Telsa busting while the big 4 car manufacturers are booming?

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by b0son

And arguably, the battery tech, if required to support a significant proportion of the worlds vehicles, is going to do terrible things to the environment, as well as create economic problems as the materials from which they're made are hardly renewable.

This is a major reason I am optimistic on the Goodenough solid state technology. Sodium replaces lithium. Although lithium is usable in this technology, sodium has much better performance characteristics.

[danzvtil]

I would think all the repairs they have to pay for under warranty would be enough to send them broke, check out YouTube for US owners experiences, Tesla and GM are peas in a pod when it comes to substandard components.
Also check out a guy called rich rebuilds, he fixes written off Teslas, once written off, they will not sell you spare parts or offer charging on their public network.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

I would think all the repairs they have to pay for under warranty would be enough to send them broke, check out YouTube for US owners experiences, Tesla and GM are peas in a pod when it comes to substandard components.
Also check out a guy called rich rebuilds, he fixes written off Teslas, once written off, they will not sell you spare parts or offer charging on their public network.

Who's they dansvtil, Tesla? I wouldnt be suprised if thats the case lol, i wonder why though.. $$$?

cheers, Maka

[mike_nofx]

Maybe, just maybe, people don’t want battery powered cars?

[Maka]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Maybe, just maybe, people don’t want battery powered cars?

That could be the majority atm for whatever x,y,z reasons, it will be interesting to see over time how the ev phenomenon pans out from a mass take up perspective in Australia.

cheers, Maka

[Maka]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

I would think all the repairs they have to pay for under warranty would be enough to send them broke, check out YouTube for US owners experiences, Tesla and GM are peas in a pod when it comes to substandard components.
Also check out a guy called rich rebuilds, he fixes written off Teslas, once written off, they will not sell you spare parts or offer charging on their public network.

Heres a link about the same situation where a written off Tesla was repaired but..

https://www.teslarati.com/think-twic...tesla-model-s/

cheers, Maka

[Bossxr8]

Here is some info about Ford's electric vehicle.

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-23/72862.html

First new-age Ford EV to be based on new Focus platform – or is it?


23 May 2018

By RON HAMMERTON



WILL the real Ford Mach 1 stand up? Ford’s first global full-electric crossover vehicle is a goer for release as a 2020 model, but speculation about specifics – including its underlying platform and even its name – remain confused.

Britain’s Autocar reports that the vehicle – codenamed CX430, it says – will be a slightly raised mid-sized front-wheel-drive crossover built on Ford’s latest C2 FWD platform that will spawn the all-new Focus due in both Europe and Australia in the second half of this year.

However, this appears to fly in the face of a Ford statement in March that indicated the Blue Oval company was planning a standalone BEV (battery electric vehicle) architecture for such all-electric vehicles, separate from the four newly developed conventional platforms on which all its other models will be based.

These include the front-wheel-drive unibody platform (C2) for cars such as Focus, Fiesta, Kuga/Escape and – perhaps – Mondeo, body-on-frame for vehicles such as Ranger, Everest, Bronco and F-Series, rear-wheel-drive unibody for Mustang, and commercial van unibody for Transit.

Ford started the ball rolling on the Mach 1 when it announced at the Detroit motor show in January that it was planning a global battery electric crossover vehicle for 2020 as the first of 16 all-electric vehicles under a $US11 billion ($A14.5b) electrification program to be rolled out by 2022.

In making the announcement, Ford showed a video highlighting the Mach 1 logo, suggesting that would be the nameplate for the Mustang-inspired EV with high performance and a range of 300 miles (480km).

The video showed a Mustang and an Explorer SUV entering a garage, and then a blue bolt of electricity bursting out, followed by the Mach 1 logo.

Since then, Ford executives have been quoted as saying the Mach 1 name was a working title rather than a locked-in name, and would only be used if Ford fans approved of the famous Mustang tag – used on special Mustangs between 1969 and 2004 – being applied to the EV crossover.

The EV range is being developed in Detroit by a Ford engineering team dubbed Team Edison, in honour of American inventor Thomas Edison, a close friend of Ford founder Henry Ford.

Apart from the EV range, Team Edison is also helping to mastermind hybrid versions of all of Ford’s mainstream models, including the F-Series pick-up, Explorer, Escape, Mustang and the upcoming Bronco.


This indicates that the architectures of such vehicles will be able to accommodate some electrification, but not necessarily full battery electric power, hence the BEV platform.


According to Autocar, the CX430/Mach 1 will be revealed next year before reaching United Kingdom showrooms in 2020.


As Ford is on the record as saying this vehicle will be a global offering, we assume it will be built in right-hand drive and available to Australia. Ford Australia is yet to formally announce such a move.


Interestingly, Ford Motor Company registered the Mach 1 trademark in the US in 2015, but not yet in Australia where Ford only owns the Mustang Mach 1 trademark.

In the United States, Ford has announced that it will drop most of its passenger cars from its range, including Taurus, Fusion, Fiesta and the standard Focus sedan and hatch, as it transitions to more SUVs and crossover vehicles.


That means it will only keep the American-built Mustang and a soft-roader version of the Focus, the Active, to be imported from China.

However, Ford Australia says it remains committed to its passenger car range, with plans to introduce the next-generation Focus from Europe late this year, along with one sporty ST variant of the Fiesta, also from Europe.



It also plans to keep the Mondeo for “the foreseeable future”. According to Autocar, Ford of Europe is planning to stick with the Mondeo until the mid-2020s.

[lari1eye]

A new Tesla made it to the Willowbank Raceway street meet last Saturday night. In real life, WOW and in silence.
Nearly blew everything away......10.59sec....hope it made it home OK....flat battery?
I think they are $263,000 +orc.

[bangm001]

Thats serious fast hey, wow. I dont think the uptake will be too bad in Oz, just need to product a product exciting like the P100D etc with good reliability and with a realistic price point.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by lari1eye

A new Tesla made it to the Willowbank Raceway street meet last Saturday night. In real life, WOW and in silence.
Nearly blew everything away......10.59sec....hope it made it home OK....flat battery?
I think they are $263,000 +orc.

It’d wanna dominate for $263k.

For that money you could import a Dodge Demon, do the 0-400m a second quicker and buy petrol for life with the remaining money.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

It’d wanna dominate for $263k.

For that money you could import a Dodge Demon, do the 0-400m a second quicker and buy petrol for life with the remaining money.

Some vids on YouTube show them doing 8’s and 7’s - so the Demon is slower

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Some vids on YouTube show them doing 8’s and 7’s - so the Demon is slower

Surely not stock standard.

[Mercury Bullet]

I imagine they would be pretty easy to tune, just bump the voltage.

Depends on how hard they are locked down I guess.

[Maka]

Very fast acceleration for a production car for sure though i would want more out of a car for that price point, plenty of other cars on the market that would get my attention for the same price.

cheers, Maka

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Many vehicles don't make economic sense though.

The mid life crisis dude that drops 120k on a land cruiser that never gets dirty let alone used to its potential makes no economic sense.

This is so true, but is so often overlooked by the proponents of future electric cars.
They just assume that people will accept driving around in tiny plastic toys like the Twingo. And yes, for most intents and purposes such things would be eminently practical.
BUT, if people were prepared to accept them, we could do that now. Small lightweight plastic cars, powered by a 200cc 2 cylinder engine would get extraordinary economy, minimal emissions, be cheap to own and without the range limitations of batteries.
While we're at it, we could all live in cubicles in high-rise buildings that also house our schools and places of work.
And we don't really need tv, personal computers, mobile phones, or this forum.
We could also subsist eating fungi grown from our own waste, with extra protein from dead people.
Maybe oneday the human race will be reduced to such a dystopian future, but fortunately not in my lifetime and hopefully not within my grandkids.

So yeah, cars (and a lot of other things) are a luxury, which means we want them to be "luxurious".

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by Maka

Heres a link about the same situation where a written off Tesla was repaired but..

https://www.teslarati.com/think-twic...tesla-model-s/

cheers, Maka

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2veXRtY44T8

And here, watch from 4min 30.
So the question is who really owns the car? Of course this won’t happen with an ICE car, maybe consumer laws will have to change.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2veXRtY44T8

And here, watch from 4min 30.
So the question is who really owns the car? Of course this won’t happen with an ICE car, maybe consumer laws will have to change.

Yep, i agree danzvtil, Tesla's line is "oh we want to make sure the repairs are done competently so we want to check etc but in the meantime your Tesla is not eligible to be part of Tesla's network until such time etc..But, lets look closer.

Crash repairs like panel & suspension damage etc is one thing but if the ev battery is in question that's another altogether different & potentially a dangerous situation, so rightly Elon's protecting himself from any future lawsuits that may arise down the track by wanting to check the quality of the repairs imo.

It comes down to the competency of the workshop who carries out the strategic repairs to a Tesla, whether they are factory trained & authorized to do the repairs & local legislation permitting independent workshops to do the repairs if they are deemed competent enough after training to do so.

And of course thats if Elon & the major oem's agree first to any legislation that may affect their bottom line lol!

cheers, Maka

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Maybe, just maybe, people don’t want battery powered cars?

According to sales, they do. EV,s, including Battery powered vehicles are climbing.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Nikked

According to sales, they do. EV,s, including Battery powered vehicles are climbing.

Niche market.

Sales of smashed avocado and fixie bikes also went up. Doesn’t mean the future of food is smashed avo, and the future of cycling is single speed bikes.

Also, fleet sales would be to ‘blame’ partly.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Surely not stock standard.

Surely not supercharged or turbo charged either - they are quicker than you think maximum torque from 0 km/h all the way through.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

It’d wanna dominate for $263k.

For that money you could import a Dodge Demon, do the 0-400m a second quicker and buy petrol for life with the remaining money.

I dunno, a demon on the road wouldn't leave much change from 200k would it?
Wouldn't take long to chew up 60k in fuel either haha

[Sprintey]

Quick question: how does mass adoption of any company's electric car work in Australia as we phase out naughty coal-fired base load generation and replace it with ???

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Maka

You are absolutely correct about what energy source powers those ev chargers, what i cant understand in this day & age, where is the onboard self charger?

If i can think of a few ways for it to work, why cant the smart well paid innovators/inventors think something up, imo its not hard but maybe the science (a belt driven generator etc) is a step back tech wise for it to work.

cheers, Maka

For now PHEV and home solar/battery is about the ideal solution. Note oil on a steady climb too. Just saw 98 at $1.82.

[adz137]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Some vids on YouTube show them doing 8’s and 7’s - so the Demon is slower

Can you post links to the videos you speak off, I'm yet to see a Tesla go under 10 seconds in the quarter mile.

Cheers

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by b0son

Trouble is electric itself is not a real option. Its rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic until we can generate base load using renewables or nuclear.

And arguably, the battery tech, if required to support a significant proportion of the worlds vehicles, is going to do terrible things to the environment, as well as create economic problems as the materials from which they're made are hardly renewable.

This is something I came across while researching global lithium/cobalt stocks & geographic supplies before November/December's meteoric rises. The stuff is not accessible everywhere, and is finite like many other minerals. Processing it requires some engineering skill and specialised design (was good to see Aussie companies out there at the leading edge). We will need something more easily abundant, maybe thats where the sodium will come in. Did Tesla change the constituency of its batteries recently as well, having less cobalt in them?

[Maka]

Hi guys & nstga8a, here's a nice link & fact check lol on the Dodge Demon -

"Dodge really wants to make sure you don't pay too much for it. The Demon is priced at $84,995, very fair for this level of performance, and the company is going far out of its way to ensure that dealers won't price gouge. That sort of thing is music to our ear"

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...demon-preview/

cheers, Maka

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Surely not supercharged or turbo charged either - they are quicker than you think maximum torque from 0 km/h all the way through.

Not quite.

Torque decreases with speed. Quite quickly in fact.

[Maka]

Hi guys, there's talk on Elon Musk starting a website targeting journalists who put out fake news, dont know if this link is fake news -

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...g-truck-police

Here's a link about his latest anti fake news website proposition, i wonder why he has to do this lol -

https://www.mintpressnews.com/elon-m...pravda/242757/

cheers, Maka

[boss351290]

I hated Tesla. But today I drove a model x and model s both p100d spec. I am a changed man. I own a lot of cars and always top of the range. But these cars are truly a masterpiece. Expensive yes. But I think it won’t be long and they will rule the world. Remember I hated Tesla until today

[b0son]

Tesla is shedding nearly 10% of its workforce! The beginning of the end?

https://www.caradvice.com.au/656838/...workforce-cut/