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[csv8]

Oil majors drop E10 ethanol in Queensland on supply, demand drop
Thomas Saidak | September 12, 2011
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In Australia, major oil companies are removing ethanol fuel from Queensland filling stations due to low demand, a lack of supply after recent floods, and the need to meet demands in the state of New South Wales (NSW). According to the Biofuels Association Australia, E10 filling stations are not being withdrawn in NSW.

[The Yeti]

I don't like the stuff at all, but then I personally think all petrol be it E10 E85 regular 91 or 98 is nothing more than glorified parts cleaner

I'll stick with LPG, goes great in the LPG only XP and will be going well in the Chev

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by csv8

Oil majors drop E10 ethanol in Queensland on supply, demand drop
Thomas Saidak | September 12, 2011
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In Australia, major oil companies are removing ethanol fuel from Queensland filling stations due to low demand, a lack of supply after recent floods, and the need to meet demands in the state of New South Wales (NSW). According to the Biofuels Association Australia, E10 filling stations are not being withdrawn in NSW.

Shell are also dropping their E10 pumps in Victoria.

One thing i've noticed is how expensive 95 and 98 is getting now, it used to be 4 c a litre more expensive for 95, then it was 6, then it was 8. Some are now pricing 95 at 10c a litre more expensive, when reports show it only costs around 2c a litre more to make.

Its a total scam. Totally gouging consumers to increase oil company profits.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Shell are also dropping their E10 pumps in Victoria.

One thing i've noticed is how expensive 95 and 98 is getting now, it used to be 4 c a litre more expensive for 95, then it was 6, then it was 8. Some are now pricing 95 at 10c a litre more expensive, when reports show it only costs around 2c a litre more to make.

Its a total scam. Totally gouging consumers to increase oil company profits.

Yep, last time we did a big highway trip (from here down to the Sunshine Coast and back), I decided to bite the bullet and try premium unleaded. After running the G6E right down to about ten liters in the tank and filling with premium, after a few hundred kilometers it was amazing...and by the end of the trip after a couple of tankfulls, you could notice the extra power and especially notice the increased fuel economy on the computer. However, with the price difference, it was unfortunately not worth it when I did the sums at the end of the trip...

[blackf6]

As the op information states that the government is banning unleaded, this was always the case. But the artical states that e10 is an ethanol based fuel is incorrect. The fuel is actually 91 unleaded based with between .7-.9% ethonol content hence the name e10. So with the government saying that they are banning 91 ron unleaded is proposterous what they are simply doing is mixing it per litre with the previously stated % of ethanol.

[jmack]

has shell optimax got ethonel in as my el has just done a second fuel pump in 8 months without even being driven just started it when changed the first 1 to make sure all ok .car hasnt been driven for about 12 months .and when pulled the pump apart it had rust and the rubbers around it were all chewed out .going to get sample of fuel checked but if it has ethonel in it and this is what it does to a car not used for a while its going to be pain

[atec77]

Originally Posted by csv8

Shell has replaced E10 in QLD with 95ron. E10 wasn't successful in QLD. Only Independents stock it. Sugar belongs in my coffee not my tank...

95 runs well in the daily as does 98 also giving good milage , the e10 is rubbish pouring through the motor at silly rates and under low rev load knocking like an old spring bed in a house of ill repute , 95 minimum here

[martyk54]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Shell are also dropping their E10 pumps in Victoria.

One thing i've noticed is how expensive 95 and 98 is getting now, it used to be 4 c a litre more expensive for 95, then it was 6, then it was 8. Some are now pricing 95 at 10c a litre more expensive, when reports show it only costs around 2c a litre more to make.

Its a total scam. Totally gouging consumers to increase oil company profits.

Hmm.. I've always wondered why everyone complains about fuel prices, yet many still put 95 or 98 in their vehicle when it's completely pointless to do so. It's all marketing. Obviously a boat load of people are fooled into it too, hence the price rise.

This stupid water cooler discussion topic that 98 turns all vehicles into performance rockets / self cleaning economic miracles is humerus (I've heard it many times amongst rev heads I know). I think it's caught on to the point where one could feel guilty for not using what is perceved as 'the best' fuel for their car. After all, that's the idea of marketing... convincing people they 'need' something they really don't. +1 to the oil companies.

[Bobman]

There is a noticeable difference from 91 to 95 and 98. Many cars ping on 91 and some on 95.

No conspiracy there. Cleaner fuels result in cleaner engines as well and that was proved to me by pulling my engine apart which was ran almost exclusively on 98 fuel when compared to an identical engine on 91 (I6 Falcon).

[flappist]

Originally Posted by martyk54

Hmm.. I've always wondered why everyone complains about fuel prices, yet many still put 95 or 98 in their vehicle when it's completely pointless to do so. It's all marketing. Obviously a boat load of people are fooled into it too, hence the price rise.

This stupid water cooler discussion topic that 98 turns all vehicles into performance rockets / self cleaning economic miracles is humerus (I've heard it many times amongst rev heads I know). I think it's caught on to the point where one could feel guilty for not using what is perceved as 'the best' fuel for their car. After all, that's the idea of marketing... convincing people they 'need' something they really don't. +1 to the oil companies.

I did a huge amount of testing years ago with 91, 95 and 98 (when it became available) fuel from about 1990 up to 2006 in:
EA Fairmont Ghia manual
EL Fairmont
AU Fairmont Ghia
BA GT-P
BA2 F6

I used to drive to the same places and fuel at the same petrol stations and keep a log of fuel economy worked out of litres/distance. The tests would have covered almost 600,000km and were mostly highway driving up to CQ or down to Bris with the peakhour crawl almost every time.
Fuel used was BP going south and Shell going north except before Ultimate when the south 98s were Shell.

The results:
EA: 95 about 2l/100 better than 91 with noticeably more performance on 95.
EL: about same as EA
AU: 98(shell) was slightly better than 95 and 1-2l/100 better than 91
BA: 91 would not run, 98 (ultimate was better than shell) was about 1/100 better than 95. (BA did not have a knock sensor for 91)
BA2 (std): 91 was shocking, E10 was worse, 98 ethanol was even worse, 98 was about 1/100 better than 95 with actual fuel economy being VERY temperature dependent. When it was really cold it went like a cut can and used bugger all fuel doing it. (cold for me is 5c-12c).
BA2 (280rwkw): Only ran 98 ultimate, if I needed to used anything else I flashed it back to standard)

[GT 160]

Ethanol has a lower energy output compared to petrol hence the reduced economy.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by AU1XLS

Why United are right into Ethanol
http://www.unitedpetroleum.com.au/me...y-bio-refinery

not trying to make this political but is john howard still the cheif?
and that will explain why NSW is doing this.

[DJM83]

Only use Ultimate anyway so no biggy for me.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by flappist

I did a huge amount of testing years ago with 91, 95 and 98 (when it became available) fuel from about 1990 up to 2006 in:
EA Fairmont Ghia manual
EL Fairmont
AU Fairmont Ghia
BA GT-P
BA2 F6

I used to drive to the same places and fuel at the same petrol stations and keep a log of fuel economy worked out of litres/distance. The tests would have covered almost 600,000km and were mostly highway driving up to CQ or down to Bris with the peakhour crawl almost every time.
Fuel used was BP going south and Shell going north except before Ultimate when the south 98s were Shell.

The results:
EA: 95 about 2l/100 better than 91 with noticeably more performance on 95.
EL: about same as EA
AU: 98(shell) was slightly better than 95 and 1-2l/100 better than 91
BA: 91 would not run, 98 (ultimate was better than shell) was about 1/100 better than 95. (BA did not have a knock sensor for 91)
BA2 (std): 91 was shocking, E10 was worse, 98 ethanol was even worse, 98 was about 1/100 better than 95 with actual fuel economy being VERY temperature dependent. When it was really cold it went like a cut can and used bugger all fuel doing it. (cold for me is 5c-12c).
BA2 (280rwkw): Only ran 98 ultimate, if I needed to used anything else I flashed it back to standard)

just some thing i noticed when i had a petrol powered car,
E10 was rated around 93 ron, now i beleive it's back to 91 ron? as they remove the 91ulp pumps.
so a knock sensor type car may have been ok then, not now.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jmack

has shell optimax got ethonel in as my el has just done a second fuel pump in 8 months without even being driven just started it when changed the first 1 to make sure all ok .car hasnt been driven for about 12 months .and when pulled the pump apart it had rust and the rubbers around it were all chewed out .going to get sample of fuel checked but if it has ethonel in it and this is what it does to a car not used for a while its going to be pain

do your own test, drain a litre of fuel in a clear container.
add 1/4 cup of water, wait 30minutes the ethanol will seperate from the petrol.

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by XR6menace

I filled up at the BP on the corner of Peak Downs hwy and Bruce hwy and it felt weird straight away on 91 oct (factory tune) after re-filling at Gin Gin with Ultimate 98 for the run home it felt like i had tipped rocket fuel in her Brendan !!

bottom caltex and top mobil ftw ... the fuel quality nothing to do with brand, it is those servos ....hard lesson in moranbah lol. but it still sticks the au hates that e10 stuff i have tried it a couple times only to end up driving a charf cutter .

[Cúl-Báire]

Originally Posted by FreddyDUZ747

Yet people run e85 daily with no issues.
The bagging of ethanol is getting rather tiresome imo.
I hope 91 is abollished.

No issues using ethanol here, E85 works well if the vehilce is tuned for it, and I regularly use united's 95RON + Ethanol mix which seems to be the only one that my SS, XR6 and XR8 don't run like **** on.

I welcome higher octane fuels with Ethanol content, however as pointed out in a few of the posts above I am quite sceptical of the environmental benefits.

[Franco Cozzo]

Is this Australia wide? Mum's car can't run on E10 fuel, says not to in the manual, she did it once and it ran like total *** anyways.

Plus now I've got my project car, I don't think I want to go putting E10 into it, might have to move up to 95 I think.

[basteve]

unreal is this for real? Its not fair to do this. Oh well jack daniels is quite expensive but the same alchohol contained in it is more cheaper to produce to burn in cars.

[casabonka]

I always use 95 in the Focus (recommended fuel) I went up to Port Mac 2 weeks ago, had a great drive up and half way back, filled up with an E95 (by mistake) at United, car ran like a dog and I lost 80kms to the tank - this was all in hwy driving, with double demerits so driving calm.
I wont even use e10 for my radio control cars!

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

bottom caltex and top mobil ftw ... the fuel quality nothing to do with brand, it is those servos ....hard lesson in moranbah lol. but it still sticks the au hates that e10 stuff i have tried it a couple times only to end up driving a charf cutter .

Bluepower tune is back in and Ultimate 98 is back in the tank ... I actually prefer the MOBIL 8000 but suggestion is it's the same stuff and Caltex Vortex 98 is the same and chocolate is actually bad for you and eggs are made from bacon so i give up ....

Ultimate works for me hence i tried the 91 stuff at BP as well

Wash up for economy on std tune i got 720kms out of 60L on 98 Ultimate and 625kms 58L on 91 std

Around town i get 12L avg 100km's on Ultimate 98 or 480km's or thereabouts and usually put around 53L in the tank...

[jmack]

thanks burnz ill give that a go

[AWD Chaser]

I run E10 in the Carnival... has no issues with idle, power, or fuel economy (I've accepted that a 2.1 ton box will never be fuel efficient).

I run 98 in the HSV, but am trying to find a United that has 100...

I tried e10 in the XR250, and it ran absolutley crap, just no power, and took longer to rev through the rev range. Put a tank of 98 through it and it was like a completly different engine... but the 250 is a carbie engine...

I personally think e10 is a waste of time... Didnt the US govt cut subsidies for e10 in the states?

EDIT:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...75F5IN20110616

The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to eliminate billions of dollars in support for the U.S. ethanol industry, sending a strong message that the era of big taxpayer support for biofuels is ending.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

bottom caltex and top mobil ftw ... the fuel quality nothing to do with brand, it is those servos ....hard lesson in moranbah lol. but it still sticks the au hates that e10 stuff i have tried it a couple times only to end up driving a charf cutter .

Dont really understand what you mean by bottom caltex and top mobil but if you are talking about the mobil servo at moranbah i personally know the tanker drivers and i know where the fuel comes from and the mobil servo at moranbah is from bp refinery.

[XD 351 Ute]

Originally Posted by martyk54

yet many still put 95 or 98 in their vehicle when it's completely pointless to do so.

This point is based on what facts particularly?

I'm interested to know more about this debate.

Especially considering that I've obtained better milages per tank on on the higher octane fuels - ED XR6 and ED XR8.

I grant you though that cars with EFI that don't have the smarts to read the fuel types, and the older carbies, it is probably a waste of time, but for the others, I beg to differ.

Back on topic, it isn't right when we are forced to use fuels that are not suitable for our older cars.

Ed

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XD 351 Ute

This point is based on what facts particularly?

I'm interested to know more about this debate.

Especially considering that I've obtained better milages per tank on on the higher octane fuels - ED XR6 and ED XR8.

I grant you though that cars with EFI that don't have the smarts to read the fuel types, and the older carbies, it is probably a waste of time, but for the others, I beg to differ.

Back on topic, it isn't right when we are forced to use fuels that are not suitable for our older cars.

Ed

On older cars with adjustable timing, couldn't you advance the timing a little bit to take advantage?

[EDManual]

could only be NSW, vic is going the other way lately, with many petrol stations pulling e10 from the pumps, and putting diesel in their place.

I would rather use 90% 91 octane and 0% ethanol, than 90% 91 mixed with 10% ethanol!! In fact I would almost bet that the fuel use from 9 litres of 91, as against 10 litres of e10 would be near the same! So why bother!

[XD 351 Ute]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

On older cars with adjustable timing, couldn't you advance the timing a little bit to take advantage?

Certainly can Big Damo, and that's sort of the point I was making to my quoted message......

But ethanol mixes aren't good for them at all.

Ed

[blackf6]

Back on topic, it isn't right when we are forced to use fuels that are not suitable for our older cars.
It's just the way of the world mate, like when leaded fuel was phased out. Governments make the rules such as this so as to stop old smoke belching rust buckets from being able to be run. But you can still run your oldercars on 95-98 ron, depending on age with additives, or the correct mods done to the fuel system, valves or rings.

[HBWC]

i call BS was just talking to one of the managers at the local bp refinery and he hasen't heard anything about it but he said America is baning 85