2010 ford I6 vs BMW I6 - Page 2

Paxton · 05-01-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by just_pazz

I dragged off a porsche boxter in the old xt... as far as I'm aware 2.9litre straight six and one hell of a light body, so fairly similiar I would think. It'd be pretty close between the two N/A's.

That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

Road_Warrior · 05-01-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

It might have had that extra special Epica motor in it.

(see what I did there)

just_pazz · 06-01-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

Ok yeah far enough, I googled, it's a flat six....

Forgive me and I thank you for your sarcasm, much appreciated. Top bloke.

Ghiadude · 06-01-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

It might have had that extra special Epica motor in it.

(see what I did there)

I like it

just_pazz · 06-01-2010, 02:07 AM

It was no convertible astra....

xy500 · 06-01-2010, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by just_pazz

Ok yeah far enough, I googled, it's a flat six....

Forgive me and I thank you for your sarcasm, much appreciated. Top bloke.

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

just_pazz · 06-01-2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xy500

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Yeah your right... it was a pretty silly mistake.....

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hehe guess I just got a little embarrassed n defensive.

Anyway, to elaborate further as I've nothing better to do(the subtle pokes helped). boxters are mid engine two door sports cars ranging from high twelves to low fourteens stock quarter mile... depending on year and model.

I'm driving a modded 4l ba falcon, which would probably do 14.5quarter at best. The numbers don't add up, so I guess my initial statement was kinda bogus as I didn't include enough details.

I ran this boxter from a rolling start, about 40k's and I kept up with it and then started to pull away from it at speeds I'm not willing to post here for fear of further incriminating myself. It was was definately a naughties model.

Anyway moral of my intitial post was the 4l ford I6 has some serious grunt, especially when factors such as weight are taken from the equation and shifting a fat pigs 16 to 18 hundred kilo a** off of the line and can more than compete with some of the n/a 6 euro engines out there. Ford Oz have done some good work considering the size of our market and the comparative budgets to euro manufacturers.

XR Martin · 06-01-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xy500

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Porsche has made plenty of V8s and Inline 4s over the years also.

Wretched · 06-01-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kezzer

I have a (sort of friend) whose about to lay down some money for a 2010 BMW, 5 series with an I6, despite the luxury price tag, good looks and reliability, how do the Ford and BMW engines compare? I don't know BMW's at all, and he's been boasting about the car for quite some time now (without actually driving it)

I know the 7 series has a 3.0l twin turbo version, but not sure if the 5 series has this option?

The dudes VERY anti-ford, calls my FG 6 a

: would love to take him to the track and smoke him, should I be worried with either the 3.0l or TT3.0L

Two different markets. The BMW wasn't built just for straight line runs. It is a whole package, a world class sedan with a world class engine. It is meant for people who appreciate refinement.

It may be quicker or slower but I'd certainly take the 530 over the Falcon.

Rev28K · 06-01-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Id have a 335i any day of the week, regardless of any "performance" difference..

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

Perfect car for trip's to the hairdresser's.....

Or for winning the Bathurst 12 hour.

A friend has a manual 335i coupe and it matches the torque of his previous E39 540 and is as quick as his previous E36 M3 3.2 (marketed as having one bank of the McLaren F1 V12 engine)

flappist · 06-01-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by xy500

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Well except for the 928, 928S, 924, 944, 944S 944GT, 914 etc etc etc.....

Ducati888 · 06-01-2010, 11:16 AM

Can you put LPG on a G6ET?

Iggypoppin' · 06-01-2010, 11:26 AM

sure, why not.

Love to know why someone actually had to ask which is going to "smoke" the other, FG or a BMW 5 series.

....nearly as laughable as a 9 second, 6cyl, daily, fuel sipping, commodore or falcon...

JC807 · 06-01-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

G6ET would smoke any 5 series apart from the M5.

the 550i: 265kw and 500Nm.

b0son · 06-01-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Maggot

the FG sixes are capable of 14.5s quarters stock so it would be failry close.

bit still fairly irrelevant.

so what if the FG beats you in the BMW? you still get to go home in the BMW....

pottery beige · 06-01-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

Or for winning the Bathurst 12 hour.

A friend has a manual 335i coupe and it matches the torque of his previous E39 540 and is as quick as his previous E36 M3 3.2 (marketed as having one bank of the McLaren F1 V12 engine)

so??.. Still a latte sippin hairdresser's car......

mcnews · 06-01-2010, 12:13 PM

And your Falcon's are all taxi's with a few cheap bolt ons if you want to stoop down to that level. That latest Beemer is all class.

Scott · 06-01-2010, 12:27 PM

BMW's are taxis too.... and very poorly appointed until you spend serious money.

pottery beige · 06-01-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

And your Falcon's are all taxi's with a few cheap bolt ons if you want to stoop down to that level. That latest Beemer is all class.

And is this a Ford site or BMW appreciation society.. Yes ok they do have some nice gear but you will ALSO pay lot's of cash for it.. Ticking the box for a few option's with that mob make's the purchase of our car's look like beer money.. Now refer to the OP on how the BMW owner look's down on us mere Ford follower's.. Wish i knew him i'd soon open up a can of Ford whoop a55 on him and send him back to the hairdresser's quick smart!!..

mcnews · 06-01-2010, 12:33 PM

Agreed, air in the tyres seems to be an optional extra and yes they are damn expensive. But a hot BMW is nothing to be sneezed at with some Ford bogan attitude.
But yes this bloke's mate is obviously a tool and I would gladly appreciate to whip his but myseld in my Ford.

Rev28K · 06-01-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

so??.. Still a latte sippin hairdresser's car......

Yup. Maybe not the ultimate driving machine (they have to leave room for the M3) but still a good bit of gear.

His 335 has 240kw the latest 7 series with the same engine have 270kw (same as the tweaked tuner 335's are getting).

They also don't have dipsticks in them these days.

JC807 · 06-01-2010, 12:38 PM

BMWs are great cars, but we are on the wrong side of the globe unfortunately. They end up being way too expensive, and lose so much value. Even the insurance is way overpriced.
i'd love a 335i wags, but even when they have come down in price (with high kilometres too), how can i justify the insurance costs when my falcodore turbo taxi only costs $1k per year.

I looked at:

2006 BF XR6T for $23,000 with 26,000kms and 6 months factory warranty

2000 530i Sport for $24,000 with 180,000kms and no warranty + $2500 p.a. insurance

decision was pretty easy, sure the falcodore doesn't have the quality feel to it, but does have enough features, performance and cheaper running costs.

XR Martin · 06-01-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JC807

the 550i: 265kw and 500Nm.

Doesnt do high 12s like a G6ET....

JC807 · 06-01-2010, 01:59 PM

i read the g6e turbs does it in 13.43 seconds.

550i in 13.7 but who knows might beat the ford up to 250kmh and i still know what i'd rather be driving.

i guess getting back on topic though, both BMW and Ford have developed their I6 motors for so long - its great they keep getting better.

Rodp · 06-01-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JC807

BMWs are great cars, but we are on the wrong side of the globe unfortunately. They end up being way too expensive, and lose so much value. Even the insurance is way overpriced.
i'd love a 335i wags, but even when they have come down in price (with high kilometres too), how can i justify the insurance costs when my falcodore turbo taxi only costs $1k per year.

I guess it depends on where you live.

I'm going through the process of ticking boxes off for my next car. Considered a 335i but it's on the improbable list at the moment. However, as far as insurance goes, I can insure a $110k 335i cheaper than I can a $55k G6ET and it's also half the price of a $75k F6.

In Sydney at least, the Ford is excessively expensive to insure. $2800 for a new G6ET or $1400 for a new STI or $1600 for an EVO X!

The G6ET Spot · 06-01-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I guess it depends on where you live.

In Sydney at least, the Ford is excessively expensive to insure. $2800 for a new G6ET or $1400 for a new STI or $1600 for an EVO X!

: who quoted you $2800 for a G6ET, I'm paying under $900 for mine and I'm in Sydney.

4Vman · 06-01-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

Yup. Maybe not the ultimate driving machine (they have to leave room for the M3) but still a good bit of gear.

His 335 has 240kw the latest 7 series with the same engine have 270kw (same as the tweaked tuner 335's are getting).

They also don't have dipsticks in them these days.

Unfortunately some Fords have a few though...

Rodp · 06-01-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RAPID XR8

: who quoted you $2800 for a G6ET, I'm paying under $900 for mine and I'm in Sydney.

Dejavu - we went through this not that long ago... :P Allianz, NRMA, AAMI. Real insurance don't offer a useable online calculator and I can't use a pay as you drive policy since I do ~40k kms/pa which can be variable. Since I'm still around 6 months from purchase, I haven't bothered to contact them.

Closer to when I intend to purchase the car, I'll then start calling around. I've been bitten once, having a $6k insurance hike due to two thefts of my car in the space of 3 months so I shop for insurance before I shop for a car (so I know what car I shouldn't shop for...)

XR Martin · 06-01-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JC807

i read the g6e turbs does it in 13.43 seconds.

550i in 13.7 but who knows might beat the ford up to 250kmh and i still know what i'd rather be driving.

i guess getting back on topic though, both BMW and Ford have developed their I6 motors for so long - its great they keep getting better.

People on this Forum have run 12.8 in a G6ET.

Id rather the Ford and pocket the $120k difference.

4Vman · 06-01-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

People on this Forum have run 12.8 in a G6ET.

Id rather the Ford and pocket the $120k difference.

Yes at a strip.... the mag times (for ALL cars) are far more realistic to what they can do in street trim on normal roads....