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15-04-2010, 11:44 AM | #61 | ||
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This is an interesting article that my wife is taking to the Cleveland Casting Plant here in Ohio tomorrow. It is slated to be closed in December. Ford stated they are getting out of the casting business in the US.
It's interesting that Ford has found these great ideas to implement in Australia to reduce enviromental impact. I think they are great moves. Funny how they were not mentioned for the Cleveland facility, though they did just recently get an some award. Here in the US it seems plants get awards just before they close them down. Ironic. There are two BRAND NEW cupola furnaces sitting in the back lot at Ford that were purchsed to replace the original furnaces (1950's) to update the plant for enviromental purposes and efficiency. Then Ford announced they were getting out of the casting business in the US and now the two mega-buck furnaces sit rusting outside. It would seem they could put these things in, be current with pollution requirements, and implement the Geelong plans here too.......but instead they would rather cast parts in Mexico. Steve
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15-04-2010, 12:06 PM | #62 | ||
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Well I guess doing it that way Ford can dodge the stringent US environmental regulations relating to heavy industries and instead make engines in countries that aren't as strict with those types of manufacturing facilities.
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15-04-2010, 12:36 PM | #63 | ||
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a V6 open up the door for export, paticuly the FWD market.
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15-04-2010, 12:42 PM | #64 | ||
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This is good news, just not the 'great news' that I think alot of people were expecting. The Diesel block mis-interpretation was a positive sign that maybe there is hope for automotive manufacturing in Australia into the second half of this decade - until it turned out that it was a mis-quote.
Not saying that Australian auto manufacturing's demise is inevitable but it certainly is in a precarious position and any glimmer of hope, Aussie Auto enthusiasts will latch onto. At the core of the uncertaintity, Australian Ford enthusiasts want the following questions answered: 1. Will there be a Falcon post-2015? 2. Will it be FWD or RWD? 3. Will it still be manufactured in Australia? I guess that the answers, to some of these questions at least, will be answered next year.
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15-04-2010, 01:15 PM | #65 | |||
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15-04-2010, 01:26 PM | #66 | ||
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Is that the release at the start of this thread, or a different release?
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15-04-2010, 01:58 PM | #67 | |||
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15-04-2010, 02:02 PM | #68 | |||
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15-04-2010, 02:14 PM | #70 | ||
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Paxton - I think the media release is wrong.
All the talk was about the green upgrades to the plant and new brake castings. They went to the effort of setting up displays of the brake discs etc, but not a mention or direct quote about diesel casting?? I think they got a couple of words on that release in the wrong spot. |
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15-04-2010, 02:20 PM | #71 | ||
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http://minister.innovation.gov.au/Ca...ONFIDENCE.aspx
Kim Carr's release still manages to mince the diesel/petrol engine together but seems to make it clearer that only the I6 is being cast in Geelong.
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15-04-2010, 02:57 PM | #72 | |||
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Obviously, the casting plant isn't properly equipped for casting CGI, and Ford won't be spending anything on the motor, or getting the plant ready to cast it.
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15-04-2010, 03:13 PM | #73 | ||
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Yep it is basically saying the the I6 petrol blocks will be cast for the petrol and diesel Territory. Basically Marketing is using the press release as another opportunity to advertise the fact that the Territory will have diesel variants.
Didnt any of these Marketing types know that a good media release should be perfectly clear and should only have to be read once. |
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15-04-2010, 05:24 PM | #74 | |||
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15-04-2010, 05:46 PM | #75 | |||
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and not be completely dependent on the I-6 for sole income generation. It is still possible that Ford is preparing the plant for sale down the track once production and returns from Bosch are established, maybe 2015 is looming large... |
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15-04-2010, 05:47 PM | #76 | |||
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There will be NO DIESEL BLOCKS cast in Australia.... period. There will be NO V6 diesel engine assembly in Australia, it will be 'brought in' 'fully built up' from the Uk. The release must have been written by a co-op student The release is wrong - I will eat my car if I am not correct... |
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15-04-2010, 05:48 PM | #77 | |||
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It is common knowledge in the industry that FoA are trying to sell the Casting Plant. Casting is seen as a 'non-core' business.. |
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15-04-2010, 05:52 PM | #78 | |||
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with income independent of Ford sometime around 2012-2013. Ford will leap to the defense of the I-6 but if you look closely the maneuvering to use other engines has already started and will accelerate in the next few years. |
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15-04-2010, 06:05 PM | #79 | ||
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The level of investment required to tool up the plant to produce the diesel engine would exceed the amount of money that has been quoted anyway.
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15-04-2010, 06:18 PM | #80 | |||
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Just remember Ford isn't the only company doing this.
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15-04-2010, 09:41 PM | #82 | |||
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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010...heir-way-19035
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17-04-2010, 09:42 AM | #83 | |||
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And to add to the question about CGI, the plant does have the production equipment and processes to make CGI. The plant made CGI exhaust manifold for decades until 2005 when volume constraints saw them outsourced. The plant still produces SGI for crankshafts. |
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17-04-2010, 04:35 PM | #84 | |||
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All the new guys in my area are first timers. They have hired on at least 3 seperate occasions this year, so the jobs are there. They would not advertise some jobs as they must have a heap of job applications sitting there in the employment office to choose from. Its not hard for them to find workers. If you want a job go into the employment office and fill in a job application, if they want you they will call you when they become available. |
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17-04-2010, 04:52 PM | #85 | ||
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Just a question about production line, whats it like working on it? Whats involved?
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18-04-2010, 01:59 PM | #86 | ||
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Fairly repetitive. Pays ok.
Basically involves adding bits to the engine via airtools etc. If your good with your hands its fairly easy, but most of the jobs seem to be going to the stamping plant lately. |
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19-04-2010, 05:34 PM | #87 | |||
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Stamping plant is not too bad, you have the opportunity to move around a lot more and not be stuck in the same place. Having said that, stamping plant is a lot harder work as in lifting, etc. Show a bit of smarts and they will pay for you to do your doggers ticket, forklift, etc. Some people might suggest stamping is more dangerous but that could be said with any place where you are working with sheet metal........ Very sharp. The bottom line is that Ford are a good company to work for with the opportunity to take home a good wage if you are willing to work overtime.
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19-04-2010, 07:35 PM | #88 | |||
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I'm on $7.05 an hour at the moment... What I'd like to do is if possible, work at Ford Australia, in any position and see if I can transfer to a dealership position as an apprentice mechanic to make me look more appropriate for the job, having some experience behind me at Ford. |
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19-04-2010, 07:46 PM | #89 | ||
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I can imagine working as an apprentice at a Ford dealer might change you opinion on Fords in general.
Also you will probably earn more at the Factory than what you ever could as a mechanic (unless you're a specialist and own your own workshop)
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