W.A Police Now How XR6-Turbos

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Ok, OK, all this talk of speed and how fast they can and can't go, depending on day time or nightime etc, well heres a thought to ponder...
If you're travelling at night at the speed of light in your UFO with your headlights on, can you see where your going?

LOL. Good point.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by 3

: :. I doubt it would be more than a second. Like you, I'm a good magazine/google "searcher". Stat-wise: The BA turbo (manual) does 80-120 in 4.0 seconds according to wheels. The XT/Futura does it in about 4.7 (wheels mag). Hardly "several seconds" as you put it. Also, did you know that the BA XT 4spd auto does not kick down to 1st when you floor it from 80kph? If it did it would be quicker.

Wheels Road Tests Annual 2006 -

BF XR6 Six-Speed Auto - Drive - 80-120km/h: 4.9 sec
BF Fairmont Ghia V8 Six-Speed Auto - Drive - 0-120km/h: 4.5 sec

Wheels May 2006 -

BF Futura Four-Speed Auto - Drive - 80-120km/h: 4.7 sec

Wheels June 2006 -

BF XR6 Turbo Six-Speed Manual - Third - 80-120km/h: 4.0 sec

Wheels October 2002 -

BA XR6 Turbo Five-Speed Manual - Third - 80-120km/h: 4.1 sec

Those are just the issues I know they drove XR6 Turbo's in, for some comparative times.

Oh, the reason the BA XT 4spd auto doesn't kick down to 1st at 80km/h is because the maximum speed in first gear is 88km/h @ 6000rpm... obviously the software is designed not to do this as it would introduce a needless gearshift (slows the car down) for minimal gain. If it could do something like 100km/h in first... then it might be beneficial for an 80-120km/h roll.

Needless to say, an auto XR6 Turbo would be at least five tenths infront of a 6-cyl XT 80-120km/h, which is a significant amount. May not seem so on paper, but in the real world, its slaughter.

Now if you're talking manual times (held in certain gears), the higher the gear, the wider the gap between them, and in 5th and 6th, the gap is several seconds XR6 Turbo to XT. Which, while not a realistic scenario, highlights the massive difference in power between the two.

Originally Posted by 3

It's clear you haven't either by what you are saying. :

XT to XR6 Turbo, no, I've never had the pleasure of comparing them. BAII XR6 N/A to VY SS I have seen though, and the 465Nm @ 4400rpm V8 Holden leaves the 380Nm @ 3000rpm I6 Ford for dead any gear, any revs, period. Now imagine an XR6 Turbo, which has 480Nm @ 2000-4250rpm as a BF and more torque at 1000rpm then the XT makes at peak. How do you think that would turn out? Car lengths apart.

[XR8-260]

I don't disagree with what you are saying but that wasn't the point of the discussion. Don't get me wrong the NA 6 is no match for the turbo in even conditions. As we can see from the figures: the turbo does 80-120 roughly about 0.7 seconds faster - which is a significant advantage but not nearly the "several seconds" that you alluded to.

However, in the scenario, I mentioned that the most motorists would be able to see the cop car coming up from roughly 70-100m away and would have a significant head start advantage. As I said, the culprit would most likely be doing 110kph - 120kph in the first place (placing him at a great advantage). Assuming that the call-off speeds are around the 130-140kph mark the copper will have to back off once those speeds are reached. Given these circumstances, the turbo would not be able to intercept the XT before it reaches 130kph. Remember that the XT is likely to be travelling at 120kph in the first place and only needs to accelerate to 130/140kph, plus it has the 70-100m advantage, the manual turbo may also need to downshift to 3rd - taking up precious time. Even the turbo's 0.7 sec advatange from 80-120 probably won't be enough in this case. Even if the turbo did manage to get along side the culprit I don't think any PIT maneuvers would be performed at 120+ kph with other traffic around.

There is no way of legally attempting this exact scenario (private road maybe) so we can only make an educated guess. That's my view, you are entitled to disagree. It's a forum after all. That's about all I have to say.

Cheers.

[I FluXx I]

Originally Posted by ThoR_

Dude how stupid are you. My Dad just retired. They have SS commodores. SV8`s and they have the Highway patrol executive commodore which is a V8.

And ive seen all of them

What the hell are you smoking crazy man. I dont think Iv seen a 8cyl cop car in WA for close to 10 years.

I seen quite a few cop xr6t so far. The other day a I saw a unmarked ego xr6t

[qwigybo]

ok i was playing with my mate on the way home from work tonight he has a SV6 i have xr6t both 4 speed auto 80km/h-140km/h i gave him a car length jumpstart (as in i waited till his tail was equal to my nose) and by 120 i was a car length in front of him again

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by qwigybo

ok i was playing with my mate on the way home from work tonight he has a SV6 i have xr6t both 4 speed auto 80km/h-140km/h i gave him a car length jumpstart (as in i waited till his tail was equal to my nose) and by 120 i was a car length in front of him again

That's not a car length jumpstart.

Car length = he is 5m ahead of you.

[broken_suave]

Are we forgetting something fairly critical? Unless its different in WA, police cars are rarely stock. So factory power figures mean nothing, or at least very little.

An XT with a chipped N/A six will not have a mere 190kW, it would have anywhere from 220-250kW possibly more. Granted, the Turbo variant would have better mid range pick up but you wouldnt choose it for its engine performance alone.

I would say the WA police chose the XR6T because its a better over all package. Better handling (even when the XT has uprated suspension), better engine performance (as the XR6T is likely not stock either), better deterent to road users, as an XT isnt exactly frightening, plus the cops get to ride in an XR6 Turbo :P
Remember that they're not replacing the XT patrol cars with turbos, they're just bolstering the Highway Patrol fleet with some muscle.

[ThoR_]

Originally Posted by DJL351

When? Where? All 8's were dropped after the ID10T in the Commo wrote
off his partner.
Power slide in to a curb, launch 10 feet in to the air, before hitting a rather large tree. (at an estemated 180KPH)

They've used the SV6's for some time and are now using the XR6T.

No there not there is plenty of SS`s around. Saw a black one today in Wanneroo with lights in it and stuff and the cop was on the radio. There is a Red SS that patrols the country roads to.

So all you guys that think they dont have V8`s anymore think again. Plus my Dad just retired and a cop oh 26 years so i think he would know i asked him to get the info for me

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by broken_suave

Are we forgetting something fairly critical? Unless its different in WA, police cars are rarely stock. So factory power figures mean nothing, or at least very little.

Police cars are bog stock except for the heavier alternator and sometimes better suspension. If you're buying 'police chips' off eBay, you're being had. This is fact in Victoria, and unless NSW tizzies up the Rodeos and Qld does the same to their Hiluxes, it the same in those two states. Or maybe NSW has their eGas Falcons converted to run solely on petrol to make them faster?

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

cops aren't allowed to exceed 130kmph in WA in a chase? or is that only in vic?

eitherway, i'd love an xr6T anyday

It definately NOT Vic.

[Ruger]

a stock xt would run a decent 90 odd mph at the strip stock and the t would be running a good 99-100 mph stock? thats a good 12-15 k's on the xt in 14 seconds of stand start acceleration.

[Tommo224]

saw a car in front of me one time get pulled over by an undercover plain white xr6T back in december.. (Liverpool)

also this morning on the bus, i look out the window at this hot black XR8 with FPV stripes and "BOSS 250" sticker on the bonnet.. i turn around just checking it out as the bus goes past.. then stops.. then the car caught up and i looked in the cabin and it had all the police screens and everything in it.. no wonder it had 2 big aerials on the back lol..

mad stealth style cop car! (Sydney.. King Street)

[XR06T]

unless this no chasing over 160 is a new law im not sure that it is followed anyway.. a few years ago i was dirving down the freeway at 170kph at 4am (i know, i know...) and got pulled over. now how can a cop catch up to a car going over 160 from a standing start??

ps i know it was not a good idea and unsafe blah blah but i hadn't seen another car on my trip down the road. i got the ticket and paid, done and done..

also there was a story in the paper about the mandurah police getting a new sv8 to try to catch the hoons down there by enticing them to race! that was late last year IIRC

[broken_suave]

Perhaps its changed in the last year or so, but our cars in QLD are not stock. I remember with the introduction of the BA there were problems with getting them chipped successfully. Thats all I know about fords but the VT was also chipped. All sedans have suspension mods as well as the 'pursuit' rims or whatever you wish to call them. I can only imagine these mods are uniform across the fleet and unless theres been some new regulations I would imagine they'd still be modded now (current fleet).

[ThoR_]

Because...There is no 160kph rule its a rumor. If they are chasing a idiot through a suburb and he is doing 100kph there not going to do 100kph they radio in there speed and the boss tells them if to pull out or not. If they are doing 180kph down a freeway at 3am and there is no cars and there chasing someone. Well thats ok.

[ThoR_]

My Dad who is a retierd cop just told me a funny story. They pulled up the the lights going straight back in the 80`s in a VK 308 pursuit car. And in the turning lane to go to the on ramp was a 2door Torana XU1 shape but it had a huge worked V8 in it you could hear it. The driver at the time was a nob and my dad said ah dont worry about it just let it go. Anyway this guy hoofed it down the off ramp and my dad and his parter chased but he said by the time they got to the end of the off ramp they could only just make out his car in the distance just 2 little lights. lol

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by broken_suave

Perhaps its changed in the last year or so, but our cars in QLD are not stock. I remember with the introduction of the BA there were problems with getting them chipped successfully. Thats all I know about fords but the VT was also chipped. All sedans have suspension mods as well as the 'pursuit' rims or whatever you wish to call them. I can only imagine these mods are uniform across the fleet and unless theres been some new regulations I would imagine they'd still be modded now (current fleet).

As others have said, police cars are not chipped. The only change is a bigger alternator and the speedo has a digital readout on the trip computer. The engine ECU's are NOT touched.

[NC1183]

We've had XR6T highway cars out here, country NSW, since they came out. And the handling thing, i'm friends with a couple of the highway partol guys in town here and when one of them did his high speed pursuit training he said they drove an XR6T, XR8 and a VZII SS all cars with 18's and he said that the SS handled and felt better throught the course, and he is a ford nut. His patrol car thought is an awesome XR6T, and holly ****** they've got some stuff jammed in them.
We've also had a couple of GT's, a GT-P and a Typoon as unmarked highway patrol cars here as well

[I FluXx I]

Originally Posted by XR06T

unless this no chasing over 160 is a new law im not sure that it is followed anyway.. a few years ago i was dirving down the freeway at 170kph at 4am (i know, i know...) and got pulled over. now how can a cop catch up to a car going over 160 from a standing start??

ps i know it was not a good idea and unsafe blah blah but i hadn't seen another car on my trip down the road. i got the ticket and paid, done and done..

also there was a story in the paper about the mandurah police getting a new sv8 to try to catch the hoons down there by enticing them to race! that was late last year IIRC

I saw that story aswell. It was actually a SV6. It was red and had spot lights on the front. I will keep a look out for these V8 cop cars, but until then its a little hard to believe.

[Paull]

Originally Posted by ThoR_

Because...There is no 160kph rule its a rumor. If they are chasing a idiot through a suburb and he is doing 100kph there not going to do 100kph they radio in there speed and the boss tells them if to pull out or not. If they are doing 180kph down a freeway at 3am and there is no cars and there chasing someone. Well thats ok.

And now you are getting closer to the truth. It is up to the Seargent in town that will allow the pursuit to continue to or to cancel. Put more simply, the first radio in is that of the details of the pursuit and then 'we have a pursuit (specially trained) driver driving. From there on in, the passenger police officer will radio in the details and most inportantly the speed.

Now, as mentioned above, the car maybe doing 190 kph but if they radio in, "14zero kays" - no traffic, then we have no problems now do we.

With respect to the WA wallopers having V8's, am not knowing. Back in the '90's the Traffic coppers typically got bored chasing parked cars. They would then start playing silly buggers and then you get incidents such as the Kings Park prang and the Glen Forrest prang whereby there was no pursuit, no lights (cat C) on and yet in both occasions, the police vehicles crashed killing one of its occupants.

From there on in, it was game up and Commissioner Falconer banned all V8 cars mainly as punishment for the wayward traffic coppers.

[dallasv8]

queensland have a few typhoon pursuit cars now,and they look pretty good too.

[WHIPLASH]

Originally Posted by dallasv8

queensland have a few typhoon pursuit cars now,and they look pretty good too.

Yeah i have been pulled up by the bugger a few times, up here in rockhampton the two officers in it give it a goood flogging even when it is not needed ..... LUCKY LUCKY.

Little fox

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by WHIPLASH

Yeah i have been pulled up by the bugger a few times, up here in rockhampton the two officers in it give it a goood flogging even when it is not needed ..... LUCKY LUCKY.

Little fox

That would kinda put me off getting an ex-hwy patrol car. lol

[dallasv8]

yea,townsville got a couple of the butt ugly 2 door commodes and probably wondered "where are we going to put the crims?"
typhoon looks 100% better

[I FluXx I]

Originally Posted by 3

That would kinda put me off getting an ex-hwy patrol car. lol

just means its been run in hard :Reverend:

[FPVGT]

i was pulled over by a cop in a red S commodore about two weeks ago on the kwinana freeway near baldivis. damn ticket issued too. will be watching for the XRTs then. is a radar detector worth the money...am debating buying one...i know its better not to speed but a ticket for 112kph on a freeway with no one else about just plain ****es me off!

[james22]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Ok, OK, all this talk of speed and how fast they can and can't go, depending on day time or nightime etc, well heres a thought to ponder...
If you're travelling at night at the speed of light in your UFO with your headlights on, can you see where your going?

hehe, if you turned on your lights before you hit the speed of light you would theoretically be able to see. The beam would accelerate away, then you would match its speed, hence being able to see infront lol

[james22]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

As others have said, police cars are not chipped. The only change is a bigger alternator and the speedo has a digital readout on the trip computer. The engine ECU's are NOT touched.

I beg to differ. I own an AU III XR8, that was previously owned by the Victoria Fleet Replacement Unit. It had already had the speed limiter removed. Which indicated the ECU has been modified.

[dallasv8]

my AU 1 VCT XR6 wasnt speed limited,as far as i know the utes were but not the sedans.i didnt realise the later model XR's were limited.

[MeLLy]

SA have BA/BF ford utes running around as undercover patrol cars, no antennas, no government plates just a plain white ute with a chick driving, if u look closely u can see the small blue and red lights behind the headrests...they are stepping it up a little....quite slowly here which is good.