|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
10-01-2020, 05:16 PM | #31 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,085
|
|
||
10-01-2020, 05:24 PM | #32 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
Posts: 22,892
|
You've only got to watch ten minutes of DCOA videos to realise that there is an appreciable slice of the driving population who simply do not care.
It doesn't matter how big the fines, how dire the rules, they are going to do what they're going to do until either Newton addresses the situation or they get a lengthy stretch. This is not a call for "more jails/jail sentences" but simply an observation. |
||
10-01-2020, 05:25 PM | #33 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,411
|
In Queensland if you get caught 30k or more over the speed limit, it’s 4 demerit points. Get caught again inside 12 months and it’s double the points, immediately a show cause notice issued.
Get caught on your mobile phone and it’s $1,000 |
||
10-01-2020, 05:29 PM | #34 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: W.A.
Posts: 327
|
I think in WA,30km or more over the limit,you lose your license etc.
__________________
Rob. 2003 BA Futura. Former Ford's. 1978 XC V8 Fairmont. 1977 XC 4.1 Crossflow Falcon. |
||
10-01-2020, 05:31 PM | #35 | ||
Donating Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 8,594
|
Fwiw here over the ditch 140+ and your outta the car and walking home with instant loss of licence and i think a day in court etc.
__________________
Be the man your dog thinks you are. |
||
10-01-2020, 06:00 PM | #36 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
Posts: 22,892
|
I note the referenced matters are presently sub judicæ, so present the links without specific comment.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/brisbane...ecialist-unit/ https://www.9news.com.au/national/na...a-b3650acc6ca7 |
||
10-01-2020, 06:53 PM | #37 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,344
|
Quote:
|
|||
10-01-2020, 07:09 PM | #38 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 13,465
|
We can argue about fines all day long but why should a person be held to a different standard for the same offence because of their income? You can't rack them up endlessly because of demerit points.
Pretty sure you can make a payment plan anyway and they just won't take your money. If they do it's because you paid in full without even asking. |
||
10-01-2020, 07:13 PM | #39 | ||
Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
Posts: 21,777
|
Agree.
__________________
UA2 TREND 4WD BI TURBO |
||
This user likes this post: |
10-01-2020, 08:26 PM | #40 | ||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,938
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
10-01-2020, 09:41 PM | #41 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,125
|
Quote:
Can’t increase a fine for someone who earns more money. What next, charging them more for fuel and rego? Funnily enough though, when I see highway patrol with a car pulled over, it’s rarely your high end luxury and sports cars (ie. rich folk cars) it’s generally the low end poor mans cars. |
|||
This user likes this post: |
10-01-2020, 09:43 PM | #42 | ||
Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
Posts: 21,777
|
Same. Majority of times its the cheap end of town. Usually the ones that are first to cry revenue raising, even though it's a voluntary contribution.
__________________
UA2 TREND 4WD BI TURBO |
||
This user likes this post: |
10-01-2020, 10:31 PM | #43 | |||
FG XR6 Ute & Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bibra Lake WA
Posts: 23,608
|
Quote:
__________________
regards Blue |
|||
11-01-2020, 06:00 AM | #44 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,769
|
We could argue the value/merit of speed camera's all day, but in reality ALL Governments need income, we are told that their slice of income from income tax is decreasing, so like all of us they need to find other sources to pay for everything they commit to. Whether we like it or not we all live in a largely socialist country, so sharing the love to those less fortunate is what we do, and if you want to speed then get caught, then put it down to help keeping the country accustomed to the life we all love
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
||
11-01-2020, 07:18 AM | #45 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: by the beach
Posts: 1,982
|
The problem with cameras(in sa) is they have proven to be innacurate so our lovely government has made it so you cannot dispute the accuracy in a court of law making them a purly revenue raising device. I travel from yorke penninsular to sadelaide an average of every 2 weeks and since the insallation of fixed sppd cameras on port wakefield rd you never see a cop anymore and you can spot the locals as they all speed 120k plus between the towns on this stretch knowing there is no police
__________________
clevo mafia (sadly sold) 351c xe manual (now with short shifting 5sp goodness) xc gs coupe project...hmm more clevo for me new daily 2005 ba sr |
||
11-01-2020, 10:41 AM | #46 | ||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,809
|
My rule works pretty well
Speed limit + 20km/h by GPS in 80/100 zones on highway/freeway. Speed limit + 19km/h by GPS in 110 zones - just under loss of license if caught These are only $330 and 3 points in VIC, you can get done 3 times, still keep the license and its still under a thousand bucks, good deal. Even if you do 10 over or 24 over its still $330 and 3 points so there's no point in only doing 10 over the limit, its worth rolling the dice on. If there's no one around and its 3AM then there's no speed limit Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 11-01-2020 at 10:54 AM. |
||
This user likes this post: |
11-01-2020, 12:23 PM | #47 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 562
|
Quote:
On the topic of fines. I don't think people care any more. |
|||
This user likes this post: |
11-01-2020, 01:58 PM | #48 | ||
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,892
|
|
||
11-01-2020, 02:28 PM | #49 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,809
|
Quote:
The guy obviously deals in drugs with a tonne of different identities, he's probably worth multiples of 7 figures, will have the best legal team money can buy but lets focus on the speeding fine, points on one of his 13 licenses and dangerous driving rather than the real win here At the end of the day if he comes off the bike at high speed, he's the one who is going for the lovely slide across the ground at circa 200km/h, who cares. |
|||
11-01-2020, 02:43 PM | #50 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,769
|
Quote:
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
|||
11-01-2020, 05:38 PM | #51 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 562
|
Do I need to spell it out for you Trev?
|
||
11-01-2020, 05:57 PM | #52 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 209
|
I believe lot of European countries fine you dependant on income, apparently a few years ago a wealthy Finn was fined around $100,000 for doing 65mph in a 50 zone.
|
||
11-01-2020, 07:11 PM | #53 | |||
AU3 ute EL futura
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 485
|
Quote:
Here in Queensland the DEATH toll fell from the late 70's to 1998, the year Beatie got in, introduced cameras and sent all the cops out to book people.The decline halted rose and plateaued. It only declined when there was a steep rise in petrol prices. After 98 crashes due to excessive speed did not decline, crashes due to inattention increased about 20%. In the last 10 years there has been a dramatic divergence in deaths to injuries. Trauma has remained high, but deaths have declined. We are still crashing but cars are more death proof. You can torture the numbers all you want, but I have seen no correlation between numbers of traffic infringements issued and total road trauma let alone trauma due to excessive speed. The reports I have seen supporting the effectiveness of mass anti speeding campaigns quote specific cheery picked locations and time periods or weighted data. |
|||
11-01-2020, 07:45 PM | #54 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,809
|
Quote:
Alternatively I'm happy to cut funding to healthcare and education because I'm in my late twenties and I don't need these services |
|||
11-01-2020, 11:19 PM | #55 | |||
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,892
|
Quote:
That would involve our politicians Thinking & Planning beyond the next Election cycle.....As If.. |
|||
3 users like this post: |
12-01-2020, 07:09 AM | #56 | |||
Ford Fanatic
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,480
|
Quote:
As you probably know, I work in the motor insurance industry. its been a long time since I was in sales and service, but some of the safest cars there are eg Subaru WRX with all the bells and whistles. Think about it, these particular cars can actually be "too safe" The main reason they have a very high insurance premium is because they do not have small accidents, in most cases they are a total loss....why? they are too safe in my opinion. They are a purpose built rally car with technology for that kind of thing WRX (World Rally Cross) They will comfortable do what other cars won't due to the traction control and all other systems and suspension etc They will go around a bend with an advisory sign of 70 and do it comfortably at almost double that speed. This gives the driver an over inflated sense of safety and what the car can do. It may very well do that bend at 140 kph, but go that extra km too fast and it lets go and hence has a very major accident. So my original point is the safety of cars in the hands of an idiot does not equate to a lower road toll. NB. I am not saying every driver is an idiot...I am purely illustrating a point about the safety of cars not necessarily having any correlation to the road toll
__________________
Everyone is entitled to my Opinion 2007 Territory TX SY RWD Ego |
|||
12-01-2020, 07:28 AM | #57 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 895
|
If you lose your points you can buy some new ones, the Govt should sell direct & cut the middleman out.
|
||
2 users like this post: |
12-01-2020, 07:49 AM | #58 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,411
|
There are well known fixed speed camera locations in Brisbane yet they are the highest revenue earners, I am convinced that some drivers are just dumb, they speed everywhere and forget where the cameras are located.
|
||
2 users like this post: |
12-01-2020, 10:16 AM | #59 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,809
|
Quote:
Most GPS gives you fixed camera locations anyway and it goes off its head as you approach them. With the mobile cameras they're always new cars on the side of the road with what looks like rectangle spotlights on the front of them, except one is really far out from the other. They always rotate them around the same few places on a highway, if you're familiar with your local roads they are a non issue. It reduces your risk to being caught by law enforcement but there's not that many out on the roads, then you're given the benefit of an interaction with another human rather than a camera and computer, further to that if you're on Melbourne's M1/M2 Freeways they can only pull one person over at a time and there's huge traffic volume. Years ago I was fanging along in my Focus at around 140km/h in a 100 zone coming home on the last 30km stretch from night school on a week night, it was around 11PM, closer to home I saw headlights in the distance on the opposite side of the road and I didn't think much of it. As we got close the red and blues came on and I crapped my dacks. Looking in the mirror expecting them to do a hasty u turn and catch up. They just turned them off and kept going, I guess they were probably heading home for the night as well or maybe on the way to something more important. Risk management principles Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 12-01-2020 at 10:21 AM. |
|||
This user likes this post: |
12-01-2020, 02:32 PM | #60 | ||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
If they have been there for a long time then these people are not paying attention or don't care. These people deserve the fine. It's not that hard with the tech that's available these days to know where they are.
__________________
Daniel |
||
This user likes this post: |