Push to phase out cars made pre-2002.

[Venomous1]

Not sure how I feel about this approach especially as a fan of many cars pre-2002.

Link To Article

Vehicles older than 15 years – many lacking lifesaving airbags or electronic stability control – should be phased out to reduce road deaths, according to a leading non-profit safety ratings group.

The call by the Australasian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP) came after a review of road fatalities over the past three years.
The rate of fatal crashes for vehicles 15 years and older was four times greater than for occupants in vehicles made in the past five years, crash data from 2014 to 2016 shows.

The research by ANCAP found that the average age of cars and sports utility vehicles involved in fatal crashes rose gradually from 12.5 years old in 2014 to 12.9 in 2015 and 13.1 in 2016. At the same time, the average age of Australian passenger cars stayed the same at 9.8 years old.

The worst vehicles for a fatal crash were those built from 1998 to 2002, which accounted for one in four passenger vehicle and SUV fatalities in 2016. Classic cars were not a problem, ANCAP found.

[Romulus]

Western Australia could start by introducing annual or bi-annual vehicles inspections....that would be a great way to get rid of a lot of garbage that's currently on the road.

2nd, introduce driving tests the same standards as someone who wishes to obtain a Private Pilots Licence. That would reduce the number of drivers on the road by around 90%, again, weeding out the incompetent, inept, low IQ and others who shouldn't be on the road.

It's like blaming guns for gun violence. It's not the gun that's the problem, it's the lunatic on SSRI's who can't control him/herself that's the issue.

[FairmontGS]

The obvious issue here is that what we scrap today will be the classics of tomorrow.

[sr71]

Surely there will still be allowances for restricted driving, similar to Historic Rego weekend drivers. I don't agree at all with this, as it discriminates against lower income owners and enthusiasts. The decision makers have a safety agenda that could get support here... Hmmm
Looks like there could be a Conversion Industry set up to rebody BA-FGX cab chassis, so that it would be possible to have an XA coupe registered as a 2003 Falcon (ute).
Maybe even Air Bag retro fitting as well, to keep the older cars safe.

Hang on... What about every other Ancap 1,2 or 3 star rated car since 2004. In 2003, there were only 3 cars awarded 5 stars by ANCAP , available in Auatralia. They were MB C Class, SAAB 9-3 and Renault Laguna.

[dunga]

Its chest beating by Ancap who are becoming increasingly irrelevant in this country due to all cars now are made overseas and the foreign crash ratings being adopted . Trying to save their own backsides before some government bean counter discovers what a waste of tax payers funds they are. In my opinion happy to be corrected.

[CATXR8]

I beleive ANCAP goverment money runs out this year. That is why they are making a song and dance about the age of cars and the mustang. Trying to be important.

[Trump]

ANCAP have lost all relevance and utility, it's high time they were given the sleepy needle.

Having said that though, this isn't a safety push, it's a stunt to move dealer floor stock.

[jpd80]

The average life expectancy of Aussie cars is around 15-17 years, so therefore,
the most common oldest Falcons and Commodores on the road now are 2000-2002

Given time and attrition, a lot of those older car numbers reduce rapidly at exactly the
time ANCAP is talking about. IMO, the issue is self managing, ANCAP can go back to sleep.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The average life expectancy of Aussie cars is around 15-17 years, so therefore,
the most common oldest Falcons and Commodores on the road now are 2000-2002

Given time and attrition, a lot of those older car numbers reduce rapidly at exactly the
time ANCAP is talking about. IMO, the issue is self managing, ANCAP can go back to sleep.

I don't think it's the falcodore as the 1998+ models have airbags..
maybe the imports are the problem.

[Raptor]

Maybe focus on airbags that don't decapitate you when they go off.

Which is what this article was partnered with in the Sun Herald today

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[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by burnz

I don't think it's the falcodore as the 1998+ models have airbags..
maybe the imports are the problem.

Very good point there - many cheaper imports, and even not so cheap (2nd hand ones) in that age group don't have airbags, and commercial vehicles - such as Hilux & Rodeo are even worse - 20+ year old examples are still popular, and represented in significant numbers on the road.

You have to admit, when it comes to safety, the Aussie car industry was up there against the world by the mid to late 90s - with driver airbag standard from about '97 onwards, and most having a passenger airbag, except the very basic models (like base utes etc). Pretensioners (active) are another thing that reduce injuries, and therefore reduce the risk of road deaths, and I think it was VT/AU that brought them into the Aussie market too. Some commercials still don't have them.

I survived a head-on at 70km/h (my speed) with multiple broken bones & fractures. I'm so glad it was a BA Falcon that I had at the time, and not one of my Brocks, or a car without active safety. The pretensioner may have contributed to a fracture in my pelvis & sternum, but I never hit the airbag that came out of the steering wheel, because the pretensioner held me back.

My knees went through the fusebox, and I pushed the column down into the dash far enough to hold the washers & high-beams on (breaking my RH thumb in the process). The only thing the airbag did was minor abrasion burns on my arms, and the smoke/dust made it hard to breathe.

But I was able to unplug my seatbelt, and walk away from it. The ambos said they'd seen people die in lesser accidents in small cars, and confirmed my suspicion that the pretensioners played a big role in keeping me safe.

The passive safety built into the design also performed flawlessy - from capturing the bonnet at the hinges, to the trans crossmember breaking away to let the engine & trans "submarine" under, to the fuel cutoff killing the engine, the BEM unlocking the doors (which weren't locked, but it still sent the pulse), and even the breakaway brake pedal to reduce leg injuries. How much of that is in a similar year model small car?

I'd rather see a young driver in a 2002 BA Falcon, than a similar age small car. And the AU Falcon, which is targeted in the age bracket, is very similar in it's crash performance as well. In fact I'd argue the dash being a bit further away in an AU could reduce knee injuries too.

[chizzy86]

Will never happen. As soon as such a proposal hits the PM's desk they'd all wince and think too much political capital would be used up on such a low order issue.

[LTDHO]

I have 5 cars, ranging from build dates 1973 to 1996. ANCAP want me to rid the earth of these death traps and buy something built in this century. They can go and get ****!!

There is way to much emphasis put on 'car safety' and absolutely none put on driver safety (as in education).

[danzvtil]

You don’t need a scheme to get rid of old cars, natural attrition does that of its own accord.
What does need to happen is to encourage drivers of older cars to upgrade to newer second hand ones, which happens naturally as older ones become uneconomical to keep running.

[mike_nofx]

Are pretensioners standard equipment on cars these days?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Are pretensioners standard equipment on cars these days?

I doubt you could find one without them.

[Craig@AUDI]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

There is way to much emphasis put on 'car safety' and absolutely none put on driver safety (as in education).

Easier to police a manufacturer than the buying public

[bangm001]

Ill happily "historic rego" the typhoons!

[290GTP]

Will certainly take care of the AU Falcon problem.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I have 5 cars, ranging from build dates 1973 to 1996. ANCAP want me to rid the earth of these death traps and buy something built in this century. They can go and get ****!!

There is way to much emphasis put on 'car safety' and absolutely none put on driver safety (as in education).

Got it in one. Typical knee jerk reaction, put the horse before the cart. Which beaurocrat came up with this rubbish? Great way to wipe out a huge industry in one day, just to appear like we give a damn about our environment. There is much better ways to reduce our footprint if this is the thinking.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by 290GTP

Will certainly take care of the AU Falcon problem.

Not series 3's

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by 290GTP

Will certainly take care of the AU Falcon problem.

Getting rid of AU's adds to the problem .

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Getting rid of AU's adds to the problem .

Au's are so reliable even an outright ban will have no effect

[au350hp]

I'm keeping my AU for good. Regardless what happens to it's value, it is a low k 220kw sedan in exc cond. It's a very enjoyable reliable car. I'd be mad to give that up, and replace it with what? Some made in china rubbish that looks like an angry insect?

[DFB FGXR6]

Ahhhhh ANCAP!

A now pointless organisation that has now resorted to creating stunts like this to divert attention away from the fact that they have no idea what they are doing and struggle for both relevance and credibility.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ahhhhh ANCAP!

A now pointless organisation that has now resorted to creating stunts like this to divert attention away from the fact that they have no idea what they are doing and struggle for both relevance and credibility.

Who funds ANCAP?

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Au's are so reliable even an outright ban will have no effect

Exactly my point ..I cannot even contemplate getting rid of my 2001 Futura . Just imagine no AU's on the road if some crowd imposed a ban on cars 15 years plus old . It'd be unthinkable .

My AU is serviced twice yearly despite whatever kays she's done but it averages about 5,000 kms each time . Ever since I bought it in 2003 this has been the case and I'm lucky that one garage has done virtually everything which as it turns out , outside the consumables like tyres , brake pads , mufflers, batteries , oil and fluids etc is bugger all .

One alternator , one inlet manifold gasket , a couple of power window switches and one windscreen and I replaced the original radio/cd with an after market one .

Once she's off the hoist they also double check by test driving and give me a report card of what they found

During each service they check everything and use the scan tool also . Pretty thorough and she's never let me down other than a fully discharged battery issue one time that upset the functionality one day but that was my idiotic fault .

Pragmatically and realistically it's only a car but just as pragmatically and realistic is I KNOW it's a bloody safe and bloody reliable car despite not loaded up with a bunch of electronic aids that seem to be so important to crowds like ANCAP these days .

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Who funds ANCAP?

http://www.ancap.com.au/media-and-ga...ehicles-406eb5
https://www.caradvice.com.au/441701/...ext-two-years/
https://www.aaa.asn.au/news-and-publ...-for-motorists

[Ben73]

Don't agree with it. Should be able to own any car you want as long as it's maintained and doesn't pose a threat to other road users

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

http://www.ancap.com.au/media-and-ga...ehicles-406eb5
https://www.caradvice.com.au/441701/...ext-two-years/
https://www.aaa.asn.au/news-and-publ...-for-motorists

Thank you. So it's funding to unaccountable, unelected government bureaucrats wasting tax payers money.

This country doesn't have a revenue problem, it has an expenditure problem. This agency is just one example.