Omg !! Nissan Xtrail !!!!

[gtfpv]

hired one of these for a couple of weeks , OMG !!! JUST checked the new car price auto 2wd ST CVT AUTO . 27990 DRIVE AWAY . SORRY XR6 I think maybe the xtrail is a better car , more space , more econominc , only a 4 cyl but doing 100km hr feels like your sitting on 60km/hr . quiet big . i could not believbe the price when i checked online . for say 29k inc towbar and tints with metalic paint . maybe i should have one of these instead of the fg xr6 .
I'M TORN .

[csv8]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

hired one of these for a couple of weeks , OMG !!! JUST checked the new car price auto 2wd ST CVT AUTO . 27990 DRIVE AWAY . SORRY XR6 I think maybe the xtrail is a better car , more space , more econominc , only a 4 cyl but doing 100km hr feels like your sitting on 60km/hr . quiet big . i could not believbe the price when i checked online . for say 29k inc towbar and tints with metalic paint . maybe i should have one of these instead of the fg xr6 .
I'M TORN .

and that is one of Fords problems, great cars, but overpriced when compared to the opposition. KUGA should be $10k less . Same with Focus Titanium thats $5k over priced.. Ford needs to get realistic with prices...

[Jim Goose]

Friend recently bought a 2006 Xtrail... we looked at the CRV and RAV4 as well.
Xtrail wins hands down, pretty roomy, had the best gear change, best acceleration i think. The only thing i didnt like was the plastic front guards!!!!

Oh and its the only one which isnt constant 4WD!

[sgt_doofey]

If you can sacrifice a bit of boot space, then check out the Renault Koleos. Same Nissan drivetrain but a much better car feature wise. The only thing the x-trail has over it is the boot space.

[tranquilized]

Better than an XR6?

Its a different car in a different market I would have thought, I dont know why you would compare them.

Its all down to what you need out of a car - a degree of performance, driving dynamics and looks (XR6) or... practicality.

[Road_Warrior]

Comparing an X-Trail to an XR6 is like comparing a chainsaw to a frying pan. They've got completely different purposes and market niches and you would have bought the XR6 for a reason no doubt...

[gtfpv]

my xr6 gets me to work and back , it is a big powerfull car with fair boot space and reasonably economic , comfortable with a nice standard stereo , and safe for travelling with 4 occupants and can tow 1600kg .
the nissan xtrail matches it in these areas except performance , but has about 3 times the boot space . sells for $9000 cheaper and is slightly more economic .
of course i can compare them .

and just to be fair , i heard you can buy an xr6 for 33k drive away . i would need about 28 k for an extrail retail .

[gcg2503]

Totally different market mate.

Different planets even!

[saam]

It is a differnet market from the manufactures point of view

But from a buyer like the op he can compare the two to match his own needs and driving style

Nothing wrong with nissans either from my experience

If i could own 5 cars i would but some people need a 5 car into 1 arrangement

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

Totally different market mate.

Different planets even!

lets not forget an xr6 is a base falcon stable mate . and a damn good car , . i'm basing my judgement on space, price, safety,comfort and economy .

if you went for looks you pick the xr6 , if you went for performance you would pick the xr6 .
if you park them next to each other , take them for a drive and pick and judge them you would say they are both 37000 cars .
this is waht i thought , till i checked the online prices . $27990 drive away .

[blueoval]

Is the x-trail your looking at petrol or diesel?

[mik]

but the base falcon is far better equipped these days, how much more economical are they? they must have improved somewhat because they used to be a thirsty pig of a 4 cylander, i did like the can cooler in the dash, they used to have terrible torque steer as well, perhaps the cvt has done something for that?

[RAPID_BA]

Years ago 4 cyl offerings were mediocre against the falcon.

Nowadays 4cyl motors offer the performance of a big 6 from 10 years back at half the fuel usage. The small cars are also pretty big as well. That level of performance is adequate for most people. Hence success of camry, cruze, lancer.

For many a xr6 is overkill

[turbodewd]

get a 2nd hand EcoLPI - solved! Halve your fuel bills...keeps the power n torque. Unless u really need big bootspace.

[RASER]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

hired one of these for a couple of weeks , OMG !!! JUST checked the new car price auto 2wd ST CVT AUTO . 27990 DRIVE AWAY . SORRY XR6 I think maybe the xtrail is a better car , more space , more econominc , only a 4 cyl but doing 100km hr feels like your sitting on 60km/hr . quiet big . i could not believbe the price when i checked online . for say 29k inc towbar and tints with metalic paint . maybe i should have one of these instead of the fg xr6 .
I'M TORN .

We had a XTrail, they are simply the BEST compact SUV on the market.

You wont go wrong with a XTrail, just remember the current model is on they way out, new model out in 2013.

Cheaper now then we purchased ours, but wont complain as when traded we still got back 75%, so strong on resale too.

THIS is the whole reason the Falcon is struggling, the punters want SUV's

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Years ago 4 cyl offerings were mediocre against the falcon.

Nowadays 4cyl motors offer the performance of a big 6 from 10 years back at half the fuel usage. The small cars are also pretty big as well. That level of performance is adequate for most people. Hence success of camry, cruze, lancer.

For many a xr6 is overkill

100% agree. Jump into a Lancer or a Camry and you will be surprised at the space and comfort they offer, as well as the economy.

My wife thinks a Focus is big... it will be our family car and I think it will serve 95% of our needs while returning a combined consumption of around 7L per 100.

The segment has changed... a 'small' car is now around the 4.5m long mark. Add 6 airbags, 5 star safety, decent interior room for 4 adults, good economy and a price of 20-25k on the road it is hard to justify a larger car.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Comparing an X-Trail to an XR6 is like comparing a chainsaw to a frying pan. They've got completely different purposes and market niches and you would have bought the XR6 for a reason no doubt...

Both cars that get you from A to B. One does it in comfort, safety and style at an affordable price and the other is a Ford.

My Terry is my last Aussie built Ford I'll buy as a daily driver, it is the biggest POS I've ever owned. Thirsty as all get out and the suspension, gearbox, driveline clunks at 70,000kms sound like a HQ holden paddock basher. Aussie Engineering at it's best....

Cars like the Xtrail is the reason Falcon is losing sales.

[FPV8U]

Xtrails are great cars, have a couple of friends with them and would seriously consider one for the Mrs next ride.

[Mr Hardware]

Interesting then that the xtrail, when compared to its competitors, often comes in the lower half of the field. You see what just happened to you, OP? Xtrails and the like are killing the falcon.

Also apart from height, how does an xtrail differ to a lancer or corolla wagon?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Interesting then that the xtrail, when compared to its competitors, often comes in the lower half of the field. You see what just happened to you, OP? Xtrails and the like are killing the falcon.

Also apart from height, how does an xtrail differ to a lancer or corolla wagon?

Bigger boot, prob slightly larger interior, more powerful engine, slightly higher consumption, slightly higher insurance??

Mum has a Hyundai Santa Fe... outstanding vehicle and the rear cargo area is cavernous. XTrail would probably be much the same.

[SSVPom]

I've gone from AU2 Ghia, to SSV Sportwagon to currently a Mitsubishi Outlander with 7 seats.

All very different market segments, and prices, but ultimately they are all 'Family' cars, just bought on different budgets.

The Outlander wins hands down for reliability, quality, space, warranty, gadgets, practicality and economy. So as a family choice which the wife approved of and doesn't scare herself when driving, it wins.

[Mr Hardware]

Yellow Festiva, the larger engines in the small SUV's are only there to cater for their extra bulk. Interior room (esp width, which is what falcon is king at) is no different in a corolla or in an x-trail.

The Santa Fe's aren't in the same league as the Xtrail. The Santa-Fe is more of a Pathfinder competitor, the Xtrail competes with the ix35 or Tucson in the Hyundai range.

I've driven both the x-trail (current and old model) and the Santa Fe, and the Santa Fe is hands down in every way superior to the small and dynamically-challenged xtrail.

Words cannot express how much I loathe the X-trail. People here bang on about how the Toyota Camry is boring, well the x-trail is no better! The drivers seat feels like a dining table chair, sitting up at right angles like the queen. The accellerator has that typical 4-cylinder doughyness about it, the dash is even more cheap and plasticky than a BA and you almost rub shoulders if you've got a mate in the passenger's seat. There's bugger all rear leg room, the rear doors are really short and it just overall feels like a boring medium-sized 4cyl wagon with a squared off nose, because that's what it is.

[G6ET8U]

I had one as a hire car while my car was getting modded. Brand new with a couple of hundred k's on the clock, CVT and what ever else.

It was the most boring car I'd ever driven. Not my cup of tea at all. Terrible seat and position, just poor.

Jack

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

The drivers seat feels like a dining table chair, sitting up at right angles like the queen. The accellerator has that typical 4-cylinder doughyness about it, the dash is even more cheap and plasticky than a BA and you almost rub shoulders if you've got a mate in the passenger's seat. There's bugger all rear leg room, the rear doors are really short and it just overall feels like a boring medium-sized 4cyl wagon with a squared off nose, because that's what it is.

The styling of the X-Trail is very boring. It's a squarish sort of box on wheels. The Renault Koleos we looked at has style about it, so we preferred that over the X-Trail. The Koleos just has a boot that isn't big enough for our needs with a 2 week old family.

[MAFIA]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

hired one of these for a couple of weeks , OMG !!! JUST checked the new car price auto 2wd ST CVT AUTO . 27990 DRIVE AWAY . SORRY XR6 I think maybe the xtrail is a better car , more space , more econominc , only a 4 cyl but doing 100km hr feels like your sitting on 60km/hr . quiet big . i could not believbe the price when i checked online . for say 29k inc towbar and tints with metalic paint . maybe i should have one of these instead of the fg xr6 .
I'M TORN .

Over here in WA no one but government buys nissan Xtrail cause these are the main vechicle use for speed cameras along with Hyundai i40 vans! Drive one here and expect to get abused.

[tweeked]

the 2011 (2012 not rated yet, dont know if it has changed) is 4 star Ancap and would not have the passive safety of the XR6, so add that to the performance deficit. Of course you can always imagine it is safer as it is a SUV as most do.

[BLU-DVL]

Picked up a brandnew xtrail only last week.. $30K driveaway.. 2WD ST CVT with nudgebar, fog lamps, weathershields, mats, bonnet protector, 12months reg and full tank fuel..

sure it doesn't go like the GT in the shed, but having already lowered the rear seats twice to carry large loads.. I very! quickly began to love it for what it can do.. !

[Polyal]

While these cars are in different segments people are cross shopping more than ever, and why not, we have a huge choice and at the end of the day with families (and some without) the RRP means alot.

So for example, we will update the barina at the end of the year, on the table is anything from a new focus, B7 A4 Quatto, Gen4 (2006/07) Liberty Wagon.

Im leaning towards the focus because its new, but I was shocked when I found that even a VW Golf is within 0.5 of an inch in shoulder room (2nd row) compared to the others. Around 53 inch IIRC.

As its for the wife and kids I dont care about what wheels are powered, aslong as the pram and some shopping fit in the back and 3 car seats in the second row then thats it. Ive looked at SUV's and until the kids are older I dont think we need it, they are good value though. The Forester would be nice and $31k drive away at the moment too!

Put simply the Falcon is just not getting a look in until I get a car for myself (update the AU....~1-2years away). Just dont "need" it when you can get a brand new Focus for $19k drive away.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Yellow Festiva, the larger engines in the small SUV's are only there to cater for their extra bulk. Interior room (esp width, which is what falcon is king at) is no different in a corolla or in an x-trail.

The Santa Fe's aren't in the same league as the Xtrail. The Santa-Fe is more of a Pathfinder competitor, the Xtrail competes with the ix35 or Tucson in the Hyundai range.

I've driven both the x-trail (current and old model) and the Santa Fe, and the Santa Fe is hands down in every way superior to the small and dynamically-challenged xtrail.

I'll take your word for the interior dimensions as neither Toyota nor Nissan deem it necessary to include this info anywhere on their site.

Agree with you on the competition... Santa Fe is larger than X trail and is not in the same segment.

Haven't driven the X Trail... the point is the OP has and likes it... Driving dynamics has more to do with the driver than the car and what they have experienced in the past for comparison.

I would consider one if I was in the segment, but not to replace a Falcon. Then again, I would not be in a Falcon unless I won it as it does not remotely suit my needs in transport... it is 'overkill' as mentioned above.

[gtfpv]

i dont think the xtrail is any safer than the falcon . some things i instantly noticed were , square upright seats , and high vehicle would tend to roll if hit .
if i leased this instead of the xr6 though , id be infront today financially , and the xtrail , whilst not a falcon is very practical too .
what i'm saying is an xr6 is a great family car . but so is an xtrail , and the price for what you get , is enough to sway away a loyal ford buyer .
its easy to say hey they are different cars etc etc .
but think of this . these cars compete . i paid 34500 for the xr6 with towbar , tints , floor matts , and mudspats . as a demo . say i bought new and got that for 35000. and i bought the xtrail with these options for say 29.5 k .
theres a $5500 difference there .
its akin to if i was looking at the xtrail for 29500 , and i walk across the road and see an xr6 for brand new for $25000 , i'm going to start getting excited .
that is the same relationship .