Cutting through service station!!!

[GORDZ]

Originally Posted by Creampuff

Wow!! i am amazed to you who admit it! I didn't know there were so many knobs out there.

Personal attacks here are going to get you banned mate. Bring up a topic of discussion if you want but don't call me a knob, thats not what I come to AFF for.

[DJL351]

Hoons! The lot of them, must be on drugs too; I mean have you seen the price of fuel! (no wait, their not stopping to buy)

Their cars should be taken away, I call for an increase in the number of fuel style multi-nova cameras to catch them.

D

[Auslandau]

There is a difference between cutting through a petrol station and speeding through with a total blasé nature on where they are!

To cut though the 7 Eleven on Scorsby Rd Bayswater where there are lights and a railway crossing is no probs and have as much chance of collecting someone whether I was stopping there or not! Sometimes I stop to grab something, sometimes just drive through!

Cheers ...... Big Knob.



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[ZA-289]

Originally Posted by Creampuff

Wow!! i am amazed to you who admit it! I didn't know there were so many knobs out there.

Take it easy mate, Hell yeah I do it, not any faster than i'd normally pull into a servo tho.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by GORDZ

Personal attacks here are going to get you banned mate. Bring up a topic of discussion if you want but don't call me a knob, thats not what I come to AFF for.

Im hoping you didnt come for the intelligent conversation and ambience.

[RegSpec]

Originally Posted by GORDZ

wow how tall are you?

Well...considering that Im 6' 2" and he was driving a ricer that looked like it had no springs in it......then, yeah, he did brush the top of my leg......
A fraction further over and he would have crushed me between the two cars and things would have gotten real ugly..... :

[GORDZ]

is that not something you could file a complaint with the police? surely servo cams have camera's good enough to read rego's yeah? Saves you chasing after him

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Creampuff

How many idiots cut through service stations instead of waiting at the lights?
Just seen it happen a lot lately, the fine is equivalent to a red light! I wish this was policed more to catch the fools.

to Quote Abraham Lincoln " it is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt" you don't know what you are talking about it is not an offence but bnecause it annoys you it should be ? WTF . there is one servo I do it at as the lights have a real short cycle but i don't speed through and don't drive anywhere near the bowsers . ok some might be irresponsible and speed / drive dangerously but an inteligent person whold make a comment about these practices not the legal taking of a short cut .

Originally Posted by Creampuff

Wow!! i am amazed to you who admit it! I didn't know there were so many knobs out there.

build a bridge and stop calling members who dissagree with you knobs the mods generally take a dim view of that and you might find your self getting a holiday if you keep it up

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by EL XR6

Oh oh pick me! I must be a knob because I do it at two particular servos here, one of them has a decent sized area to cut through, no where near bowsers, and the second one I cut through because If you are first at the red light it takes over 3 minutes to change... And with how low my car is I have to drive slowly through them to avoid scrapping on entry/exit.

I'm on my P-Plates to, and drive a modified car, does that make me a bigger knob?

Bah

you were a knob even before you replied to this thread

[Auslandau]

Time to, chill and have a drink to settle the nerves




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[goof]

As a manager of a servo, all i have to say to people that do it is that your a f....wit. I've been nearly hit many times, and so have my customers. Most people that do it are soccer mums in there suv's that hoon through, even over the speed bump we put in to slow them down. Most servo's are 10kph zones, and i've seen people get booked for shortcutting through instead of waiting at lights. I'm not sure what the actual fine is as after they get booked, they dont wanna talk to me lol.....and its also amazing at how many people cant read a no entry sign

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by goof

As a manager of a servo, all i have to say to people that do it is that your a f....wit. I've been nearly hit many times, and so have my customers. Most people that do it are soccer mums in there suv's that hoon through, even over the speed bump we put in to slow them down. Most servo's are 10kph zones, and i've seen people get booked for shortcutting through instead of waiting at lights. I'm not sure what the actual fine is as after they get booked, they dont wanna talk to me lol.....and its also amazing at how many people cant read a no entry sign

you just aswered your own question they obviously got booked for ignoring the no entry sign not taking a short cut

[MITCHAY]

I have done it but don't make a habit of it. In the real world, if you drive like an idiot at the servo the odds are higher that someone will get hurt regardless if they are cutting through or just filling up with petrol.

[CAMS290]

Some of you tools that cut through servo's probably show your lack of commonsense by going around railway boom gates if they are down for a longer than usual period of time !

The only time i thought that normal considerate road users would actually enter a service station would be to purchase fuel or something from the shop ?

My suggestion for you that partake in this dangerous behaviour would be to leave home 3 minutes earlier, have some regard for the customers that are actually using the facilities there, and hope that i am not in my truck coming towards you as you are traveling through

[stang01]

get over it. i do it to all the time, not speeding through like a fool though

[azaxr8]

im guilty as charge. but only at midnight or later, due to some lights taking literally FOREVER!!! and i have to slow down or ill scrap my car to

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

you just aswered your own question they obviously got booked for ignoring the no entry sign not taking a short cut

The no entry signs are placed by the petrol stations, not by the traffic authorities, therefore they are not enforcable by police, so the people booked, are indeed being booked for avoiding the red light.

I'll ask the recently retired Senior Sgt. I work with, and a couple of curently serving NSW police today and get them to give me the exact infringement and relevent legal clause (for NSW obviously).

[gtxb67]

personally, i think there are a lot worse things to do on the road than cut through a servo. i rarely do it (it can take just as long, to get through the potential maze of cars, speed humps, driving at a safe speed, waiting for the traffic that has the green light etc.).
i think there are 2 types who do this. those that drive through safely and have total regard for others and their property and the idiots that fly through, dangerously. they should be fined, not necessarily for driving through a servo, but for their dangerous behaviour
it is not dangerous to drive through a servo, otherwise we would have to queue up one by one and wait for the pumps to be clear before approaching to fill our car. it is how we go about it that determines the danger involved

[FGII-XR6]

eveyone thinks it's on private property so signs don't apply ! well thers has been a phrase in use for sometime now in traffic law " road related area" and applies to carparks servos etc that are accessable and in general use by the general public and you can be booked for offences in road related areas

Originally Posted by Feathers

The no entry signs are placed by the petrol stations, not by the traffic authorities, therefore they are not enforcable by police, so the people booked, are indeed being booked for avoiding the red light.

I'll ask the recently retired Senior Sgt. I work with, and a couple of curently serving NSW police today and get them to give me the exact infringement and relevent legal clause (for NSW obviously).

[TC200six]

At Mt Gravatt in Brisbane, there's a Shell service station on the corner of Broad water Rd and Logan Rd. I've seen some idiots on Broad Water Rd who want to turn left at the lights onto Logan Rd, so what do they do? ...They cut through the servo those cheeky little buggers.

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

eveyone thinks it's on private property so signs don't apply ! well thers has been a phrase in use for sometime now in traffic law " road related area" and applies to carparks servos etc that are accessable and in general use by the general public and you can be booked for offences in road related areas

Speed regulation signs in carparks and the like, yes.

I could put up signs saying 'entry' and 'exit' on the front and side gates of my driveway, but I can't have the police fine you for not obeying it.

Servos are private property beyond the footpath.

So according to John (who is standing behind me at the moment), it is technically illegal, just depends if police see you do it and can be bothered with the paperwork to fine you for it.
They can charge you with a number of offences, depending on the circumstances.
1. Negligent Driving
2. Not turn left in prescribed manner
3. Drive in manner dangerous
4. Trespass (he says this would be more applicable if the servo was closed)

There is no actual fine worded for cutting through a servo, but the ones listed above will cover it.

[Full Noise]

I’ve been watching this thread for a while and have found many of the attitudes here quite surprising, so I thought I’d say my bit. Over the last eighteen years I’ve spent quite a lot of time in service stations, probably more time than many here who have replied to this thread. I’ve also spent nine years driving petrol and gas tankers, so I feel that when it comes to subjects like this, I can safely give my point of view without someone saying that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

For the people here who think that it’s OK to do this, I have a few questions.

Do you think that you are more important than anyone else?
Do you think that your time is more valuable than someone’s life?
Do you think that a service station is a safe place?
Have you ever had to assist someone who has been struck by a car in a service station?

I can understand that some people do this in places where there is little traffic and some service stations may even be closed, however, this does not make it safe. In 2002 I had a vehicle hit the side of my tanker while I was reversing in a closed service station because he was to impatient to wait at the lights. Just because the service station may be closed doesn’t mean that there isn’t people working there. In 1999 I had to assist an elderly man who was struck by a vehicle in a very busy service station in Prahran by some BMW driving clown who was far to important to wait at the lights. This elderly man had a broken pelvis and was very distressed. I did my best to comfort him until the ambulance arrived even though I wanted to inflict severe pain on the BMW driver, it was best left for the police to deal with.

I even had a vehicle clip me (my body, not the truck) with its mirror while I was doing the dips in a servo because her time was far more important than my safety. Over the years I’ve seen so many close calls in servos because people are either stupid, arrogant or just plain impatient.

Many people have asked me over the years about the dangers of carting 55,000 litres of petrol around in a tanker. I tell them that it isn’t any different to driving any other truck, however, the most dangerous part of my job is unloading in service stations. For some strange reason, some people lose all sense of perspective when they are at a service station. People who would otherwise be quite intelligent seem to turn into complete dimwits as soon as their vehicle crosses that footpath. You only have to look at the way some people behave when they are queuing up on a Tuesday with their shopper docket trying to save $2.20.

The last thing I’ll mention here was when I was unloading at the Caltex service station on the corner of Chifley Drive and Bell Street in Preston in 2000.
I was unloading LPG and the most common way of delivering gas is through a hose reel. Some really large servos have a bulk discharge system, but they are few and far between.

When you are pumping LPG at this particular site, the hose fitting goes into the ground (remote fill for a 7.5 KL bullet) and is screwed into a one way valve. There is also a manual valve below this. Once that manual valve is open, that’s it.

It was a Saturday night and I was standing beside the truck with my gas warning signs out when I heard some cars approaching. Two vehicles drove into the site at a fairly high speed because the lights were red and got the shock of their life when they saw the tanker there. These two baseball cap wearing clowns nearly ran me over and narrowly missed taking out the hose reel and one way valve going into the ground. Had this have happened the consequences would have been catastrophic.

I would have probably ended up dead trying to shut the manual valve on the servo’s tank because the LPG is coming out as a liquid and very bloody quick, also very cold. The line from the truck would also have taken some time to shut off because you can only do one at a time. Because the LPG would have come out of the pipe and reel as a liquid, it would have instantly turned into vapour. For every liquid litre of LPG, this turns into 273 cubic litres of gas. That’s not the worst bit. The gas is to rich to burn and mixes with oxygen and turns into what is known as explosive atmosphere.

For those who don’t understand this, that’s when the big bang happens.

The explosive atmosphere wouldn’t have to go far to find an ignition point, because Automix is heavier than air, it would find the hottest thing around, probably the car’s exhaust and when it does, she’s all over red rover.

To think that two or three inches difference in the car’s position would have caused this absolutely terrifies me.

All because they didn’t want to wait at a red light, at least they’d be dead too.

Originally Posted by Feathers

Servos are private property beyond the footpath.

Doesn’t matter. Still a road related area.

My 2.2 cents GST included.

Sorry about the long post.

[SiKoRa_eL_97]

Everyday.... Police Road and Jacksons road Shell in Noble park north lol

[Feathers]

I was replying to the post that said the police would fine people for entering an exit and vice versa.

They can't.

They can fine someone exiting a servo (or any driveway) if it causes an accident, or near miss if someone gets hurt, with "Not give way exiting land/road related area", but that has nothing to do with the entry/eixt signs in the driveway.

But let's not get further off topic...

I agree with you Full Noise.
Too many people only think about themselves and not those around them on the roads.

I just think that wherever I'm heading will still be there when I arrive, and I'd prefer to arrive in one piece and alive.
So I don't feel the need to change lanes and weave in and out of traffic when I see a lane moving faster than the one I'm in. (This irritates my father no end)
I don't get anxious about the whole 2 minutes I might have to wait at a red light to turn the corner.
I don't absolutely have to cut in front of the bus or truck in the next lane, or not let them into my lane because they're moving too slowly and can't accelerate like cars can, and don't want to be "stuck" behind them.
I also know they can't stop like cars either.

There's nowhere thats worth killing yourself (or anyone else) to get to, all for the sake of a few minutes.

I'm not trying make myself look like an angel, everyone makes mistakes, but impatience is not a mistake.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Do you think that you are more important than anyone else?
Do you think that your time is more valuable than someone’s life?

This is what is breeding this road rage culture in our country. Traffic isn't that bad in oz (compared to places liek china and india) but people think that their time is worth more then others.
No patience and respect for other people in the country anymore.

[plext]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

<....much wisdom....>

Sorry about the long post.

No need to be sorry when you are making solid sense.

I would hope (forlornly no doubt), that some people expressing thoughtless attitudes may take heed of the experience on offer there.

[Falcon Coupe]

Great post Danny, thanks for giving us a professional point of view.

[awsome4.0]

i do it :the_finge
so im a knob

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by plext

No need to be sorry when you are making solid sense.

I would hope (forlornly no doubt), that some people expressing thoughtless attitudes may take heed of the experience on offer there.

Originally Posted by awsome4.0

i do it :the_finge
so im a knob

Forlornly, indeed. :

[FGII-XR6]

wrong your driveway is a private residence the servo is an area open to the general public and under NSW law is classed as a road related area the same as shopping centre car parks you can be booked for not obeying properly erected signs in these areas just like you were on the road

also in NSW you can only be booked for Negligent Driving if you have been involved in a collision

Originally Posted by Feathers

Speed regulation signs in carparks and the like, yes.

I could put up signs saying 'entry' and 'exit' on the front and side gates of my driveway, but I can't have the police fine you for not obeying it.

Servos are private property beyond the footpath.

So according to John (who is standing behind me at the moment), it is technically illegal, just depends if police see you do it and can be bothered with the paperwork to fine you for it.
They can charge you with a number of offences, depending on the circumstances.
1. Negligent Driving
2. Not turn left in prescribed manner
3. Drive in manner dangerous
4. Trespass (he says this would be more applicable if the servo was closed)

There is no actual fine worded for cutting through a servo, but the ones listed above will cover it.