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09-07-2011, 12:18 PM | #391 | |||
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kind of like how the original Mustangs and Falcons were brothers but not on the same platform.... Like Falcon and Territory sharing around 40% of their parts but managing to be so different too each other. |
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13-07-2011, 06:56 PM | #392 | |||
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GM confirms more Holden cop car deliveries
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14-07-2011, 12:31 AM | #393 | ||
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I wish GM would start operating like one company, and not lots of separate companies. I think Bob Lutz had the same opinion on that.
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14-07-2011, 10:19 PM | #394 | |||
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The other issue is that the Commodore ute makes a better divvy van for the time being, so the bulk of the police market belongs to holden.
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I'm a Gizmos man but damn, if I could buy a stripped out PPV spec Caprice for $35K I would, good potential performance car right there.
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16-07-2011, 11:45 AM | #396 | ||
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The Ford Police Advisory Board was advised the MSRP difference between
Crown Vic PI and V6 AWD Interceptor sedan (non EcoBoost) is $800. The belief is all concessions will carry over. New Hampshire state contract pricing for the Crown Vic PI is $19,500. The Charger is $19,400 Both vendors have a ample supply in stock thus requiring the extention of the contract to Jan, 2012.. I don't see Holden bothering either Ford or Dodge's police vehicle contracts... |
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25-08-2011, 06:18 PM | #397 | |||
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/134567/u...rolet-caprice/
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25-08-2011, 08:59 PM | #398 | ||
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it does not look promising for the tauras as cop car, pity we could`nt send them some lhd falcons.
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26-08-2011, 09:49 AM | #401 | |||
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But Hey, even the Standard falcon has more room than the Taurus, and also than the Caprice, in all ways that count except rear leg room. |
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26-08-2011, 02:57 PM | #402 | ||
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I just can't believe how stupid Ford North America are being with this. Fancy killing off a great RWD V8 platform just to introduce a crappy AWD one based on front wheel drive car. In all my research, I've realised that after the Crown Vic disappears, the Aussie RWD Falcon will be the ONLY RWD Ford SEDAN left on the planet. All Ford's other sedans and coupes will be FWD/AWD. The only RWD vehicles left (apart from the 2 DOOR mustang) will be their utes (yanks love to call em 'TRUCKS').
At least Chrysler and GM have kept a brain in their heads and have some sort of RWD sedan that the police can use. I say good luck to the Caprice (even if it is a Holden), as it's an Aussie built car that's going to get used overseas (even if it is for a niche market) GM even have a Cadillac model that's RWD. Ford don't have anything now. All the Lincolns etc will be FWD/AWD. What a sad time for the history of Ford. At least us Aussies still have a RWD sedan....
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26-08-2011, 04:42 PM | #403 | |||
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for now, they are talking using the taurus platform in the future and doing away with the falcon rwd setup!
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26-08-2011, 05:02 PM | #404 | |||
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The biggest mystery is why you still don't comprehend the reason Ford switched to FWD/AWD.... That move makes perfect sense to a manufacturer in search of maximum bang for bucks. Taurus and Explorer are selling well, the Chicago is running two shifts and expects to go to three when Saint Thomas closes next month, Ford reduces the expenses associated with competing products and reduces production capacity. Picking up only half of their current police sales will see a nett advantage over running two plants with different products. FWD/AWD vehicles makes more sense in snowy winter conditions, being able to sell police versions of Explorer and Taurus with a lot of common parts gives Ford a big edge... |
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26-08-2011, 05:08 PM | #405 | ||
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The Crown Vic was a real tough looking police car (as was the Chevrolet Caprice), but the Impalas and Taurus' just look like weak examples.
Same as Astras in the UK. Looks ridiculous.
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26-08-2011, 05:09 PM | #406 | |||
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Falcon is like Mark Twain's saying, "reports of my death are greatly exaggerated...." |
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26-08-2011, 09:20 PM | #407 | |||
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And its not a great chassis, its absolute garbage. Heavy, ponderous and poor crash safety. Its a relic from the 70's, and it handles just like it. But the cops love it because its reliable, strong, simple and just about unbreakable. And having the same basic car for so long means all the equipment they use is interchangeable, so all the old police gear can be used over and over again. Ford have designed the Taurus to accept the old gear as well which was a good move. |
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27-08-2011, 11:56 AM | #410 | |||
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in getting bulk sales from police departments. Add to that, the reasons you said for discontinuing panther as well as gaining scales of economy through adapting an existing set of vehicles and elimination of one complete assembly plant, Ford is looking good for increasing profitability even with anticipated reduced sales. It's all about bottom line.... |
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27-08-2011, 12:01 PM | #411 | |||
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Ford to charge near full price for vehicles whilst being able to sell a lot more value added high series versions. Falcon inventory is not as bad as you make out, a lot of it has been eroded through 3-day production and building Territory at 1 to 1 rate with Falcon. |
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27-08-2011, 04:17 PM | #412 | ||
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Forget the drivel from caradvice. The Crown Vic's are in run-out mode and Ford are targetting those police depts that are still unsure about the FWD/AWD Taurus. Those police depts (like North Charleston) will let the larger depts like the NYPD and the LAPD be the early adopters and iron-out any bugs with the Taurus Police interceptors.
In the mean-time, the run-out specials on Crown Vics keep the police in Fords and more importantly out of Dodge Chargers and Chevrolet Caprices.
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I Think the biggy for the US Pol Depts oor the Taurus will be the fact that all the interior gear from the CV will bolt straight in - this is a huge cost saving.
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04-09-2011, 02:42 PM | #415 | ||
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I thought Holden were selling the majority of the 70,000 police cars sold in the US per year. Tens of thousands of them they claimed.
Surely Drive wouldn't lie. |
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22-09-2011, 06:56 PM | #416 | |||
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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/21/f...rsuit-ratings/
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23-09-2011, 06:48 PM | #417 | |||
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23-09-2011, 07:09 PM | #418 | ||
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Heh, heh, we'll soon see.......September's sales figures for the PPV should be out in just over a weeek's time.
They will be lucky to be over 500, the competition is that fierce and everything comes down to price... The only thing Holden can count on is small "Mayberry" Sheriffs indulging themselves.... |
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23-09-2011, 07:12 PM | #419 | |||
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With the Crown now finally out of production I wonder if that will let them gain a few more orders?
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24-09-2011, 01:29 AM | #420 | ||
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Interesting that that blurb puts the impala ahead of ALL v6s.
There must some small print that says "forced induction v6 is excluded from these figures". |
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