New Hoon laws about to be released - Page 2

LOWBA6 · 27-05-2011, 12:18 AM

I think the biggest issue is, in the case of if your being picked on for no reason (which does happen), you have no chance to defend yourself before your car is taken off you. Basically they have the right to take your car off you for a month before you even get to have your day in court... Sounds fair to me... Not!

Parfrey · 27-05-2011, 12:24 AM

It makes my blood boil that the cops/government have so much power with new laws like this!
I have never had any trouble with the law, but this it getting beyond crazy. I can't believe they can take our cars if they want without proving anything and then let it go to court later. Running from the police will be a much harder decision to make these days!
It sucks that we (car enthusiasts/hoons) are left out in society, when people who like sport, taking drugs or most other things for that matter get looked after.
Victoria: The revenue state!

xisled · 27-05-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ZcAmbo

Looks like they dont learn just got home from work going down cherry lane what do i see about 100 odd cars parked on the side of the road some blocking the street doing burnouts every where (mainly four bangers cos the roads nice and wet lol)

They were also filming Highway patrol in cherry lane tonight. Everyone took off when the cops rocked up and the cops pulled 1 car over with 2 unmarked police cars and the film crew jumped out of the second car. Seen them as I was driving past, had to dodge a few cars coming out of Cherry lane.

I would like to see them add drink driving to hoon laws and then when a polly get's the governments car impounded we can all laugh.

vztrt · 27-05-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xisled

I would like to see them add drink driving to hoon laws and then when a polly get's the governments car impounded we can all laugh.

Won't happen. DUI seems to effect the voters that can kick the government out of power.

xisled · 27-05-2011, 12:55 AM

It just makes me wonder, because IMO drink drivers are more of a danger than someone doing a skid off the lights. But it is all about votes these hoon laws.

93EB_SXR6 · 27-05-2011, 01:03 AM

I don't agree with the government, in fact, I don't agree with anything... not even what I just wrote.
I think you see the problem here.

On a serious note; my XR6 is lowered, loud, is obviously modified (all legal mods) and I don't drive like a grandma (never pull skids or any of that crap, but do enjoy giving it a bit of lead every now and then) but I've never had any problems with the police.
If they pull you over, be polite and helpful.

Last time I was pulled over, it was in the Shaggin' Wagon, the car was packed with me and four of my mates (all of us aged 17-18), it was past midnight on a Friday or Saturday night, I had my P plates up, we were in a housing estate known for hoon driving, the back of the car was coated in mud and the car genuinely looked like a massive dreg-mobile at the time...
I was polite to the police officers, I answered their questions; (note: red are the generic questions I was asked, black are my answers - from memory).

"What are you doing in the area?", "We're going to visit a friend, she lives in the estate."
"Why did you slow down as you drove past us before?" (they had another car full of P platers pulled over): "I slowed down so I could safely negotiate your vehicle, I didn't want to hit you or your partner."
"Why have you got a steel pole in the back of the car?", "It holds the tailgate up, the struts are broken and I haven't got around to fixing it yet."
"Where are your registration papers?", "In the glovebox, here you go."
"Is this vehicle modified in anyway?" "No, only an aftermarket headunit."
"Where have you been this evening?" "We were in Hahndorf socialising."
"Have you consumed any alcohol or illicit drugs recently?" "No, I don't drink and never do drugs. Yes I'll comply with a breath alcohol content analysis."

They spoke to us (quite politely) for five minutes or so, we shared a joke or two when they told me to open the tailgate and pass them the pole; "don't drop the tailgate on my head mate!", "No worries, I'll just use the pole to prop it up!"

When my BAC came back as 0%, they told us to have a good night and drive safely and were on their way.

I've been pulled over before, but this is the only time I could have possibly been mistaken as a hoon (dreggy looking car, full of young blokes, out late on a weekend).

If you have illegal mods, odds are you knew about them before you installed them (or at least before they pulled you over) - cop the fine.

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people whinge about getting done for "angel eyes", altezza tail-lights (they look wack anyway), hollowed out cats and bald tyres... if you're stupid enough to drive an unroadworthy vehicle, you don't deserve a license.
Before I do any mods to my cars, I check to make sure they wouldn't make a car a defect.

I must say, I love the fact that I can put the HR back on the road without any form of "Roadworthy check" even though it hasn't been registered since IIRC 1999.

Stole a bit of Mr. Hicks earlier in the post

sudszy · 27-05-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ray38l

i suggest you are being very selective in what you have quoted as to what i actually said. Nothing unusual for you there.
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Lol, how could I be selective, when I quoted your whole post

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http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...9&postcount=15

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...1&postcount=24

Yeh, fairly typical here, when people have no comeback for what they have written or realise its stupid then claim they have been quoted out of context etc......

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Originally Posted by ray38l

So sudszy you have no problem with someones car being taken off them for a crime they did not commit? To me its equivalent to theft only done by the state.
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I think its very clear what i wrote? Owning a car is in many ways no different to owning a gun, they are both lethal weapons when used inappropriately.

If the gun is used by someone other than the owner and involved in an illegal activity and the weapon siezed, you are going to carry on about the poor innocent gun owner?
Its the owners responsibility to know where that gun is and not allow it to be used by irresponsible people and/or to keep it locked away from them.

there is recourse for both gun and vehicle owners if they can prove that the gun/car was stolen and that they had taken reasonable steps to secure them...one reason why it is an offence to leave keys in a vehicle.

93EB_SXR6 · 27-05-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

Lol, how could I be selective, when I quoted your whole post

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http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...9&postcount=15

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...1&postcount=24

Yeh, fairly typical here, when people have no comeback for what they have written or realise its stupid then claim they have been quoted out of context etc......

I think its very clear what i wrote? Owning a car is in many ways no different to owning a gun, they are both lethal weapons when used inappropriately.

If the gun is used by someone other than the owner and involved in an illegal activity and the weapon siezed, you are going to carry on about the poor innocent gun owner?
Its the owners responsibility to know where that gun is and not allow it to be used by irresponsible people and/or to keep it locked away from them.

there is recourse for both gun and vehicle owners if they can prove that the gun/car was stolen and that they had taken reasonable steps to secure them...one reason why it is an offence to leave keys in a vehicle.

Would you say that I have approached the topic matter well?
I'd say I've adhered to the rules of the forum more effectively than you...

pottery beige · 27-05-2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwik6

SA has had this for a while now.

Mine got impounded for wheel spin away from the lights.
It'll still be another 6+months before I go to court for it.
You get part of the punishment before you are proven guilty.

law is an *** in SA.... only takes another two not really hoonish related like a dui or driving disqualified charges over a TEN year period and they try and take your car for good.......

mcnews · 27-05-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Parfrey

It makes my blood boil that the cops/government have so much power with new laws like this!
I have never had any trouble with the law, but this it getting beyond crazy. I can't believe they can take our cars if they want without proving anything and then let it go to court later. Running from the police will be a much harder decision to make these days!
It sucks that we (car enthusiasts/hoons) are left out in society, when people who like sport, taking drugs or most other things for that matter get looked after.
Victoria: The revenue state!

where will it all end, it's a disgrace. Guilty until proven innocent etc. I can't imagine what delusions of hypocrisy people that agree with these travesties subject themselves to.

sudszy · 27-05-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

where will it all end, it's a disgrace. Guilty until proven innocent etc. I can't imagine what delusions of hypocrisy people that agree with these travesties subject themselves to.

Initially, I thought, lose your car for a month, big deal, they'll still do it, similar to the proposed packaging of ciggies in brown packets.

, ...but when we have people carrying on with nonsensical offerings like ^, and ciggy companies carrying about how the rules will hurt the little guy....blah, blah, makes me think the regulators may have hit the spot!

GT450 · 27-05-2011, 08:18 AM

Parfrey please do not call car enthusiasts hoons They are two very different types of people. I'm with Sudszy it seems the only ones complaining are those with something to fear from the new laws i.e the ones likely to commit the offences . Well do the crime do the time and if it happens to be someone elses car then maybe people will start thinking before they hand over their keys .
I want my children and grandchildren to be able to drive on roads free of idiots, and if it takes laws like this, so be it. Some of you however do not.
GT450

Parfrey · 27-05-2011, 09:42 AM

I'm not calling car enthusiasts hoon, but society is.

Having said that... i do consider myself as a car enthusiast AND a hoon

I enjoy my cars and driving them, i might 'hoon' but that doesn't mean i do burnouts past primary schools at 200kmh.

Poetic Justice · 27-05-2011, 09:57 AM

I'm interested to know of any potential compensation should the Police get it wrong.

Case in point; a few years ago now I was done for 'hooning' despite the fact I hadn't done anything. My car was sitting in an industrial estate with no fuel one night where a few cars were actually doing burnouts. Given my car was parked away from others and had bald tyres they automatically assumed it was me who was partaking in any hooning behaviour at this particular instance.

The reaction of the police was to impound my car. They then said they would contact me later regarding charges related to the offence, but would need to obtain witness statements from those who were in attendance at the time. Naturally, if you're simply around friends at the time I wouldn't think (unless you're a deadset *******) anyone is going to happily put up a witness statement against you. Now, given the police had not witnessed any misbehaviour, with no witness statement they were unable to lay any charges.

However, my car was towed and impounded for 48 hours as per the current rules at the time costing me just under $500 from memory, plus the $110 it cost me to have the car trucked from the impound back to my work.

I'm in no dire position enough to challenge this, but I would wonder if a case such as this were to repeat, with the car being impounded being their daily driver and the police are unable to lay relevant charges, what compensation could apply to someone who has had to fork out hundreds in the fees related to this, as well as any potential costs for public transport or loss of work as a result of having no vehicle?

ray38l · 27-05-2011, 10:44 AM

This law doesn't affect me because i don't drive in a way that would be considered like a hoon. In saying that i hate this law so much because of the fact it affects innocent people without having to prove anyone guilty.
It seems if your a hoon you have less rights then a suspected terrorist.

xisled · 27-05-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I'm interested to know of any potential compensation should the Police get it wrong.

Case in point; a few years ago now I was done for 'hooning' despite the fact I hadn't done anything. My car was sitting in an industrial estate with no fuel one night where a few cars were actually doing burnouts. Given my car was parked away from others and had bald tyres they automatically assumed it was me who was partaking in any hooning behaviour at this particular instance.

The reaction of the police was to impound my car. They then said they would contact me later regarding charges related to the offence, but would need to obtain witness statements from those who were in attendance at the time. Naturally, if you're simply around friends at the time I wouldn't think (unless you're a deadset *******) anyone is going to happily put up a witness statement against you. Now, given the police had not witnessed any misbehaviour, with no witness statement they were unable to lay any charges.

However, my car was towed and impounded for 48 hours as per the current rules at the time costing me just under $500 from memory, plus the $110 it cost me to have the car trucked from the impound back to my work.

I'm in no dire position enough to challenge this, but I would wonder if a case such as this were to repeat, with the car being impounded being their daily driver and the police are unable to lay relevant charges, what compensation could apply to someone who has had to fork out hundreds in the fees related to this, as well as any potential costs for public transport or loss of work as a result of having no vehicle?

If you are found not guilty then you get all the money back you had to pay for the car being impounded.

In Victoria Police will only impound your car if they actually see you doing the offence or you admit it to them. How I know this, my car was caught on film, doing burnouts and such, on the video footage, it did not have the picture of the driver only the number plates. The police got hold of this footage and called me a day later. I was in Sydney at the time and had been for the previous week. So when I got back a 2 weeks later had to go for a trip to the cop shop. The police showed me the footage, told them it was not me blah blah blah gave them a copy of my plane tickets. I asked them about impounding my car because they said they wanted to but could not because it was out side 10 days of the offence happening. They also said if they did not impound the car within the first 2 days, they need to get a magistrate to issue a warrant to seize the car and needs to be done within 10 days of offence.

Also spoke to a solicitor who said even tho the police have video footage, they would have to prove when the offence actually took place, as the police only have a year to charge you with the driving offence. Spoke to the police and they pretty much confirmed everything that my solicitor said including that if they did impound a car by mistake they could be sued.

MexicanBatman · 27-05-2011, 11:40 AM

Serious question, but how long is it before my bmx gets impounded, I mean I do stunts on it skids wheelies jumps, general hooning, but this is ok... But if I drink and ride my bmx there goes my car license... Same deal with dirt bike riding legally in the bush, how long is it until the cops impound everything?

It's our fault it's gone this far, mainly because we the people are lazy and weak.

icer · 27-05-2011, 11:41 AM

omg did someone say protest on the streets?!

Do you know how many people would attend? Do i need to remind how many people rocked up to the prinny hwy/wgl road bob jane protest? And what happened? (not that anything came good of it).

But a protest, middle of city, i recon easy 10s of thousands would come. Id take a week off work just to go every day to it.

What is stopping a cop having a bad day, to pull you over, whilst you are doign nothign but going to work normally, who gives you attitute, then just says 'ok thats it you where 'wheel spinning' (even though you wernt) and smash you for hooning + 30 day impoundment.' just to boost his ego and make himself feel better cause his daughter was killed in a hoon incident with hotted up cars. ETC ETC.

You cant defend it in any way. Probably even with a car load of people to defend it and cop would STILL get his way.

blah.

/rant

Streets · 27-05-2011, 11:45 AM

Mate you dropped your tinfoil hat

Parfrey · 27-05-2011, 12:10 PM

I don't think he was wearing a tinfoil hat, that sort of thing does and will continue to happen!!
Anyone know the laws in regards to filming a police officer when you get pulled over??

The main problem with a protest is alot of the people who turn up will cause trouble.. making an even worse name for 'hoons'.
Another thing that sucks is alot of people (me included) have no idea how to protest something like this and get anywhere, i don't have the political knowledge to do anything so not much will be done about it.

GreenR · 27-05-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

it seems the only ones complaining are those with something to fear from the new laws i.e the ones likely to commit the offenses .

Heavily disagree. I am complaining because it is yet another win for the Vic government. The government that is already over controlling and taking all of us motorists for a ride. It is another step towards them having complete control. It is them using the excuse of "hooning" to profit even more out of an area they know they can.

I am complaining because not for 1 second do I believe anything they do regarding driving laws is for "safety".

galaxy xr8 · 27-05-2011, 12:33 PM

Don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about,
Don't attract attention to yourself with bling and ricer gear, then you don't have anything to worry about.
have a clean driving record,
Then you don't have anything to worry about.
It's only those that fear this that are the ones that fear getting caught one day for what they know they allready do.

Poetic Justice · 27-05-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xisled

If you are found not guilty then you get all the money back you had to pay for the car being impounded.

In Victoria Police will only impound your car if they actually see you doing the offence or you admit it to them.

I would have to disagree with this. The case I mentioned above, the police officers (who I note were regular officers, not highway patrol/tmu) did not witness me performing any hoon activity. They were actually reasonable blokes and as far as I could see were going to let me off with a warning... that was until the SS rocked up. Officer stepped out of his car, walked to my car, looked at the tyres and basically said, "Right, I'm calling a tow truck." Was as simple as that. Had even said to me that whilst he had no proof, he would follow up when he had his witness statements etc. Understandably I can agree with the idea of looking at the tyres, but that isn't to say that they were bald as a result of legal activity (which it was.)

Now, with regards to your first call, I'm not going to push the issue and attempt to claim a refund as it would be silly for me to bring it up and then have them suddenly decide to 'look further into it' etc...

xisled · 27-05-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I would have to disagree with this. The case I mentioned above, the police officers (who I note were regular officers, not highway patrol/tmu) did not witness me performing any hoon activity. They were actually reasonable blokes and as far as I could see were going to let me off with a warning... that was until the SS rocked up. Officer stepped out of his car, walked to my car, looked at the tyres and basically said, "Right, I'm calling a tow truck." Was as simple as that. Had even said to me that whilst he had no proof, he would follow up when he had his witness statements etc. Understandably I can agree with the idea of looking at the tyres, but that isn't to say that they were bald as a result of legal activity (which it was.)

Now, with regards to your first call, I'm not going to push the issue and attempt to claim a refund as it would be silly for me to bring it up and then have them suddenly decide to 'look further into it' etc...

Did you have to goto court about this. If they did not take you to court, then that means they did not charge you and you can claim your money back. As long as it has been longer than a year since they impounded your car. But it is upto you.

Poetic Justice · 27-05-2011, 02:00 PM

I'm not fussed, it was about 3 years ago. And no I didn't go to court.

Parfrey · 27-05-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about,
Don't attract attention to yourself with bling and ricer gear, then you don't have anything to worry about.
have a clean driving record,
Then you don't have anything to worry about.
It's only those that fear this that are the ones that fear getting caught one day for what they know they allready do.

Bling and ricer gear has nothing to do with it, you could just have a nice done up car and be targeted. Why should i have to drive a standard looking car just so im not targeted by police? The rules and regulations are slowly closing in on us... its going to be fun in the future when we'll all go to jail for doing 1km over the limit etc.
IMO the punishment does not match the crime, you or I could cop a hypothetical 20k fine for accidently losing traction in the wet... i wonder what the punishment is for bashing someone or stealing? which is worse?

StrokedXT · 27-05-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

Parfrey please do not call car enthusiasts hoons They are two very different types of people. I'm with Sudszy it seems the only ones complaining are those with something to fear from the new laws i.e the ones likely to commit the offences . Well do the crime do the time and if it happens to be someone elses car then maybe people will start thinking before they hand over their keys .
I want my children and grandchildren to be able to drive on roads free of idiots, and if it takes laws like this, so be it. Some of you however do not.
GT450

ummm no, allot of people oppose the laws and understand it contradicts everything our Legal system is meant to stand for and uphold. My 65 year old father who has never even brushed over the speed limit or chirped a tyre opposes this and similar laws.

Me personally dont think im at risk of loosing a car and i oppose it as have others in the thread who have clearly stated that they have never fallen foul of the law.

Your view that only those with something to fear will be punsihed is exactlty what the government wants, so they can continue to push the boundaries more and more in other areas.

mrbaxr6t · 27-05-2011, 03:05 PM

OKAY with my cars' current setup when the roads are wet and you try to take off from a standing start you have two options 1. stall and 2. chirp rears the way these laws are heading I won't be able to drive my car if its raining for fear of chirping the wheels and as a result putting a dozen baby fur seals through a meat grinder.

they won't be happy until we are all driving speed limited camrys at 60kph, I really tire of these new laws and powers handed to police, the current setup isn't working if it was there would be no cars left to impound by now because they are all already impounded or crushed, all I can see this increase in powers doing is pushing the single brain celled individuals into feeling trying to outrun the cops is the only option, and when they do innocent bystanders or other road users will pay with their lives - yeop these laws will reduce the road fatalities

and whilst I am on my soap box mobile speed cameras detect one illegal activity and one alone what if you are driving an unregistered vehicle (but you dont speed) then nothing will come of it, drive past a squad car in the same circumstance and I wager the outcome very different, why such a heavy emphasis on the laws that raise money and increasingly less emphasis on the laws that don't generate revenue, the public isn't stupid.

xisled · 27-05-2011, 03:24 PM

I can see these laws putting unsafe cars onto the road more than removing them. A lot of people I know because of these laws have gone out a purchased a car for around $1000 dollars. They have a good car and a burnout car. They buy these cars with rego and it is usually a VN Commo or something similar. They get dodgy RWC, put the car into their name and use it to do burnouts. Most of these cars are very unsafe and heaps of junk. I can not see how making these law's tougher will fix the problem.

galaxy xr8 · 27-05-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Parfrey

Bling and ricer gear has nothing to do with it, you could just have a nice done up car and be targeted. Why should i have to drive a standard looking car just so im not targeted by police? The rules and regulations are slowly closing in on us... its going to be fun in the future when we'll all go to jail for doing 1km over the limit etc.
IMO the punishment does not match the crime, you or I could cop a hypothetical 20k fine for accidently losing traction in the wet... i wonder what the punishment is for bashing someone or stealing? which is worse?

I think you are going over the top a little,
Bling and ricer has a lot to do with it, as they are vehicles that stand out and say "hey come and pick on me".
I'm not saying you have to have a standard car, but also have a little respect and do not go over the top and attract unwanted attention by adding bling.
Also if you drive mature then really you should have nothing to worry about then should you....
Drive like a fool , then expect to be caught, it's simple.
People need to start to show some respect when they are on the road.