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05-02-2014, 08:49 PM | #31 | ||
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I'll wait for Feb sales thanks Then consider casting doom and gloom
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05-02-2014, 10:28 PM | #32 | ||
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Does anyone have a way to get the full data? ie - what percentage of Toyota's, Holden's, Ford's and Hyundai's were booked as demos, sold as rental, or given to employees - I'd bet it will interesting to see whose figures have been artificially inflated to make sales look better than the reality. That said, Ford figures are depressing as their cars are great.
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05-02-2014, 11:26 PM | #33 | ||
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Two compact SUVs have broken into the top 10...... It begins.
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05-02-2014, 11:52 PM | #34 | ||
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Mondeo=???
Jan is always bad but not good at all for local content all round. Sad days as we start the transition to becoming the worlds concierge. |
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06-02-2014, 02:12 AM | #35 | ||
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Mondeo would have been 2/5 of you-know-what. Cannot get them due to factory shutting down in Europe, then swap over to new model which we aren't getting now until early '15, some 3 years after it's launch in US. By that time it'll be due for a facelift...
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06-02-2014, 10:32 AM | #36 | ||
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You are being sarcastic?
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06-02-2014, 02:13 PM | #37 | |||
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06-02-2014, 03:31 PM | #38 | ||
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I still don't understand why people have abandoned the Falcon so heavily. It's one of the most underappreciated vehicles in the past five years.
If I was a millionaire, I would gladly have a brand new one in the garage - I'd buy several - for parents (their VTII is sort of old and rattly), and a few friends too... Colorado is a value-driven vehicle - it fails compared to other options. I didn't like the look of the Trax either, but Holden could release a car called the "Holden ****" and as long as it looked pretty and has a few whiz-bang features, people will flock. The new Mazda 3 looks brilliant on the outside though. Though the interior I assume is a dividing factor, they've taken a strong-selling car and made it more appealing on the outside. They've done it well - no surprise, especially up against the vanilla-Corolla.
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06-02-2014, 03:41 PM | #39 | |||
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What would make it a better option for the average buyer? i.e. Family of 5 why would they choose Falcon over Territory or equivalent SUV? Why would a young young couple choose a Falcon over a hatch (focus, 3, etc)? Really I think the issue has been all makes (Ford included) have brought out such a diverse range of cars that can accommodate just about everyone. Towing used to be the thing for sedans, seeing Falcodores dragging their bottoms on the ground, front pointed up towing a boat or float. Now you have crew cab utes, SUVs and 4x4s doing that job, and to be honest a better job of it. Hatches and small cars now can carry and seat comfortably 4 adults and luggage. Most of the time there is only one or two people in the car therefore no need for a large car. Ford and Holden left the sedan out to dry, only with the VF has the sedan grown up a bit but still they really are playing to a very niche market and what makes it worse is there are other sedans out there vying for that same market.
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06-02-2014, 05:32 PM | #40 | ||
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07-02-2014, 07:26 PM | #42 | ||
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I would like to see detailed figures for Ford,Holden,Honda,Toyota,Mazda ,and Volkswagen,please ...
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07-02-2014, 08:08 PM | #43 | ||
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Ford EcoSport 27 Ford Falcon 461 Ford Falcon Ute 237 Ford Fiesta 963 Ford Focus 2,074 Ford Kuga 496 Ford Mondeo 201 Ford Ranger 4X2 373 Ford Ranger 4X4 1,244 Ford Territory 681 Ford Transit 6 Ford Transit Heavy 41
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07-02-2014, 08:10 PM | #44 | ||
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Holden Barina 841 Holden Barina Spark 92 Holden Caprice 106 Holden Captiva 5 376 Holden Captiva 7 993 Holden Colorado 4X2 269 Holden Colorado 4X4 1,174 Holden Colorado 7 127 Holden Commodore 2,364 Holden Cruze 1,395 Holden Malibu 106 Holden Trax 588 Holden Utility 4X2 436 Holden Volt 4
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Mazda BT-50 4X2 351 Mazda BT-50 4X4 625 Mazda CX-5 1,853 Mazda CX-9 336 Mazda MX5 12 Mazda2 1,184 Mazda3 4,561 Mazda6 489
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07-02-2014, 08:12 PM | #46 | ||
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Toyota 86 448 Toyota Aurion 175 Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,007 Toyota Coaster 24 Toyota Corolla 2,914 Toyota FJ Cruiser 142 Toyota Hiace Bus 135 Toyota Hiace Van 454 Toyota Hilux 4X2 793 Toyota Hilux 4X4 1,751 Toyota Kluger 868 Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 383 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 639 Toyota Prado 1,024 Toyota Prius 45 Toyota Prius C 153 Toyota Prius V 64 Toyota RAV4 1,404 Toyota Rukus 24 Toyota Tarago 96 Toyota Yaris 1,103
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07-02-2014, 08:14 PM | #47 | ||
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How long has the Ecosport been on sale? 27 doesn't seem like many even if it is only the Titanium available at this stage.
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07-02-2014, 08:25 PM | #48 | |||
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Old model Mondeo nearly double Malibu sales..thats good...
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07-02-2014, 08:31 PM | #50 | ||
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07-02-2014, 09:11 PM | #52 | ||
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Thank you very much Russell,can you please also publish Honda and Volkswagen figures.
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08-02-2014, 12:37 AM | #53 | ||
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So 1371 local units for the month, meaning they need sell (or register) a further 28629 locally produced units this year to reach that 30000 units per annum. That means they need average just over 2602 local units per month from Feb through Dec (near double Jan).
I get that Jan is usually a slow month, but it is fair to expect a bit of a slow-down in the month or two prior to the new model later this year...so what are the real ramifications of not reaching 30k local units for the year? If it is a case of reach 30k no matter what, what can/will they do to get there? I'm assuming not hitting 30k is not that dramatic, as doesn't the re-balance of production now make that impossible? Not a troll - legitimate question as I wasn't aware of the 30k per year requirement until those couple of posts in the Dec VFacts thread. |
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08-02-2014, 12:41 AM | #54 | ||
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They didn't reach 30k last year (fell short by a few hundred). Didn't seem to matter.
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08-02-2014, 12:53 AM | #55 | ||
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Cheers MrZ, and just realised figures in my post don't include cars sent to Un Zud.
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08-02-2014, 08:58 AM | #56 | ||
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08-02-2014, 08:04 PM | #57 | ||
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30,000 cars a year is a very critical number. Ford would have made it last year thanks to exports. If a car maker makes less than 30,000 cars a year, the fail the criteria for the government assistance programs. Same with parts makers, they must supply parts for 30,000 cars. The difference between 29999 and 30,001 cars a year would lead to the loss of 10's of millions of dollars for Ford. The same with ford only suppliers. And you can bet the Abbott government wont bend the rules for anyone.
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08-02-2014, 08:15 PM | #58 | ||
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So if they are going to reduce production to about 1800-1900 units per month won't that make it impossible to hit 30000 units for the year?
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08-02-2014, 08:43 PM | #60 | ||
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Of course Jan sales are always low. But let's be honest, we're past the point of doom and gloom. Doom and gloom was years ago, back when Falcon would sell under 2k units in January and people were losing their minds. But my God, 461 units, January or not, that's scary. Who thought we'd ever see the day when Fiesta outsold Falcon by double, Focus outsold Falcon by more than 4 to 1 and Commodore romped it in, outselling Falcon by 5 to 1. Even the niche Toyota 86 moved more units than Falcon last month. And to think that FH is still 9 months away. I guess this is what happens when you leave a model like FG on the market with minimal changes for 6 years straight. Then there's the poor old Territory which is heading into its 10th anniversary this year, still using the same body, seats & door trims (among other things like suspension) that it had when it first rolled off the line in 2004. By the time they put it to rest, one generation of Territory will have faced off against 3 generations of Kluger in the marketplace, that's a long run! This isn't a complaint (although I'm not going to pretend that I'm not a little disappointed with Ford for dropping the ball), I'm just amazed at how things have turned out.
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