Wheels re-test GTS & GT-F on the dyno

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Benny

Clearly they forgot to engage the over boost on the GTS.

The GTS doesn't have overboost, being intercooled it doesn't need to keep temps in check like the GTF does.

That is the key to this new result, the GTS is consistent by being intercooled, but the GTF needs to have just the right intake temps to get it making max overboost.

[BHDOGS]

Listen to the excuses fly love it ford wins again

[mik]

Whatever the case we knew th GT would account for itself well , it has ,and that ladies and gents is all that matters.

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by burnz

the GTS is about 300 lbs heavier than the GT..F

105lbs. Of course in kg that sounds less impressive again.

It'd be appreciated if the dyno queen style comments are left out of the thread. Unnecessary and argumentative.

Fact. The GTS is the better overall vehicle that's life. And at 6.2l it ought to out-torque the Miami. And does as the charts show. But for a hi tech baby 5.0 the Miami hammers, it's just unfortunate FPV never had a newer chassis to take it to HSV as no doubt they'd have loved to. And that is how history will record the final GT.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

105lbs. Of course in kg that sounds less impressive again.

It'd be appreciated if the dyno queen style comments are left out of the thread. Unnecessary and argumentative.

Fact. The GTS is the better overall vehicle that's life. And at 6.2l it ought to out-torque the Miami. And does as the charts show. But for a hi tech baby 5.0 the Miami hammers, it's just unfortunate FPV never had a newer chassis to take it to HSV as no doubt they'd have loved to. And that is how history will record the final GT.

Published curb weights put the numbers close to 2000 kg for the GTS and around 1850 kg for the GTF. Would be good to see both put on a weigh bridge with a full tank though to know for sure.

[Chopped]

I wouldn't mind betting they are both putting out the same fwkw.

[fgpsi]

More power without an intercooler! Imagine the difference if the FPV had one

Decent tyres on the back and it's bye bye gts

[CyberWasp]

Holden are releasing a Pinocchio Edition of the GTS.
Every time you tell your mates that the GTS is more powerful a nose grows out from the front grill.

[Giant Cranium]

Why so much fuss over power if it is slower than the one with power. I'd rather less power and in the end have the bragging rights

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Why so much fuss over power if it is slower than the one with power. I'd rather less power and in the end have the bragging rights

This is it for our home grown performance sedans, its nice for ford to have something to be proud about. Im very happy for some credit to go to the GTF

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Published curb weights put the numbers close to 2000 kg for the GTS and around 1850 kg for the GTF. Would be good to see both put on a weigh bridge with a full tank though to know for sure.

1881 manual 1892 auto...multiple sources, 1835-1845 can't seem to make up its mind for GT (is GTF lighter?)

Happy to be corrected is it calculated differently for the two?

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Published curb weights put the numbers close to 2000 kg for the GTS and around 1850 kg for the GTF. Would be good to see both put on a weigh bridge with a full tank though to know for sure.

Autocar N.Z. put's tested cars on the weighbridge and with a full tank of fuel the results were
GTS 1902 kg's
GT-P 1855 kg's

They haven't tested a GT-F yet but I'd assume it'll be a similar weight to a GT-P running the same 6/4 Brembo's. I'm waiting for a decent track comparison which will be interesting.

[Sioso]

In the latest Wheels they have weights as:
GT-F auto - 1850kg
GTS manual - 1881kg

[tex]

You've only got to take a look under each car to see where a big chunk of the extra RR is justified....

That's before you've opened the doors lol. GTS is in another increment, and RR reflects that.

The five oh mill has nothing to be embarrassed about though, nothing at all.

And the GTS is the package, and this shows in other performance measurements, not just a chassis dyno.

Having said all that, the chassis dyno sure does provide evidence that the GTS ain't anywhere near the advertised engine output, so I'm really not sure why they exaggerate badge advertised power figures as they do.

The track performance validates its worthiness.

[Benny]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The GTS doesn't have overboost, being intercooled it doesn't need to keep temps in check like the GTF does.

That is the key to this new result, the GTS is consistent by being intercooled, but the GTF needs to have just the right intake temps to get it making max overboost.

Yes I'm aware of that, I was referring to the comment Dowling made when he heard the GT-F has over boost.

[goldxrdamo]

The GTS may be a fly poo faster over the quarter mile and have all the techy crap but I'd never want one. For me I'm Ford all the way and always will be. The GTF is awesome car and holds it's own against alot of euro things triple the price. The only criticism I have about the GTF is that after all the hype of it'll go down in history as the second fastest Australian built ford ever built. It was the one that couldn't beat the Rspec.
I think ford may have taken a few ideas from HSV and fudged up the power figures. Anyone that has been in a GS and a GT know that for an claimed extra 20kw the GT smashes the GS. The GTF doesn't seem to make any bigger numbers or run any faster times then a regular 335

[tut0r]

Originally Posted by goldxrdamo

The GTS may be a fly poo faster over the quarter mile and have all the techy crap but I'd never want one. For me I'm Ford all the way and always will be. The GTF is awesome car and holds it's own against alot of euro things triple the price. The only criticism I have about the GTF is that after all the hype of it'll go down in history as the second fastest Australian built ford ever built. It was the one that couldn't beat the Rspec.
I think ford may have taken a few ideas from HSV and fudged up the power figures. Anyone that has been in a GS and a GT know that for an claimed extra 20kw the GT smashes the GS. The GTF doesn't seem to make any bigger numbers or run any faster times then a regular 335

I'm going to have to blow the 'limited budget' horn again on that one I think mate.

It may not make a big difference on figures but its still 1 of 500 of the last FPV, which holds some value to people.

[BHDOGS]

really it doesnt? because of a few runs why dont you wait till someone who can actually drive the gtf properly gets it then report back

[goldxrdamo]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

really it doesnt? because of a few runs why dont you wait till someone who can actually drive the gtf properly gets it then report back

Really what doesn't?
I'm just stating the facts. It hasn't run faster then the Rspec and the dyno figures are no different to the regular 335.
Don't get me wrong I love the gtf and think it's fantastic but the claims of fastest and most powerful falcon built aren't very conclusive.

[Iggle Piggle]

Oh ****, here we go again...grab the popcorn for the next round of suspect or inconclusive dyno figures discussion - "**** that Ford, the other Ford has it all over that Ford - Ford always overquote their GT-F figures whereas Ford's R-Spec figures are always conservative, but you are not taking into account the drivetrain on this Ford, though in a straight line if this Ford had bigger stickier tyres than that Ford...".

Just ran out of popcorn

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by prydey

where's Mr Streetmachine (blownvn) or whatever he wants to call himself. the mainline dyno figure for the GT-F isn't that much different from the original wheels test, but the GTS seems to have lost a fair chunk of performance. so who was doing the fiddling again??

interestingly, the GTS result is more in line with the trend set already by private owners. most in the know already knew the GTS was only around 320rwkw on average.

Just as i called it with him he was full of **** mr credibility with his face shoving maybe he needs to stop shoving his **** uphill.

[fgpsi]

R spec faster than GT-F ?

[goldxrdamo]

Certainly looks faster

[82XD393.3v]

Street Machine has removed the original dyno test done with wheels from there FB page

[1TUFFUTE]

I think a lot are forgetting what started thus whole debate....it was the media switching from "fastest"(RSpec) to Aussies most "powerfull" car.(attempted GTS )

News flash........the most powerfull Aussie car is the ford falcon fpv GT F

Now let's wait for the non wet go cart racetrack comparos to come flooding out with top priority.....no doubt funded by Holden. (And Rodge, he seems to be interested on track times to come.....despite never tracking these cars......just like 99.9% of the rest of us. Not to mention these are not track cars



Well done ford

[SensationFG8]

Goldxr ford recon its .2 faster, suggest you wait for more tc disabled tests by real drivers...

[goldxrdamo]

Maybe it is faster or maybe it isn't. But to date it hasn't been. Why is everyone saying wait until it gets in the hands of someone who can drive when it was the same people that ran the faster numbers in the Rspec.
and the gtf has been on the same dynos as alot of regular 335s and made the same numbers.
Don't really know why everyone is getting so defensive about it. If it has the extra power then it probably will be .2 seconds faster but it isn't.
When it is I believe it but so far it hasn't happened.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I think a lot are forgetting what started thus whole debate....it was the media switching from "fastest"(RSpec) to Aussies most "powerfull" car.(attempted GTS )

I thought GTS took the "fastest" mantle from R-Spec well before any supposed shift in focus to "most powerful"????

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

(And Rodge, he seems to be interested on track times to come.....despite never tracking these cars......just like 99.9% of the rest of us.

Track times give you a far better indication on how well these cars handle your favourite twisty back country roads

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by goldxrdamo

and the gtf has been on the same dynos as alot of regular 335s and made the same numbers..

What Ford have done with the GT-F is to raise absolute lowest amount of power the engine will make form 335kW to 351kW. The transient overboost function is the same as the Boss 335, so the performance numbers and dyno reading are very similar between the R-Spec 335 and the GT-F 351.