have to do a 22 hour shift at work.

XPcoupe · 26-10-2005, 10:52 AM

I have got two 22 hour shifts coming up at work. I need to do a test DR restore that is going to take 22 hours. What suggest have you got to keep me awake, other than replying to every thread on the forum.

Keep in mind I am going to be in a room that has a surveillance camera recording all the time.

LTDHO · 26-10-2005, 10:54 AM

Red Bull is now your friend!!

Can you play online games?

Stealth00 · 26-10-2005, 10:55 AM

Drink coffee, drink coffee, drink some more coffee.

Did I mention drink coffee.

Sourbastard · 26-10-2005, 10:58 AM

22 hours? Simple. Pizza. Coffee. Collection of DVD's and a laptop.

26-10-2005, 10:59 AM

Sleeping pills the day beforehand, make sure you sleep well.

For my software D&D major for year 12 I didnt sleep for about 28 hours, as I stayed awake the day it was due.

No-doze caffeen tablets
Take light breaks every hour (should be doing this anyways)
Take 5 mins powernaps after the 20 hour mark
Take a quick jog in the cold if you have the chance
Red bull mixed with coke (has a nasty tang but goes down well)

GenesiS · 26-10-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

22 hours? Simple. Pizza. Coffee. Collection of DVD's and a laptop.

agreed!!! Pizza, red bull, coffee... maybe some games as well as dvd's other wise youll just get bored

XPcoupe · 26-10-2005, 11:04 AM

I am seeing a trend here.

I got to admit I am a bit of a codril, asprin and coke fan. But I do not want to drink to much other wise I will be running to the dunny all the time and I have to sign in and out every time i leave the server room.

I think pizza (full stomach) will make me sleepy, hungar keeps me awake.

5LMonty · 26-10-2005, 11:30 AM

Time to see your 'backyard chemist'..............

EA2BA · 26-10-2005, 11:32 AM

write some really stupid formulas in Excel then sit there till you make em work, write a plan on the detail build of your current project or a future project, use the internet to find the wildest ideas you can think of, you really cant beat coffee, those kofka (i think) coffee lollies are nice

parawolf · 26-10-2005, 11:38 AM

No one should be asked to work 22 hours straight on their own.

Ask your manager if this is how it would be in a true DR scenario? Surely you can work shift with someone? 2 x 12 hour shifts (with overlap to assist with handover) is far more practical.

You should have a break every hour, and perhaps after 10 hours you get a 30 - 45 minute break where you should sleep.

If you are having to actually function during that 22 hour period, i'd hate to see you make the mistake of doing something disasterous at either the hand of sleep deprevation or drug induced stupor.

if you are considering taking drugs to function at work, you need to speak to your union rep now.

Sagerian · 26-10-2005, 11:47 AM

You're DR solution needs work if it takes 22 hours. The people making you work 22 hours should spend more time designing a better restore process.

Plus no one person would be made to stay 22 hours to recover data, that's when mistakes happen, etc.

But stretching, coffee, etc will help.

svo347 · 26-10-2005, 11:52 AM

Regular breaks mate, go for a quick stroll etc..

XPcoupe · 26-10-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

No one should be asked to work 22 hours straight on their own.

Ask your manager if this is how it would be in a true DR scenario? Surely you can work shift with someone? 2 x 12 hour shifts (with overlap to assist with handover) is far more practical.

You should have a break every hour, and perhaps after 10 hours you get a 30 - 45 minute break where you should sleep.

If you are having to actually function during that 22 hour period, i'd hate to see you make the mistake of doing something disasterous at either the hand of sleep deprevation or drug induced stupor.

if you are considering taking drugs to function at work, you need to speak to your union rep now.

I agree with what you are saying. but it is my choice to work. over time for me is worth the work. should be able to get pay the rego for this work.

It took 14hrs 12 months ago and we have calculated that with the increase of data it will take 22 hours. back only takes 8 hours due to dual backup and auto changer at the live site. The DR only has a single drive and no auto changer. so I have to change tapes when they are required. One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

Sagerian · 26-10-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XPcoupe

One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

It's worthwhile going through the exercise then if you can get a 20 slot autoloader out of it.

parawolf · 26-10-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XPcoupe

I agree with what you are saying. but it is my choice to work. over time for me is worth the work. should be able to get pay the rego for this work.

It took 14hrs 12 months ago and we have calculated that with the increase of data it will take 22 hours. back only takes 8 hours due to dual backup and auto changer at the live site. The DR only has a single drive and no auto changer. so I have to change tapes when they are required. One of the goals here is to prove we need to upgrade the DR tape unit and network.

Fair enough - however do not go taking stimulants to keep yourself awake.

Have a risk register as part of the DR project, and have this listed as a high impact/medium possibility risk that you may make a mistake as a result of working such long hours.

XPcoupe · 26-10-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

You're DR solution needs work if it takes 22 hours. The people making you work 22 hours should spend more time designing a better restore process.

Plus no one person would be made to stay 22 hours to recover data, that's when mistakes happen, etc.

But stretching, coffee, etc will help.

Yes but convincing a company to spend 10's of thousand on a DR setup that they may not never use is very hard. they are required to have one and test it every 12 months for there share holdeers. but thats about it. As we all know it is the old equipment that is shiped to the DR site when the live site equipment is replaced.

One goal we are looking at is to break the DR into two stages critcal data to restore and non critical data to restore so it can be broken into two seprate days of recoverey.

Sagerian · 26-10-2005, 12:13 PM

If you guys can afford it, see if you can go the KVS route. Basically it'll take snapshots of your recently modified data at intervals through the day, while other data will be moved off the server onto tape. At worst you'll only lose about 3 hours data and restoration is very quick.

But certainly getting a multi-tape loader has to be done before anything else.

How many tapes will you need to load through this process?

Tote · 26-10-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XPcoupe

Yes but convincing a company to spend 10's of thousand on a DR setup that they may not never use is very hard. they are required to have one and test it every 12 months for there share holdeers. but thats about it. As we all know it is the old equipment that is shiped to the DR site when the live site equipment is replaced.

One goal we are looking at is to break the DR into two stages critcal data to restore and non critical data to restore so it can be broken into two seprate days of recoverey.

How much would it cost them if it didnt work? Minor inconvenience or the whole site down? We had someone lose 2.5 Tb of data the other week, they were VERY glad of the investment they had made in their DR site.
Be aware that working that length shift could be an unacceptable OH&S risk if your HR people get wind of it , particularly if it is planned.
Regards,
Tote

XPcoupe · 26-10-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagerian

If you guys can afford it, see if you can go the KVS route. Basically it'll take snapshots of your recently modified data at intervals through the day, while other data will be moved off the server onto tape. At worst you'll only lose about 3 hours data and restoration is very quick.

But certainly getting a multi-tape loader has to be done before anything else.

How many tapes will you need to load through this process?

I support many clients all with different solutions. I am using Double Take for one clients Exchange enviro and it has a recovery time of 30 minutes for 1.5Tb of exchange data. Tested and works. Just completed the KVS courses with symantec and but using that more for archive and compliance for the US law.

There is 10 tapes to inventory, catalogue and restore

**Charliewool** · 26-10-2005, 02:21 PM

Speed or 1/2 a dozen shakers? (visit the local truck stop)

big_waity · 26-10-2005, 02:40 PM

I'd suggest Sprite Recharge and some no-doze. Also, fresh fruit. However KaytonK is the man to ask, regularly goes 3 days without sleep. (FREAK) lol

mcflux · 26-10-2005, 03:07 PM

Laxatives.

XD-Machine · 26-10-2005, 03:30 PM

guys hate to sound noob but can somebody explain wot DR is and what you need to do for 22hrs. Could you play games inbetween or is that just a stupid comment/??

FordFan86 · 26-10-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Laxatives.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

The Monty · 26-10-2005, 03:39 PM

And I think its bad when I have to work for 15 hours.

parawolf · 26-10-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XD-Machine

guys hate to sound noob but can somebody explain wot DR is and what you need to do for 22hrs. Could you play games inbetween or is that just a stupid comment/??

DR is short for Disaster Recovery.

It usually has to get simulated as part of accounting and security practices at least once a year.

You simulate a datacenter failure (complete lights out at times) and how long does it take to get your DR equipment running and functional from backups, mirror images, etc. And then compare that to your processes and procedures make modifications where required in post DR meetings and evaluate duration of outage and if this is acceptable.

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xa bird · 26-10-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Laxatives.

A mate of mine who drove trucks used to drink 5litres water so he was bustin reckons it kept him awake.

Psycho Chicken · 26-10-2005, 04:46 PM

Get some trance music, lights and some E. I bet half those bastards don't sleep for days at a time.

If you don't want drugs, tap into the video, save the first hour, loop it back for 21 hours and hook into the porn.

Rodp · 26-10-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XPcoupe

I have got two 22 hour shifts coming up at work. I need to do a test DR restore that is going to take 22 hours. What suggest have you got to keep me awake, other than replying to every thread on the forum.

Keep in mind I am going to be in a room that has a surveillance camera recording all the time.

I suggest you do it from home and come in if something goes wrong. Surely it's restoring from library? Do you really have to sit there?! This is 2005, not 1975.

1 in 4 weekends (and this weekend coming) I start my shift at 1pm Friday afternoon and finish 5pm Monday afternoon. Thankfully it's only on call but it can get pretty hectic. I've already got 4 scheduled site visits. :(

eb_5litre · 26-10-2005, 05:29 PM

Ritalin