A Jeep Wrangler Recall

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JEEP IS recalling thousands of its prized Wrangler model that were sold in Australia.
The mass recall comes after revelations the vehicle has significant defects which could endanger the lives of passengers and the driver.
The model being recalled is the 2016-2017 JK Wrangler.
What are the defects?
The front impact sensor wire(s) on these specified models may become detached during a crash event before the "impact signal" is recorded by the Occupant Restraint Controller (ORC). Vehicles may experience no airbag and or pretensioner deployment in certain crash events where airbag or pretensioner deployment is expected.
What are the hazards?
Failure to deploy the airbags or pretensioners when required during a crash event could increase the risk of injury or death to front seat occupants.
What should consumers do?
FCA Australia will notify vehicle owners who can take their vehicle to a Jeep dealership where the vehicle will be repaired free of charge.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/reca...-jeep-wrangler

[Pedro]

Jeep holds the position of most recalled vehicle sold in Australia.
The Yanks have a dedicated website ... http://www.jeepproblems.com/

[Kieron]

Which model Jeep holds the Aussie record Pedro?
For the Ford version of that site, visit -
http://www.fordproblems.com

[XR8235]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Which model Jeep holds the Aussie record Pedro?
For the Ford version of that site, visit -
http://www.fordproblems.com

Would have to say at a quick glance on Product Safety Australia web site it would have started in 1994 for jeep Cherokee (steering boxes cracking the chassis- almost a 7hr in time to do the job) anyway Holden have had more recalls than Ford
Cheers

[Bossxr8]

Jeep recall just about every week. And people still buy these things.

But then again sales are dropping fast so maybe people have got the message.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Jeep recall just about every week. And people still buy these things.

But then again sales are dropping fast so maybe people have got the message.

What's better, a company which admits faults and recalls to carry out repairs?
Or one which admits no fault?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What's better, a company which admits faults and recalls to carry out repairs?
Or one which admits no fault?

Or one that designs and engineers its products to the point that the consumer isn't used as in-field development.

Yes, unforseen issues arrive with all vehicles but the reality is FCA are run on a shoe string budget and are relying on legacy platforms and technology gifted to them from previous business partnerships.

To say "at least they admit fault and recall" is a cop out and points to poor development protocols and substandard build quality.

[Kieron]

If we are talking about brand recalls, here's the 2016 list by brand-
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/reca...-all-recalls?f[0]=accc_solr_date%3A2016&f[1]=field_accc_psa_product_category%3A4894

Jeep falls under Chryslers 25 and I counted 13 for Jeep. Two of these related to the 'Park' issue on the GC, listed twice due to different years.

Big winner was Mercedes at 19...

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Which model Jeep holds the Aussie record Pedro?
For the Ford version of that site, visit -
http://www.fordproblems.com

My ... we are touchy ... unfortunate enough to own a Jeep are we?
I'm not going to get in a slanging match with you but ...

Quote: "The Jeep Grand Cherokee has been the most recalled model since 2011, thanks mostly to a shocking 2014 when various generations of the big SUV were recalled 11 times mainly for electrical issues". unquote.

Read more at http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/1...EDIqk25ySDD.99

[AussieCJ7]

US also has very different approach to recall they will issue one for what most other countries would issue a service notice need to understand the severity before making too many conculsions


BTW not saying they havent had some shockers prob just not the volume of bad as others, after all getting Toyota/Lexus to admit to their accelerator problem was a major event

Grand Cherokee gear box was interesting, it was a silly shifter design but the problem was user error but they recalled it twice to overcome user error issues

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Pedro

My ... we are touchy ... unfortunate enough to own a Jeep are we?
I'm not going to get in a slanging match with you but ...

Quote: "The Jeep Grand Cherokee has been the most recalled model since 2011, thanks mostly to a shocking 2014 when various generations of the big SUV were recalled 11 times mainly for electrical issues". unquote.

Read more at http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/1...EDIqk25ySDD.99

Ffs, ask a genuine question and you get a reply like this! You posted and I questioned it, if you don't like entering discussion, don't post pal!!

Your second sentence regarding the US dedicate site is what I'd expect of certain journos out to sensationalise an issue when in fact, it's the same site for every brand.

Yes, I do own 2015 diesel GC and it's had 1 recall which was the 'Park' lockout, damn Nice vehicle BUT I'm no fanboy of the brand (same applies to Ford) and Jeep can shove this vehicle up its **** due to the transmission issues it has, which btw is a German built ZF 8'speeder.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What's better, a company which admits faults and recalls to carry out repairs?
Or one which admits no fault?

There is admits faults and then there is just builds rubbish.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by vztrt

There is admits faults and then there is just builds rubbish.

Thats debatable. I own a JK Wrangler and certainly don't consider the build to be rubbish.

Ford has its fair share of recalls for safety issues, and its also had its fair share of blame dodging certain issues it refuses to recall.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What's better, a company which admits faults and recalls to carry out repairs?
Or one which admits no fault?

The one whose engineering is so poor that they are designed from the start full of faults that constantly need recalls on.

Every brand has recalls, just not in Jeep plague levels.

[Sabantien]

Would be nice if Ford did more. Zf milkshake?
The whole myriad of problems that are brushed off with a, "they all do that"?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

Would be nice if Ford did more. Zf milkshake?
The whole myriad of problems that are brushed off with a, "they all do that"?

Well it won't ever be an issue again now that it's shut up shop down here. At least global models we get now have much bigger budgets to fix little issues that pop up. Something FoA didn't have the budget for.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Yes, I do own 2015 diesel GC and it's had 1 recall which was the 'Park' lockout, damn Nice vehicle BUT I'm no fanboy of the brand (same applies to Ford) and Jeep can shove this vehicle up its **** due to the transmission issues it has, which btw is a German built ZF 8'speeder.

What are the issues with the 8 speed? I thought that was one of the really good things with the Jeep?

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

What are the issues with the 8 speed? I thought that was one of the really good things with the Jeep?

It is a great bit of kit, however there have been issues with the first gear change on cold starts and also the downshift between 5-4 can sometimes jerk into gear.

I've not had either problem, but some owners had noted it on Jeep forums previously.

Add in the stupid recall to stop Darwinism occurring because some people didn't check to ensure the car was in Park before getting out and running themselves over, and I believe that's it.

My last 2 Jeep GC's have been great vehicles! Completely reliable, a hell of a lot of fun to drive and I wouldn't hesitate to get another (bring on the Hellcat GC!).

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Well it won't ever be an issue again now that it's shut up shop down here. At least global models we get now have much bigger budgets to fix little issues that pop up. Something FoA didn't have the budget for.

Hmm not quite true. They provision for it based on x% of warranty claims.

Problem is the didnt sell enough.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

What are the issues with the 8 speed? I thought that was one of the really good things with the Jeep?

It depends on how/when you drive it and what your prepared to accept but the issue exists and FCA USA are really dragging their feet on fixing it, some in the US have invoked the lemon law.

Essentially what Grunter has said. I've had a complete trans fluid flush with the old fluid sent to FCA for analysis, numerous TSB's applied to the trans computer, even new driveshafts, a completely new trans ($13 grand odd) and it's back in as I type, they are doing more test and changing the transfer case fluid.

Issues are typically in the 1,2,3 gears, up and down. Harsh changing, flaring and are worse when the trans is cold. Oddly, the trans temp when left overnight reports back as around 24 degrees, despite ambient being less than 12, in my view it's not the trans, its the shift programming.

[Ben73]

I just receieved a safety recall from Ford last week.

I also used to own a Jeep and never had any issue. Never had any issues with my Ford either, except this current recall.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Kieron

It depends on how/when you drive it and what your prepared to accept but the issue exists and FCA USA are really dragging their feet on fixing it, some in the US have invoked the lemon law.

Essentially what Grunter has said. I've had a complete trans fluid flush with the old fluid sent to FCA for analysis, numerous TSB's applied to the trans computer, even new driveshafts, a completely new trans ($13 grand odd) and it's back in as I type, they are doing more test and changing the transfer case fluid.

Issues are typically in the 1,2,3 gears, up and down. Harsh changing, flaring and are worse when the trans is cold. Oddly, the trans temp when left overnight reports back as around 24 degrees, despite ambient being less than 12, in my view it's not the trans, its the shift programming.

I think your on the right path from what you describe, Transmissions seem to be affected by programming these days, every day I drive my Territory it seems to behave differently. so the Jeeps not alone

[Kieron]

Would you believe, they have told me to run the thing in snow mode!

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Would you believe, they have told me to run the thing in snow mode!

Legal up and put the demand for a refund/replacement (plus costs) to the dealer. That's bull**** as a resolution.

[swanee]

So Jeeps really Don't Hold Back?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Would you believe, they have told me to run the thing in snow mode!

Is this an experiment, with you being the Guinea pig?

I'm guessing snow mode puts in heaps of traction control, what else does it do, does it affect your daily drive at all?

I'm not sure how they think its going to help

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Is this an experiment, with you being the Guinea pig?

I'm guessing snow mode puts in heaps of traction control, what else does it do, does it affect your daily drive at all?

I'm not sure how they think its going to help

W (snow mode) in my Volvo locks out first gear and yep, heaps of traction intervention going on., torque converter slipping etc.

The real killer is fuel economy, it goes right down the toilet.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by swanee

So Jeeps really Don't Hold Back?

Mine certainly doesn't!! ;)

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Is this an experiment, with you being the Guinea pig?

I'm guessing snow mode puts in heaps of traction control, what else does it do, does it affect your daily drive at all?

I'm not sure how they think its going to help

They are saying they can't do anymore and wait for it, they are all like that and it relates to high torque and turbo lag.

Only problem with that is Chrysler 300 owners with hemis are reporting the same problem, as are Dodge Ram owners and petrol GC owners.

And yep, snow mode locks out first and changes the shift characteristics, presumably softer shifting, issue here is the accelerator calibration on the diesels is doughy, making turbo lag even more noticeable and in stop go traffic, using second is going to make it a real slug.

The trans itself (ZF 8HP 70 in the case of the diesel) is in some seriously high end vehicles such as Rolls Royce Phantom, AM Rapide/DB9/Vanquish, Maserati Quatroporte and there's no way in hell owners of one of those vehicle would put up with the shifting characteristics I have, the ole BW35 is nicer.