. it has little to do with 'enviromental' considerations (although that doesn't stop some from spewing such nonsense). i''m surprised there hasn't been a 'green revolt'.

Originally Posted by bigdude1011

I thought 91 octane ULP was already banned in NSW - when I go to Sydney, I can only get E10 from the servos.
.

Not banned, just subsidised. they got one to use e10 instead of 91, so they started selling that, and didn't pass on the subsidy. now guess why nsw is banning 91? (Hint, get rid of subsidy but still get people to use e10).

[BradXR8]

Ethanol is utter rubbish and should be made illegal to sell... Infact remove all emissions laws, all the power sucking pollution gear from cars and bring back leaded fuel