Fines for vehicle defects SA

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by GTB 351

The media release states that the SA Gov will receive $7,900,000 in extra revenue in the first 3 years. Its just a blatant money grab and has nothing to do with safety. Just watch what happens the next time we protest about no 1/4 mile venue in SA.

*tin foil hat alert*... have you even bothered attending such protest rally???.......... your scare mongering is un founded and not helping the cause....... if your car is that big a heap of **** probably better off leaving it in the shed ne ways.......

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by sudszy

blah, blah.....geez maybe people will start checking their lights more often, hope the fine for only one working headlight is double.....but motoring enthusiasts prefer people in cars that are unroadworthy?

And the AFF Caped Crusader is here to save the day, get off your soapbox because you ain't perfect so stop pretending your making Baby Jesus cry.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

And he(it) arrives right on cue to participate in the thread.


If its so dangerous to have a car with 1 head light, why do bikes have 1 head light?.

Right on cue Ben, you display your ignorance of basic road craft/safety again.

You and others dont understand what is so dangerous about a CAR driving around with only one headlight? are there others that dont know either, the mind boggles? but I suppose that's why we have to have laws and people that enforce them, some members of the public just dont get it.

[RAREV8]

You check you lights once a week? How irresponsible of you.........you could be driving around for 7 days with defected or non working lights on your car.

I hope you don't cause an accident due to your negligence.

Originally Posted by sudszy

Either way they deserve the fine, if they dont know its out, they shouldnt be on the road and need a fine to wake them up! Of course they know its out, but they drive the pos anyway because they are too lazy to work out how to fix it or will get it seen to next time the car is serviced!!! The car shouldnt move without two working headlights!, its dangerous as! Same as when people connect trailers with the lamps not working, of course they know, but they dont give a stuff.



Tough love im afraid, people should be checking their lights on a regular basis, not waiting for plod to tell them they arent working. Really what are the chances that they go one minute before plod is on your tail? I check mine all mine once a week, but really what is so hard to check them on a daily basis. Its up to the driver to make sure of all these things, and do something about them if they arent right before taking off, this hopefully will change behaviour.

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

Mmmm, I'm regularly having to change over my Gf's tail/brake light globes in her Charade (am still trying to figure out the problem - bloody Korean cars, I thought at first it wasn't earthed correctly, now I think its a current-surge problem) and she really can't afford to cop a big fine like that just because her car blows globes every now and then.

I always check her lights when I'm over/when shes leaving so its not as if she goes for long with the globe busted, and its only ever the left tail light or brake light that goes.

I've been pulled over to look for defects before, the police have always been fairly cool about it all and if you're polite and answer their questions they usually don't give you much trouble... I don't think this increased fine will change things.

I find it interesting that you blame the tail light problem on it being Korean. I spend a lot of time in traffic, and without a doubt the most common car to have brake light failures is the Commodore.

It can be solved by putting the LED 2 way globes in. I put one in my Ducati tail light and it went from blowing the brake element every second day to never blowing it again.

I think that cars with two blown brake lights (and only the centre window one in operation) should be canaried. It's reasonable to assume a driver doesn't know about one light being out, but two is just negligence. It's very common to see this scenario on the Nepean Hwy in Melb, where I spend a lot of time.

[Mechan1k]

I am currently one of the "single headlight brigade" .... but not by choice unfortunately.

Has been like it for 2 days ... but as I travel to work this week at 4am in the morning and leave work at nearly 9pm ... there has been nowhere that I have been able to get a spare H4 to stick in the ute.

And where I work ... there's no place close enough to get one ... and even though ... i work through my lunch break as I am that busy.

The servos I have tried in the meantime ... haven't had any globes in stock (which is poor form across a handful of servos). What I am supposed to do in the meantime. I'll be getting one first thing on Saturday morning at least ... and getting a couple of spares as well just to keep at home this time.

Not everything is black and white I guess.

I check my car everyday to make sure everything is working right anyway. Same with the car my wife drives as well.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

I find it interesting that you blame the tail light problem on it being Korean. I spend a lot of time in traffic, and without a doubt the most common car to have brake light failures is the Commodore.

It can be solved by putting the LED 2 way globes in. I put one in my Ducati tail light and it went from blowing the brake element every second day to never blowing it again.

I think that cars with two blown brake lights (and only the centre window one in operation) should be canaried. It's reasonable to assume a driver doesn't know about one light being out, but two is just negligence. It's very common to see this scenario on the Nepean Hwy in Melb, where I spend a lot of time.

Your right there, a large amount of cars i see on the everyday dont have any of their brake lights working apart from the center one.
Saw a brand new 4WD Patrol which had a bright tail light on and then the light would go out when it braked. Or better still you see plenty of 4WDs which have the rear indicators and brakes mixed up usually because they have had an aftermarket rear spare tyre carrier installed.

No one is saying you should check every second, but its not hard to do.
If your in a carpark and reversing out and the shops behind you have a glass wall , just jab ya brakes and look in the mirror and look at the reflection to see its all ok.

And where I work ... there's no place close enough to get one ... and even though ... i work through my lunch break as I am that busy.

And if your rego runs out and your too busy to pay it? Do you think the cop will give a damn? Heres a ticket for you.... being busy isnt an excuse.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And if your rego runs out and your too busy to pay it? Do you think the cop will give a damn? Heres a ticket for you.... being busy isnt an excuse.

But you know when the rego is due well in advanced.
Lights blow randomly with no warning.

If I finish work at 2am and find one of my lights is not working, I'm sure as hell not going to wait till daylight to drive home.

[aussie muscle]

They obviously don't realise it's hard to test your brake lights when you are on your own. it's hard to hold the brake pedal down and run to the back of the car to see them.

i don't know why manufacturer's have never put in a warning system into cars that lights on the dash when it's blown. surely not that expensive. at least, i'm not sure about leds, but bulbs are easy as they go open circuit when they fail.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And if your rego runs out and your too busy to pay it? Do you think the cop will give a damn? Heres a ticket for you.... being busy isnt an excuse.

But this has nothing to do with rego running out.
I can pay my rego online anyway ... but I can't pickup a H4 globe physically over the internet so i can go down to the carpark and put it in the ute.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

i don't know why manufacturer's have never put in a warning system into cars that lights on the dash when it's blown. surely not that expensive. at least, i'm not sure about leds, but bulbs are easy as they go open circuit when they fail.

Some models have this feature.

Even the good old KF Laser had this feature.

[sarrge2001]

Originally Posted by Sudszy

Really what are the chances that they go one minute before plod is on your tail?

Well actually, the same as them going 5 minutes before, or an hour, or next week but as usual, you are missing the point to further your own agenda as the AFF stormtrooper........

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

They obviously don't realise it's hard to test your brake lights when you are on your own. it's hard to hold the brake pedal down and run to the back of the car to see them.

You just have to run REALLY fast......

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

They obviously don't realise it's hard to test your brake lights when you are on your own. it's hard to hold the brake pedal down and run to the back of the car to see them.

i don't know why manufacturer's have never put in a warning system into cars that lights on the dash when it's blown. surely not that expensive. at least, i'm not sure about leds, but bulbs are easy as they go open circuit when they fail.

Reverse up to a wall. You can usually see the lights shining onto the wall.
Obviously the darker it is the easier it is to see them.

Or you can do what sudszy does and make your passenger get out at every set of traffic lights to have a run around the car to make sure EVERY light is still working.

[xisled]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

They obviously don't realise it's hard to test your brake lights when you are on your own. it's hard to hold the brake pedal down and run to the back of the car to see them.

i don't know why manufacturer's have never put in a warning system into cars that lights on the dash when it's blown. surely not that expensive. at least, i'm not sure about leds, but bulbs are easy as they go open circuit when they fail.

The way I test my lights is use a window at home or in the main street . I can check my brake lights and reverse lights all at the same time.

[davessleepin351]

the part that worries me is that police defect on suspicion of defect. like the whole

"i think its too low so heres a defect. I think that part is aftermarket so heres a defect."

Do i get the money back if i take it to regency and it's proved to be legal? If i get compensated, i have no problem with it. if i dont, that sucks balls

[anto]

its a money grab, nothing more nothing less.
end result is the same, your car gets a defect if it is unroad worthy and you have to get it fixed to get it back on the road,....except the govt takes another nice little slice of your meager earnings. As if things arent tough enough as it is.

they guy who come with this has probably got a raise and promotion, "nice job dan ".

[xisled]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

Quick question: can I get done for having no rear mudflaps?

With mudflaps in Victoria, you car will be deemed unroadworthy if mudflaps are attached to your car and you do not have all 4. It's roadworthy if there is 4 or none.

Only reason I know this, is because when I went to get a roadworthy cert for a car, I had 3 mudflaps on the car. The guy at the mechanic said, I need all 4 or none to be roadworthy.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by davessleepin351

the part that worries me is that police defect on suspicion of defect. like the whole

"i think its too low so heres a defect. I think that part is aftermarket so heres a defect."

Do i get the money back if i take it to regency and it's proved to be legal? If i get compensated, i have no problem with it. if i dont, that sucks balls

Probably much the same as being impounded and then being found not guilty in court much later over the incident, the impound doesn't come off your record.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by xisled

With mudflaps in Victoria, you car will be deemed unroadworthy if mudflaps are attached to your car and you do not have all 4. It's roadworthy if there is 4 or none.

Only reason I know this, is because when I went to get a roadworthy cert for a car, I had 3 mudflaps on the car. The guy at the mechanic said, I need all 4 or none to be roadworthy.

Geez, I'd have a ball with your mechanic. I've got a 70's era Valiant and mudflaps were an optional extra. (No offense to you)

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Right on cue Ben, you display your ignorance of basic road craft/safety again.

You and others dont understand what is so dangerous about a CAR driving around with only one headlight? are there others that dont know either, the mind boggles? but I suppose that's why we have to have laws and people that enforce them, some members of the public just dont get it.

Got a favour to ask of you. Could you run down to your local servo for me and buy a 5 3/4" or even a 7' sealed beam headlight for me. Got one out on my Val and my Centura. Don't want to run the risk of getting hooked $120, for having a dangerous car now and I do need to go out tonight.

[Yellow_Festiva]

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[Yellow_Festiva]

Oh dear... Still getin used to a phone wit no buttons.

Lol my phone displayed my same post 10 times and now they are gone. Go figure ...

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Geez, I'd have a ball with your mechanic. I've got a 70's era Valiant and mudflaps were an optional extra. (No offense to you)

Not to mention Police cars, fleet cars all have no mudflaps.. OMG they must be illegal... end sarcasim.. lol

Yes i think his mechanic is a bit.. um special.

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Not to mention Police cars, fleet cars all have no mudflaps.. OMG they must be illegal... end sarcasim.. lol

Yes i think his mechanic is a bit.. um special.

My fleet cars have mud flaps.........mind you, I lost one obout 500 kms west of Sydney- did that mean it was illegal for me to drive it to Ford to get a replacement!?

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I am currently one of the "single headlight brigade" .... but not by choice unfortunately.

you did have a choice.

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

What I am supposed to do in the meantime. .

Same thing you do when other unforseen events makes your car inoperative or unsafe.

Though I hardly would rate a blown light as an unforseeable event, glad that you have now decided that carrying spares is a smart thing to do , most of us see the logic in carrying a spare tyre, why not globes....and guess which is needed more often.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Right on cue Ben, you display your ignorance of basic road craft/safety again.

You and others dont understand what is so dangerous about a CAR driving around with only one headlight? are there others that dont know either, the mind boggles? but I suppose that's why we have to have laws and people that enforce them, some members of the public just dont get it.

Enlighten us with your vast knowledge oh mighty one

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

you did have a choice.




Same thing you do when other unforseen events makes your car inoperative or unsafe.

Though I hardly would rate a blown light as an unforseeable event, glad that you have now decided that carrying spares is a smart thing to do , most of us see the logic in carrying a spare tyre, why not globes....and guess which is needed more often.

I'd love to carry a spare globe for my Val and Cenny headlights, but they don't have them. They've got sealed beam headlights

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

They obviously don't realise it's hard to test your brake lights when you are on your own. it's hard to hold the brake pedal down and run to the back of the car to see them.

Just in case this isnt a wind up, there are couple of alternatives if you dont have a shop window or reflective surface to use. Often Im faced with this situation when hooking up a trailer etc and need to check the lamps.

Get your self a stick that can reach from the brake pedal to the seat, either the front of the seat or the seat back, a golf club or steering wheel lock....whatever. Adjust the seat so that you can wedge the stick between the brake pedal and the seat so it is firm enough to open the switch and leave it there while you .go to the back of the car/trailer.

Or, if you go up into the under dash area(not so easy on newer cars) , just wedge an object, a key or coin etc, between the lever of the pedal and its return stop to open the switch.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

I'd love to carry a spare globe for my Val and Cenny headlights, but they don't have them. They've got sealed beam headlights

Of course if you drive an older car, road rules and regulations are just a suggestion and even if both headlights go or indeed you cant get a replacement steering box and the thing wanders all over the road ; you should be allowed out there because it is unreasonable to expect you to carry spares or be inconvenienced by not being able to use your car....... you aren’t really serious are you?

Its not the rest of our problem to deal with if your local milk bar doesn’t stock sealed beams or someone has stolen your left handed wheel nuts, keep your car off the road until you deal with it. If it takes three months for a sealed beam to be sourced from the local repco, that’s your problem! You don’t know how to change them?, join an autoclub, they’ll probably even bring a light out for you.

but really are you trying to tell us you cant walk into any autoparts store in Australia and get a 7 inch sealed beam off the shelf, and you cant find space somewhere for it in a valiant?.......comedian!

You could even do a conversion to 7in H4s and then the spare globes would fit in the glove box(if it hasn’t rotted away), any autoparts store would be able to help you out with that too, but you are more interested in excuses?

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Enlighten us with your vast knowledge oh mighty one

Perhaps you are not the only one who thinks that regulatory bodies across the planet decided that having lamps a miniumum distance from all four corners of the vehicle was needed just so govcos could raise money for people that couldnt check them.

It would be interesting to see if indeed there are people here that can explain why this reg is necessary?

In the meantime Ben, why not do a search, 'cars with one headlight' and see what pops up.