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14-02-2011, 02:20 PM | #31 | |||
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I don't buy a new Ford because my mortgage does not allow it. In fact, I had to sell my two year old Territory to try and pay off my house just a little bit faster. Also, out of a group of 6 young couples we know, only one of them has purchased a new car in the last 8 years and they don't have kids ( it was a new Corolla ). So if no one under 40 with kids and a mortgage can afford to buy a new car, then why sell a large family car at all? Of course I could be miles off target, it's just my opinion really.
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15-02-2011, 06:50 AM | #32 | |||
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15-02-2011, 12:02 PM | #36 | |||
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Unfortunately we've never been in a financial position to buy a brand new car outright, but to offset this, we have bought every Falcon/FPV second hand from a Ford Dealership. Its not as much of a money winner for Ford, but its the best we can do to help. The writing is on the wall for Falcon. A part of me wonders if Ford are letting it die slowly so that we slowly come to terms with its end.
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15-02-2011, 12:12 PM | #37 | ||
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Bloody hell chin up fellas.
I think everyone needs to remember what their parents where like, I dont think much has changed there. My mum brought her first brand new car when she was in her late 40's...same story, three kids, mortgage etc... I would be interested to see the stats on prices of mortgages vs income from previous years. We all know real estate has gone bonkers, I dont think wages have increased at the same rate..could be wrong. There is still a place for the Falcon IMO, problem is it hasn't moved with the times. 2011 is bringing changes to fix this IMO. Take me for example, I have two kids under 3, married, had a house but sold and will reenter withing 24 months, im back at uni but once working (next year) ill be looking for a new car..the AU wont last forever. The difference is the competition (not Holden btw)...my wife is dead set on a diesel as her father has a Golf TDI. I dont want a mondeo but would get a focus..BUT if there was a diesel falcon then that would get the nod. Diesel Terra is good but we dont really need a SUV yet, in 5 years time or so perhaps, but there will be many others who will love this car. Just saying, alot has changed, but alot is still the same. The I4T will help aswell. EVERYONE SAYS THE FALCON IS DEAD...WHY IS THE COMMY NOT IN THE SAME BOAT THEN?? edit: Come to think of it, when I was younger all my mates dads had new commys and falcons..as company cars! This is what has killed the local industry...their should be more incentive for local business to buy locally (greater write off or something I dont know)..companies got tight and instead of getting large cars to run their employees around they get corollas....again, I hope the I4T can turn this around and Ford really hone in on local businesses to show the advantages of a falcon that can return good MPG and offer higher practicality than a small car.
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15-02-2011, 12:18 PM | #38 | |||
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15-02-2011, 12:21 PM | #39 | ||
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Dan, agreed, Fords supply chain is lackluster at best.
Ok so are people really saying the large car segment is dead...perhaps we should put a memo out to Merc and BMW that they are wasting their money aswell.... Another factor could be that small cars just aren't that small anymore aswell...so large cars need to offer something far greater than they are at the moment, unless the fuel consumption is the main issue at hand. Also, for those who run businesses here, does Ford (or Holden for that matter) offer loyalty programs?
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15-02-2011, 12:23 PM | #40 | ||
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Second hand car sales build resale prices, resale prices build lease purchases.
Please keep buying 2nd Falcons, and if you can afford it new ones !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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15-02-2011, 02:35 PM | #42 | |||
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the large car is simply becoming what the lwb cars used to be. here's a question though. for someone who has a wife and 2 kids and travels interstate every year to visit family, what other options are there? yes i'm talking about my own situation. mondeo might fit us all in, but personally i can't stand the interiors on them and the exterior styling isn't as good as falcon either (in my opinion). territory isn't an option. doesn't really have any more room and uses a lot more fuel and doesn't go as well. i'm a blue blood so i wouldn't even look at other marques but if i did, it would be the same scenario. i still find the next size down too small, not enough performance or styling isn't for me. at the end of the day, many of us on here like to make predictions (me included) but can we really speak for anyone other than ourselves and a handful of others?? |
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15-02-2011, 03:12 PM | #43 | |||
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If the I4T works out to provide roughly the same figures as a diesel, without the price premium then it should be great. But if they had thew diesel next to it I would also go that route. Im guessing FoA would prefer buyers to select the I6 LiLPG than a diesel anyway. It would be interesting to know the % of the market is made up of large cars. And again, how can the large aussie sedan be dead when the commy is still selling ok and it doesn't even offer class leading anything.
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15-02-2011, 03:22 PM | #44 | |||
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also, is the commodore going ok? its sales were also well down on what they normally are and they have a full line up on offer. |
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15-02-2011, 03:30 PM | #45 | ||
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8%, so with one million sold (damn thats high for a country with a pop of ~22M) thats 80,000 cars in the large car segment. Id have to look at what other cars are in this class to see what Holden and Ford are selling..still..even if both companies averaged 2000/month thats 48,000/year which is ok..I think and a little over 50% of the market segment between them which should be about right...seems like there is room to me if those numbers are sustainable.
The commy is doing well for a car that like I said, doesn't really excel at anything at looks like it 6+ years old. But we could also come back to the topic of which company has its head above water?
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15-02-2011, 03:39 PM | #46 | ||
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Does anyone still actually drive around the country these days? Its cheaper to fly around.
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15-02-2011, 03:48 PM | #47 | ||
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Its only cheaper to fly if you are travelling by yourself and/or you are flying between capitals.
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15-02-2011, 03:55 PM | #48 | |||
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15-02-2011, 03:58 PM | #49 | |||
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With Falcon selling 1200 Last month and commodore 2600, that was a total of 3800 (numbers rounded up) cars sold, in a Large car segment which consisted on 5056 cars. So the Falcon and Commodore make up approx 75% of the large car segment. The others being taken by Aurion (i think about 600), and others. But 5056 was only 6.9% of the 73584 vehicles sold last month. Falcon and commodores share was only 3800/73584 = 5.2%. I suppose the Corolla only got 5.5% of the whole market (4045 Corollas equate to about 3 days production at one Corolla plant) |
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15-02-2011, 04:28 PM | #50 | |||
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People are realising they can still get a 'large' car by way of SUV, maintain all functionality from before and add more functionality through what the SUV offers. OK the average SUV isn't going to beat an XR6 from 0-100km/h but with other factors like the cost of petrol and the cost of general living, outright speed is not an issue. After all...how fast do we really need to go? Besides, the low volume of Merc/BMW is largely offset by their astronomical RRP (in Australia).
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15-02-2011, 04:29 PM | #51 | ||
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For the record Polyal, i applaud your optimism. (No seriously...i do!)
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15-02-2011, 04:37 PM | #52 | ||
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The german comment was more about the market segment as a whole. While Australia is different it still has the same cars as many other countries. To say the large car segment, and thus the aussie sedan is dead is incorrect. Merc/BMW isn't really a niche brand (its their falcon/commy in europe) its just priced that way here, both companies have a multiple large/medium sedans that would compete with the falcon/commy (brand prejudice aside) if ours where available elsewhere.
Just a glass half full at the moment...IIRC Globes is in manufacturing, and yes when there is a sharp downturn is nerve racking, but the fight is long and certainly not over.
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15-02-2011, 06:35 PM | #53 | |||
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Until you need to get around. Its still cheaper to drive, unless your on your own stuck in one place.
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15-02-2011, 06:37 PM | #54 | |||
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15-02-2011, 06:43 PM | #55 | ||
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Or you live in a place like Gladstone, Queensland where there is
no such thing as cheap airfares and no competition to QANTAS Link. I actually enjoy tripping around in the R6 Ute, it really soaks up the miles and you don't get out at the other end with a sore back from all the jiggly roads. Anyone who has driven a FWd anything on roads with big ruts on the left edge of the road will attest to the pulling and diving that goes on through the steering wheel, especially when those ruts are full of water... Last edited by jpd80; 15-02-2011 at 06:49 PM. |
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15-02-2011, 06:56 PM | #56 | |||
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15-02-2011, 07:10 PM | #59 | ||||
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There is no real need for large cars anymore. If you want something big for the family or that can tow you get a SUV/4WD. If you drive around the city you get something smaller and more efficient. You want to haul a load you get a ute. The only thing Falcons and Commodores are still good for are their performance varients. So I said it before and I'll say it again, Falcon should be turned into a performance line only. Base it off the Mustang to keep costs down. Quote:
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15-02-2011, 07:48 PM | #60 | |||
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or you get a large car, that is cheap to run, doesn't feel like a barge, cheaper to maintain etc etc. |
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