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14-04-2011, 11:28 AM | #31 | |||
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Also, not sure why you figure Holden is more committed to Australia manufacturing than Ford? Please provide me some fact for this statement & I might change my mind!! And why does the last few sentences of your post not apply to EVERY single company on the plant?? |
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14-04-2011, 11:53 AM | #32 | ||||
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Whether we like it or not, Holden has been the more proactive manufacturer in Australia, they are more responsive to market demands and are more willing to take a punt on certain vehicle types, Crewman, Monaro etc. The amount of money spent in Oz by Holden suggests they have a long term future in Oz. Whereas Ford has only comitted to PD having any sort of future........
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14-04-2011, 12:14 PM | #33 | |||
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Ford on the other hand have not committed to anything beyond 2015/16 and refuse to give answers on this when pressed, i.e. they have said nothing about remaining in Australia (or not). Maybe they are committed but until they tell us plainly and face-to-face I'm more inclined to believe Holden has more of a commitment. There's just too much uncertainty surrounding Ford's future in Australia to think otherwise. |
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14-04-2011, 12:45 PM | #34 | ||||
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we quickly forget how Holden kept two shifts at Elizabeth by cutting wages and work in half. It is essential for Holden to have production for their Elizabeth plant because they are geared for two shifts, while we are critical of FoA, they have a much smaller work force and can get by with less production. Part of "One Ford" is right sizing production to true market need and in that case, FoA are definitly falling in line with company policy, you will find the result will be quite surprising... Conversely, the negative result of holden pursuing empty export sales is now quickly forgotten. Absolutely amazing... |
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14-04-2011, 01:06 PM | #35 | |||||
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a chance to work in the market. If those are unsuccessful, then we have other alternatives to discuss... Quote:
so everything is speculation. What could happen is that Ford may see Austraila as a strategic importance and "gift" us a car to keep a high profile, Fords global bottom line is changinging rapidly and the company will absolutly astound critics this year with the enormous financial turnaround. FoA's needs will be chicken feed to a company that's strongly in the black.... |
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14-04-2011, 01:12 PM | #36 | |||
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14-04-2011, 01:32 PM | #37 | |||
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14-04-2011, 01:56 PM | #38 | |||
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Proactive?????? I cant see how you can say Holden is More proactive, than any other business slowly dying a bad death. In 2004 they had revenue of $7.21 Billion in australia. Adjusted for inflation that figure would now be over $8 billion. In 2004 it sold 175,000 vehicles here, and exported about 52,000 cars. http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...539148332.html The last reports show that for 2010, it only had revenue of $4.4 billion in 2010, on sales of about 130,000 in australia, local production of 60,000 and exports of about 8,000. Its a carcass of a company that has basically halved in size in 6 years, that should be the first welfare recipient to be shut down, when Joolia starts her crackdown on welfare. |
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14-04-2011, 02:27 PM | #39 | |||
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I am usually the first critic of Holden on these forums. I find them to be an immoral and poorly managed company. The crewman, monaro, etc, were all failures but yet again Holden come out smelling like roses. At the end of the day, the question was "Why are Holden more comitted to manufacturing than Ford? Here is your answer,
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226039113907 Territory was not a punt, it was a shrewd investment into a segment that the late Geoff Polities could see as a potential cash cow. It would probably sadden him to see how it withered on the vine for so long........
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14-04-2011, 03:16 PM | #40 | ||
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I have been vindicated!! |
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14-04-2011, 04:06 PM | #41 | |||
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14-04-2011, 04:24 PM | #42 | |||
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trying to be a little sensitive to members here that are now facing redundancy.... |
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14-04-2011, 04:27 PM | #43 | |||
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I've said numerous times that the only thing that can save Ford is exports. However the Australian dollar has all but eroded that prospect, at least for now. Regarding Holden, let me put it into perspective: Holden axed 2000 jobs in the time leading up to as well as in the GFC. They returned many of those jobs once they were back at full production and in time for the Cruze launch. Aside from the GFC, Holden have been pretty consistent with their workforce numbers. Ford on the other hand have been in one slow, long drawn-out decline in terms of production and workforce since about 2005. They have axed in excess of 1800 jobs in that time, yet as opposed to Holden, none of them have been reinstated. The 300 that were meant to be created by Focus never happened for reasons we all know and the Geelong I6 plant doesn't count because that's almost certain to go in 2015/16. Geelong's casting plant was the only facility to have received a decent-sized jobs boost - 50 - in that period. You can sugar-coat this as much as you want but the fact remains: Ford's manufacturing arm in Australia is in free-fall and will cease to exist unless the government gets on their hands and knees begging for them to remain or throws them a massive cash incentive. I am seriously starting to question the future of the Falcon even before 2015/16. What's stopping Ford deciding to cancel whatever upcoming programs they have and announcing and end to manufacturing and giving a month's notice to the workers as things are so dire? Mitsubishi did it, why can't they? 240 jobs here, 300 jobs there; it all adds up. Soon you will get to a point where you can go on no longer. Last edited by BroadyFord; 14-04-2011 at 04:33 PM. |
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1) next gen Mondeo/Fusion 2) Territory or Explorer 3) T6 SUV in I-4 diesel and possibly V6 diesel (in lieu of I-5 diesel) Cars like Falcon and Commodore are really dying the death of a thousand cuts, Ford could put a Falcon sized body on the next Fusion/Mondeo and gain huge improvements in fuel economy without being tapped out by development costs. The big hurdle is that Thailand is so cheap to manufacture cars and SUVs.... Quote:
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14-04-2011, 04:57 PM | #46 | |||
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The only vehicle I can see being made by Ford after the Falcon and Territory go is a series of cars based on the CD4 platform - so Mondeo or Fusion hatch, wagon, and an SUV based on the CD4 (Edge?). Next gen Mustang and a 4 door derivative would be available here in RHD form for the performance crowd but they'll come from the US...
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14-04-2011, 05:01 PM | #47 | |||
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I'd bet if there was something it would be CD4 sedan / wagon and a CD4 based SUV - IF the investment can be justified ... |
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14-04-2011, 06:08 PM | #49 | |||
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vehicle production or we will close on the eve of your re-election campaign..... Ford and Holden have been at this game for years, they know how to tickle politicians.... |
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14-04-2011, 06:12 PM | #50 | |||
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14-04-2011, 06:57 PM | #51 | |||
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Terri is still dam good since its release. Imagine if they had the current diesel out. On the other hand Holden brought out the Adventera. Remember that successful model?? lol
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