$165,000 for new LS9 HSV

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

In the states a lsa crate motor is 21k, ls9 is 25k.

Ls9 according to this is US $25, 509.

The LSA$14,006.

From the link above, the LS9 appears to be dry sumped?

I guess we'll find out when HSV release it.

[STINKY NINJA]

"Should be" the first stock factory aussie made car to run 11s!
Awesome stuff.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Ls9 according to this is US $25, 509.

The LSA$14,006.

From the link above, the LS9 appears to be dry sumped?

I guess we'll find out when HSV release it.

Mine was from same site, my mistake, I was looking at the connect and cruise package.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance...ruise-lsa.html

[Professor Farnsworth]

Insanity. I love it.

[FG50T]

Correct LS9 is dry sump and also gets forged rods, silchromel valves, exhaust manifolds are stainless steel, nodular iron main bearing caps and forged pistons. The LSA blower is a 1.9L (factory 10.5 psi) and the LS9 is a 2.3L (factory 9psi). Insane power numbers follow with pulley upgrades and blower cams.

[b0son]

But a reputation for blowing up? Are the problem units going for the same reason?

[Pis-ton broke]

and its a GTS. Guaranteed To Start, thats good.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by FG50T

Correct LS9 is dry sump and also gets forged rods, silchromel valves, exhaust manifolds are stainless steel, nodular iron main bearing caps and forged pistons. The LSA blower is a 1.9L (factory 10.5 psi) and the LS9 is a 2.3L (factory 9psi). Insane power numbers follow with pulley upgrades and blower cams.

LS9 actually has Titanium rods and hypereutectic aluminium alloy Pistons.

LSA has the cheaper and heavier forged kind.

This would be the major reason for the cost difference if imagine.


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[mcnews]

Rods would be more for sure, pistons wouldn't be much cost difference though.

[Eaturbo]

At the end of the day HSV has always been profitable which is why they can build cars like these. If you keep making money than you can build whatever you like. Ford have never had the same volumes or even close to HSV's so they have never had much money to invest. HSV have never had to invest any money with there engines as they have all been direct import and already developed. I admire HSV for always bringing out cars that are better than the last. They never sit on there hands and just keep flogging the same car. Right back from the VR days when they stroked the 304 to 355 and added a six speed manual. Than the upgrade to the LS1 and GTS 300. They have had some mighty cars and they always seam to sell them. This car is a dead set weapon with rumors of carbon fibre brakes. Whatever it ends up with it's going to be a balls out effort to have whatever is the best that is available to them and they deserve the same credit that the guys at FPV and Ford do with the GTF and sprint.

[Sioso]

http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial...amed-w1-103890

HSV's swansong MY17 Commodore-based range to be topped by revised GTS, new GTS-R and ballistic limited-edition 476kW LS9 V8-powered GTS-R W1 flagship

The last and perhaps greatest HSV of them all will be named GTS-R W1.

That’s the word from motoring.com.au sources as the hot Holden tuner works towards a second-quarter 2017 launch for the W1, which will be powered by the awesome LS9 supercharged 6.2-litre V8 from the previous generation Corvette ZR1 supercar.

But that’s not all, as HSV is understood to have signed off a double-barrelled naming and model strategy with an LSA-engined GTS-R to join HSV's final homegrown Commodore-based MY17 range at the same time as the W1, by the middle of next year.

As well, technical development will spread beyond the engine bay with motoring.com.au learning that Aussie Supashock dampers will replace Magnetic Ride Control in the W1.

While W1 production will be limited to around 250 examples, the standard GTS-R will be generally available – at least while the Elizabeth plant keeps running – and will sit above the existing $95,990 430kW/730Nm GTS (pictured) in terms of both price and outputs from its 6.2-litre supercharged V8.

The flagship farewell model picks up the W1 designation because the LS9 engine will be installed at the Walkinshaw-owned company’s Clayton facility rather than Holden’s Elizabeth plant, as is the case with LSA and – soon to be discontinued – LS3 models.

It’s a similar naming convention to the limited-edition W427 of 2008, which was powered by a 7.0-litre (427 cubic-inch) LS7 V8 also installed at Clayton.

It appears certain that the W1 will be the most expensive HSV ever, with pricing at or north of $170,000, usurping the $150,000 ask for the W427.

And it will also be the most powerful HSV ever, with power and torque figures very close to the 476kW/820Nm outputs of the Corvette.

It could be lower or, mind-bogglingly, it could be higher depending on where local noise and emissions homologation work ends up.

Whatever those outputs, they should deliver a 0-100km/h sprint time of four seconds or less, and 0-400m times close to 12.0 sec, making the W1 the fastest production car ever built in Australia.

To achieve it you’re going to have be adept with three pedals as the W1 will be Tremec TR-6060 six-speed manual only, although HSV is understood to have pushed a fair way down the path of automatic transmission development before raising the white flag for cost and durability reasons.

Excitingly, HSV’s W1 development work is understood to have spread far beyond the driveline.

Motoring.com.au has learned HSV has ditched the MRC magnetorheological dampers for the GTS-R W1, instead opting to go with the Australian-developed Supashock damper.

Designed and manufactured in Adelaide, Supashock and its owner Oscar Fiorinotto has forged a relationship with HSV via its sister organisation, the Holden Racing Team, which uses them in its Commodore VF Supercars.

Fiorinotto is understood to be developing a new-specification billet damper specifically for the W1, featuring advanced damper technology.

This is the second Aussie performance project Fiorinotto has been associated with in recent times, as he is also supplying dampers to the new Tickford range of hot Fords being developed by Prodrive.

Only the W1 is expected to get the Supashock dampers, which will be adaptive but -- unlike the MRC suspension in the current GTS – non-adjustable.

However, both GTS-R models are in line to upgrade to an even more powerful AP braking specification than the current top-spec six-piston 390mm front disc combination offered by HSV. But don’t expect carbon-ceramic stoppers.

Wheel size isn’t expected to climb from the top current HSVs' staggered 20-inch set-up front and rear, nor will we see carbon wheels.

The GTS-R name was first used on a limited-edition model based on the VS Holden Commodore in 1996. Powered by a bored and stroked 230kW 5.7-litre version of the venerable Holden V8, it stood out with its bright yellow exterior paint and large rear wing with carbon-fibre inserts.

Whether the reborn GTS-R and W1 will follow this extravagant styling path is as yet unknown, although there is no doubt they will feature unique flourishes developed by HSV design chef Julian Quincy.

The process of building the W1 will be complex. Complete GTS models will be shipped from Elizabeth and then upgraded at Clayton with the LS9 engine and other unique items such as Supashock dampers.

The LSA engines will be sold off to recoup some of the cost, which is said to be substantial for the LS9 at around $30,000 per unit.

[Wretched]

The W1 with the LS9...interesting...beasty..

[b0son]

Will be interesting to see if they're snapped as quick as the Sprints were. Being the absolute final GTS's, I suspect the GTSR and W1 will be bought as investments by a lot of punters.

[Rob 351]

You have to agree and yes I have some serious blue blood in my veins but that is one hell of a car. Certainly sending the Aussie Commodore out in style!

[Junkyard-Dog]

Some who have posted should check their sodium intake... there is a lot of saltiness in this thread.

Holden are going out with a bigger bang than Ford and it's easy to feel miffed about that but personally I'm just glad that they're building another balls-to-the-wall Aussie muscle car. This thing is going to be awesome.

[sr71]

My guess is they've all been sold.

What about a final Ute. Or is the LSA Maloo it?
And if Walkinshaw continue business, there could be an option of LS9 transplants into any VF, in the near future.

If there are any left, and you are undecided. And your kids are grown up. I reckon buy one, with their (future)inheritance. Reverse Mortgage for sure!

[CyberWasp]

Translation.
HSV are releasing the GTS-RU-Kidding.
It will be a limited edition, in that HSV will over quote the actual engine power by more kw's, than any other HSV before it.

[40RDT]

W1 with the LS9 sounds like aussie muscle car porn..

[nstg8a]

My boss has had a deposit down for ages for one, he's seventh in line at his preferred dealership....

They're not gonna have any trouble selling them haha.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Translation.
HSV are releasing the GTS-RU-Kidding.
It will be a limited edition, in that HSV will over quote the actual engine power by more kw's, than any other HSV before it.

Why would they need to? They'll just use as is from GM.
Not much to lie about there.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by JDSOTI

I agree, I don't believe that dropping in an American based motor makes the commodore any more the last most powerful "Australian" model, it's a shame they could not have developed such a unit locally like the Barra 6, they may as well have dropped in a Lamborghini V12, IMO it losses its heritage..

BS, when they are both Yank multinationals in the end anyway.
Didn't the decision to end ford and holden aus production come from Detroit?
Arent the Ford archives going to Detroit?

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

Imagine 165k...

New mustang and a few mods Sure beats a commodore!

Mustang is already overpriced, plus American quality... hmmmmm.

[Giant Cranium]

How is the mustang overpriced and compare it to an equivalent one in the states

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

You have to agree and yes I have some serious blue blood in my veins but that is one hell of a car. Certainly sending the Aussie Commodore out in style!

G'day .You need to amend that statement slightly . Instead of "Sending the Aussie Commodore out in style " it should be
"Sending the last proper Aussie Commodore out in style"..
Sadly , last time I read and apologies if they've changed their mind but GMH plan on continuing the Commodore badge on some imported crap. Ford may be going out with less bang but it at least is retiring the Falcon marque with respect..
Cheers Rod..

[steve.zissou]

i think if the ls9 one comes out at 200k drive away and you can get a stock gtsr for 115k there will be a few people that will take the cheaper option and clear out the waiting lists.

[Walfers]

Our dealership has already well and truly filled our orders..

So many people saying that they're to expensive and no one will buy them

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Walfers

So many people saying that they're to expensive and no one will buy them

They said this of the GTS, and still it walks out the door.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by b0son

They said this of the GTS, and still it walks out the door.

A fool and his money are easily parted just kidding...................or am i

[Whitey-AMG]

Does anyone need a kidney a lung and a child.....
I have the last of a real Aussie muscle car I need to buy.
This thing is going to rock.

[barnz_xr8]

Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

LS9 actually has Titanium rods and hypereutectic aluminium alloy Pistons.

LSA has the cheaper and heavier forged kind.

This would be the major reason for the cost difference if imagine.


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lol sorry mate but hypereutectic is just a fancy name for cast pistons with more silicon content.