Ford and GM in Trouble New Car Features Let You Rip CD's to Cars HD

[PepeLePew]

Does anyone buy CDs anymore? I'd rather have a digital copy every time. Besides all modern music is crap Oops, ok ok I'm getting on in life

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Does anyone buy CDs anymore? I'd rather have a digital copy every time. Besides all modern music is crap Oops, ok ok I'm getting on in life

Bought 3 Cd's today actually...$50 something all up...physical copy > non-existent digireaml file. Gotta be able to look through the liner notes, lyrics and pretty pictures in the leaflet.


Of course, all CD's get copied into my iTunes and hence ipod, comes in handy when you break a CD

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Does anyone buy CDs anymore? I'd rather have a digital copy every time. Besides all modern music is crap Oops, ok ok I'm getting on in life

I was buying from iTunes but when I upgraded to Windows 8 I haven't bothered to re-install iTunes to buy more music as it was annoying me how it was in m4a instead of mp3 format, which meant I had to convert it before it was burned to play in my car, and it was doubling up everywhere.

[BHDOGS]

im sick of these **********s they mass produce bullshit singers with bullshit songs charge you through the **** for something the ***** when we steal it **** em

[tut0r]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

im sick of these **********s they mass produce bullshit singers with bullshit songs charge you through the **** for something the ***** when we steal it **** em

That's a lot of asterisks right there!

[BHDOGS]

thats because those people are a **** load of ****.

[MercurySilver]

so can i borrow a mates cd and rip it to my head unit in my car....and then burn it too a disc and get a free copy ?

idiots

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by commonrails

New DVD drive for your pc to rip music $20

New Ford to rip music only to car's hard drive $20k+

AARC having the audacity to sue Ford & GM over a 22yo law, Priceless

I hope the leaches get thrown out, nobody in their right mind would buy a car with the primary function of it being able to copy a song.

The car is not the issue. What is in dispute is whether the said audio unit in that car is in contravention of the Act.

Incidentally, just because the Act was made in 1992 doesn't make it a 22 year old law. Acts can and have been amended over time, but they're still cited as ______ Act <insert year made>. There are a number of Acts dating back to the late 1800s in Australia ...

Originally Posted by Big Damo

What ***** me is they complain about piracy but if you've ever bought any music from iTunes store before, on the USA store songs are 99 cents each and the Australian store they're $1.95 each.

Or on Steam for PC games, digital downloads, USA store new releases are $60 USD, here they're $90-$115.

As if $1.95 will make or break a bank ...

Yeah, it is more expensive here. But we also earn a lot more than the average American.

I agree about Foxtel though. I did want it at one stage but only for the footy. Now that Telstra have the AFL Live app I don't need to spend craploads for Foxtel anymore.

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Does anyone buy CDs anymore? I'd rather have a digital copy every time. Besides all modern music is crap Oops, ok ok I'm getting on in life

I still do, from time to time, but CD sales will be (if not already) on the decline. Digital copies are the way forward - especially as more and more computers these days don't even have an optical drive. Hopefully more record companies will embrace digital technology and allow us to buy songs (legitimately) online.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by NX74205

The car is not the issue. What is in dispute is whether the said audio unit in that car is in contravention of the Act.

Incidentally, just because the Act was made in 1992 doesn't make it a 22 year old law. Acts can and have been amended over time, but they're still cited as ______ Act <insert year made>. There are a number of Acts dating back to the late 1800s in Australia ...



As if $1.95 will make or break a bank ...

Yeah, it is more expensive here. But we also earn a lot more than the average American.

I agree about Foxtel though. I did want it at one stage but only for the footy. Now that Telstra have the AFL Live app I don't need to spend craploads for Foxtel anymore.



I still do, from time to time, but CD sales will be (if not already) on the decline. Digital copies are the way forward - especially as more and more computers these days don't even have an optical drive. Hopefully more record companies will embrace digital technology and allow us to buy songs (legitimately) online.

$1.95 isn't a problem but what is the justification? It adds up over a big music collection, Its a digital item so its not like there is a cost of our higher wages coming into play here.

They don't want to justify it, but then have a cry when you start making US accounts to get things at the cheaper rate.

The law in Australia, I'm pretty sure if you own something you can legally turn it into another format, for example if you own the CD you can turn it into MP3s, if you own a DVD/Bluray you can rip it to your PC and watch it there etc.

Imagine getting pulled over for an RBT, and the cop goes, LET ME SEE YOUR CDS!

LOOK! A PIRATED COPY! Step out of the car, come with me sir.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

$1.95 isn't a problem but what is the justification? It adds up over a big music collection, Its a digital item so its not like there is a cost of our higher wages coming into play here.

They don't want to justify it, but then have a cry when you start making US accounts to get things at the cheaper rate.

They don't need to justify it. They have a product to sell, and they can sell it at whatever price they damn well want.

Originally Posted by Big Damo

The law in Australia, I'm pretty sure if you own something you can legally turn it into another format, for example if you own the CD you can turn it into MP3s, if you own a DVD/Bluray you can rip it to your PC and watch it there etc.

You can copy CDs into MP3, provided that you own a legitimate copy. You can copy video tapes into a digital format, provided that you own a legitimate copy. You cannot copy DVD/Bluray (but I would support an amendment to the law to allow that, under the same conditions as copying CDs).

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by NX74205

They don't need to justify it. They have a product to sell, and they can sell it at whatever price they damn well want.



You can copy CDs into MP3, provided that you own a legitimate copy. You can copy video tapes into a digital format, provided that you own a legitimate copy. You cannot copy DVD/Bluray (but I would support an amendment to the law to allow that, under the same conditions as copying CDs).

Yes they do have to justify it otherwise they wouldn't have been summoned to answer in front of our courts:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226575424795

Then don't complain when I buy it from the USA store for 99 cents USD and the Government backs me up:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/au...-1226687671422

The results are in:

The inquiry compared more than 150 products and found that Australians paid up to 50 per cent more than customers in other countries.

• Specifically, Australians pay an average of 66 per cent more for Microsoft products and 42 per cent more for Adobe products.

• Australians pay 84 per cent more on games, 52 per cent more on music, 46 per cent more than the US on computer hardware and 16 per cent more on ebooks.

• Based on the evidence the committee received over the last year it concluded that in many cases the price difference for IT products cannot be explained by the cost of doing business, particularly as it relates to digital downloads.

Geoblocking is easy to get around, a VPN to the USA is well worth its monthly cost if you use Netflix/Hulu Plus for $10 a month to get all the movies/TV shows on Foxtel or use it to buy software/products from the USA.

If the NBN was completed Foxtel would be on its way to being dead, gone from a monopoly to being a distant memory from the past.

I love it when some business tries to dictate to its customers then cries when people go elsewhere. Theres plenty of other options out there, so they would do well to remember that.

I seen this downfall with my own eyes with a previous employer, all high and mighty laughing about a new competitor, until their main customer told them to GTFO, from 70 new vehicles down to 10 and those 60 vehicles went to the new kid on the block.

Theres always that new kid on the block in every industry, especially these new music streaming services.

[commonrails]

The only solution now is we now need to all sing our own songs like the karaoke Ford Focus ad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwVf7NbvYzI

[chevypower]

People in the entertainment industry, who this is supposedly affecting seem to lean left politically. Many despise capitalism and preach that socialism is the answer. Well piracy is like socialism, so they have nothing to complain about.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yes they do have to justify it otherwise they wouldn't have been summoned to answer in front of our courts:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226575424795

Er, no, they don't. That was a parliamentary inquiry, not a court. A parliamentary inquiry hands down reports, not judgment.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by chevypower

People in the entertainment industry, who this is supposedly affecting seem to lean left politically. Many despise capitalism and preach that socialism is the answer. Well piracy is like socialism, so they have nothing to complain about.

Actually, most artists believe in getting paid for their work. The reason the artists tend to not have an issue with piracy is because for the most part, helps the artist more. This is because that while actual record sales have stagnated, artists are more well known, actually get out there, and have chances to do performances (the real money spinner for the people who put the effort into the actual art). Additionally, struggling artists have found that piracy has amped their record sales. While well known artists take a smallish hit to their sales.
The people who have an issue with it are the major record labels (going by your broad, massively incorrect statement, I can claim these would be right leaning, capitalist corporate minded people). These are the people that only care about profits. And these are the people having a whinge.

Example: Game of Thrones is only available on HBO/Foxtel. It wasn't even that popular to begin with, because the books are pretty awful. If it wasn't for piracy, we wouldn't be up to season 4. People downloaded it (some pirated, others used iTunes when you still could) to check it out, and they loved it, because it is actually a good storyline. Martin is just crap at writing. This then jumped demand, and HBO realised from that first season that this would be a massive money spinner. In all honesty, if people hadn't teh technology to download it to check it out, it would have died in the ****.
Subsequently, the books wouldn't have taken off in sales, and George R.R Martin would be an unheard of bloke writing perverted medieval porn.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Er, no, they don't. That was a parliamentary inquiry, not a court. A parliamentary inquiry hands down reports, not judgment.

I stand corrected.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Subsequently, the books wouldn't have taken off in sales, and George R.R Martin would be an unheard of bloke writing perverted medieval porn.

Too many sex scenes in the first season, which was good that they toned it down afterwards.

You could probably rob a bank by threatening the teller with Game of Thrones spoilers thats how into it people are now.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Lotte

The people who have an issue with it are the major record labels (going by your broad, massively incorrect statement, I can claim these would be right leaning, capitalist corporate minded people). These are the people that only care about profits. And these are the people having a whinge.

You mean the mob who make the biggest amount of money when they sell the music?

There are artists out there who give away their music for free cause they make good money performing.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by vztrt

You mean the mob who make the biggest amount of money when they sell the music?

There are artists out there who give away their music for free cause they make good money performing.

Precisely

[simon varley]

talking of... A Dance With Dragons $4.99 on the US Amazon kindle store but $20.99 on the Oz kindle store. WTF

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Actually, most artists believe in getting paid for their work. The reason the artists tend to not have an issue with piracy is because for the most part, helps the artist more. This is because that while actual record sales have stagnated, artists are more well known, actually get out there, and have chances to do performances (the real money spinner for the people who put the effort into the actual art). Additionally, struggling artists have found that piracy has amped their record sales. While well known artists take a smallish hit to their sales.
The people who have an issue with it are the major record labels (going by your broad, massively incorrect statement, I can claim these would be right leaning, capitalist corporate minded people). These are the people that only care about profits. And these are the people having a whinge.

Example: Game of Thrones is only available on HBO/Foxtel. It wasn't even that popular to begin with, because the books are pretty awful. If it wasn't for piracy, we wouldn't be up to season 4. People downloaded it (some pirated, others used iTunes when you still could) to check it out, and they loved it, because it is actually a good storyline. Martin is just crap at writing. This then jumped demand, and HBO realised from that first season that this would be a massive money spinner. In all honesty, if people hadn't teh technology to download it to check it out, it would have died in the ****.
Subsequently, the books wouldn't have taken off in sales, and George R.R Martin would be an unheard of bloke writing perverted medieval porn.

Oh I know they want to get paid for THEIR work, but then they often go on about how great the world would be if we had socialism. They want it both ways. Not everyone in the entertainment business, but many of them are that way. I'm sure Michael Moore wouldn't be too happy if everyone pirated his anti-capitalism movie.

[kaniSS]

lol who buys cd's these days anyway. Bloody Dinosaurs these record companies.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Oh I know they want to get paid for THEIR work, but then they often go on about how great the world would be if we had socialism. They want it both ways. Not everyone in the entertainment business, but many of them are that way. I'm sure Michael Moore wouldn't be too happy if everyone pirated his anti-capitalism movie.

Put simply, we live in a capitalist society. So yes, they should be paid for their work, regardless of political leaning, which I alluded to a point. But I'll make it clear, you can't know anyone's political beliefs one hundred percent, bar your own. More so an entire group.

Your argument is an ad hominem. Undermining a group and trying to cast doubt on the validity of their argument by attacking them, rather than their argument is, quite frankly, **** poor.

Lastly. Why do you want to bring politics into this? It's completely unnecessary, and seems to be happening here a lot lately.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by kaniSS

lol who buys cd's these days anyway. Bloody Dinosaurs these record companies.

Just recently bought:

I killed the Prom queen ...when good by means forever
I killed the Prom queen Your past comes back to haunt you
Parkway Drive Killing with a Smile
Alice in Chains Facelift
Alice in Chains Dirt
Iron Maiden Somewhere in time


Last vinyl I bought was about a year ago...Kylesa Static tensions

People who download only are weird.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by vztrt

You mean the mob who make the biggest amount of money when they sell the music?

There are artists out there who give away their music for free cause they make good money performing.

Goes visa-versa...


There are bands that rely on independent distributors etc...having money come back from hardcopy sales helps keep these people afloat. Also helps the band as well, a lot of effort is put into packaging to give the album its complete feel, rewarding for the band to know that X amount of people actually like the band enough to pay for there work. Also pushes them to release more work...


Problem is that todays socity is built on selfish desires, and that we are intitled to free music because "its there" and "it only hurts big corporate companies"


I'd be ****ed (and have been) over people making money of stuff that I create...be ****ed of too if I did a solid week of work and was told I wont get paid for it because I already have enough money or some mindless dribble like that.

[Nova 8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

People who download only are weird.

In digital format the SQ is better and more consistent, its easier to transport, lasts forever, doesn't clutter up the car or house and is all at demand in the order you choose (genre, artist, alphabetical etc). CDs have long been made redundant and I haven't bought a CD in years, probably since about 2004.


That said I understand why people would still buy CDs as they own something physically and not digitally which many find unappealing.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

In digital format the SQ is better and more consistent, its easier to transport, lasts forever, doesn't clutter up the car or house and is all at demand in the order you choose (genre, artist, alphabetical etc).

I've got an iPod for that, and docks, iPod compaitible head unit.

Buy CD, put it on ipod...take everywhere :-)

[Nova 8]

Still have 100s of CDs in the house taking up space, gathering dust which will potentially scratching them. I've got a 128gb card with what I listen to a a 2TB HDD for music only. Many of said albums purchased at ludicrous prices.

[MITCHAY]

Well the intent from the manufacturer is that the car owner can copy CDs they have purchased and it is a good feature.

A lot of people burn copies of CDs to listen to in their cars and keep the original for safe keeping.

Obviously this allows people to copy CDs they have not paid for but that is not on manufacturer. Just the same as it is not on ISPs when people download music illegally.

They provide the service for legitimate use, it is the consumers that use it inappropriately.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Put simply, we live in a capitalist society. So yes, they should be paid for their work, regardless of political leaning, which I alluded to a point. But I'll make it clear, you can't know anyone's political beliefs one hundred percent, bar your own. More so an entire group.

Your argument is an ad hominem. Undermining a group and trying to cast doubt on the validity of their argument by attacking them, rather than their argument is, quite frankly, **** poor.

Lastly. Why do you want to bring politics into this? It's completely unnecessary, and seems to be happening here a lot lately.

Actually my post was sarcastic. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that. By definition "ad hominem" refers to attacks on a single person. That's not what I was doing. I don't actually endorse the idea of pirating. I buy my music on CDs, and I rip them into iTunes using AIFF (uncompressed). Not only do I think the artists should be paid, but also the managers, promoters, disc manufacturers, transport companies, and retail outlets.