ROH Wheels boss predicts .........

[mik]

Originally Posted by Struggo

Sad decline indeed. Our leaders (as most are aware), have no plan

Its part of the UN charter, to De Iindustrialize Western countries by x amount, this was the plan, and our pollies agreed to it decades ago and have continued to follow through.

[Patty]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

My hat is tipped good sir. Out of curiosity, how many employees do you have?

We employ 45 people, and will grow in 2015. I'm just very fortunate to have good employees. It does wonders when you treat your workers well and that they know they are valued and appreciated.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Patty

We employ 45 people, and will grow in 2015. I'm just very fortunate to have good employees. It does wonders when you treat your workers well and that they know they are valued and appreciated.

Wanna make it 46?

[Bill M]

It is not just Australia that has this issue...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...ve-philippines

[chevypower]

The problem with western society is we have developed a unhealthy sense of entitlement. Our demand for increased wages, social security, subsidized education, healthcare, retirement packages, etc. They come at a price. That price is very expensive costs to do business. We as consumers have decided we don't want to be the ones to pay for it, so we buy the cheaper imported products, but we complain when our jobs are gone. I am sick of the people who say "I have no other choice." If there was economic demand for domestic products regardless of a higher price, then many entrepreneurs would be opening up businesses. Detroit still has this entitled attitude even though they have sucked all the wealth out of it and it's complete poverty now. What would it take to make it thrive again? Sadly, people would rather take economic decline over a thriving city where companies get tax exemptions and employees get income tax. They care more about the "fairness" in their mind than the opportunity for success. We need to change our perspective, until that happens, don't expect any growth.

[Ruination]

Originally Posted by graham_h

since when have ROH been a "quality" brand.......kidding right ?
Always been cheap rubbish........

+1 to GT-0733
I have a set of Aussie made ROH "Wedge" wheels on my XR8, Im not a fan of how they look to be honest. But I hit a pothole accidentally last week, and they didn't fold like a taco as Ive seen some wheels do.

No buckles, nor thrown out of balance. I can live happy with that.

[Focused]

Originally Posted by Struggo

Sad decline indeed. Our leaders (as most are aware), have no plan

No they do have plans, but they're just different. Let me generalize:
Liberals: let the free market sort it out.
Labor: give billions of dollars in hand-outs to car makers (which in turn send an profits overseas)
Palmer: give everyone what they want and deal with the consequences later (actually that's quite similar to Labor's plan).

Both parties's plans have positive and negative attributes. But in the end of the day, it wasn't the government that killed Ford and Holden. It was the Aussie public who stopped buying their cars (the government are the only people buying Falcon/Commodores) and the car makers themselves that kept making cars people didn't want.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Focused

No they do have plans, but they're just different. Let me generalize:
Liberals: let the free market sort it out.
Labor: give billions of dollars in hand-outs to car makers (which in turn send an profits overseas)
Palmer: give everyone what they want and deal with the consequences later (actually that's quite similar to Labor's plan).

Both parties's plans have positive and negative attributes. But in the end of the day, it wasn't the government that killed Ford and Holden. It was the Aussie public who stopped buying their cars (the government are the only people buying Falcon/Commodores) and the car makers themselves that kept making cars people didn't want.

The general direction this country has without question been steered too is absolutely due to govco policy for decades make no mistake about that.

you forgot about toyota, leyland,nissan, mitsubishi, steel companies, textile industry,etc, and probably quite a few my demented old brain has forgotten and the list keeps growing.

[SPArKy_Dave]

Govco needs to create incentives to buy local, and dis-incentives to buy foreign.

That's how other countries are protecting their own interests - they're using high import tariffs, local subsidies and more,
making it cheaper to manufacture at the local level.

It might not support a high volume consumerist throwaway market,
but it certainly creates a stable and confident one, for the betterment of the citizens and the industry as a whole.

[OwnTheRoad]

The AU was the last Falcon to wear ROH wheels , wheel repair shops happily re roll or even weld their rims where possible , not so the imported rims for the BA and onwards cars.
ROH wheels were of a higher quality than most .

[Trump]

Originally Posted by OwnTheRoad

The AU was the last Falcon to wear ROH wheels , wheel repair shops happily re roll or even weld their rims where possible , not so the imported rims for the BA and onwards cars.
ROH wheels were of a higher quality than most .

From what I remember, BA onwards alloys are cast in NZ?

[SupaFly]

Originally Posted by mik

Its part of the UN charter, to De Iindustrialize Western countries by x amount, this was the plan, and our pollies agreed to it decades ago and have continued to follow through.

That's because the west will still remain the leader of technology and innovation for many decades to come.

As a country we're evolving and our economies are following suit. Industrialization is the thing of the past century.

[SupaFly]

" Wages are rising in China, heralding the possible end of an era of cheap goods. "

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...02972415758878

[SupaFly]

When wages in China increase to levels that is unprofitable to operate in the country, which is bound to happen in the next 15 years or so.... Companies will jump ship to another country that can provide cheaper labor i.e. Africa.

" The average working wage has more than doubled over the past 10 years but still, in current terms, is up to 60 per cent lower than the global average.

In the private sector, wages have increased from 16,024 yuan ($2750) a year in 2004 to 46,769 yuan last year. "

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

That's because the west will still remain the leader of technology and innovation for many decades to come.

As a country we're evolving and our economies are following suit. Industrialization is the thing of the past century.

Evolving into what?

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

That's because the west will still remain the leader of technology and innovation for many decades to come.

As a country we're evolving and our economies are following suit. Industrialization is the thing of the past century.

Even your reply uses American spelling. Thats the problem. We've lost our identity as a country. Most are completely ignorant of what Australia has done in the past and was bloody good at. Young Australians don't know what we had, so they don't know the magnitude of what we have lost. The country of opportunity and a fair go has been forgotten as we obsess on becoming little America.

We might as well just become the 51st state of the United States of America. So sad.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

When wages in China increase to levels that is unprofitable to operate in the country, which is bound to happen in the next 15 years or so.... Companies will jump ship to another country that can provide cheaper labor i.e. Africa.

" The average working wage has more than doubled over the past 10 years but still, in current terms, is up to 60 per cent lower than the global average.

In the private sector, wages have increased from 16,024 yuan ($2750) a year in 2004 to 46,769 yuan last year. "

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One problem with jumping to cheaper producers. China isn't as stupid as we were and thanks to Communism, they have a centralised government that actually has a decades plan.

Many specialised industries were either systematically destroyed by China as its subsidised its way to market leadership or they purchased the companies and the IP around the world. In Australia, because we are so incredibly stupid, that has extended to buying out raw resources and agriculture. Not leasing - buying. Owning forever. Shipping out the wealth and opportunity back to China for cents in the dollar of its true value.

China will outsource some lower cost work, but they will never forfeit their wealth and new middle class like we did. They will simply put the prices up and countries like us, that have no IP, no remaining skills as the older generation die off and no sense of investing and doing things for the greater good, will remain addicted whiners, who just keep on paying and building their wealth. Increasingly working in **** jobs for foreign owned companies.

Meanwhile the wealth that should have been our kids, will be forfeited and China will benefit from them. But hey we all got a cheap TV and a drill from Bunnings. Totally worth selling out our grand kids.

We were stupid when we sold our neighbours job for cheaper stuff from China. China isn't that stupid - after all we were playing to their game plan.

[SupaFly]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

One problem with jumping to cheaper producers. China isn't as stupid as we were and thanks to Communism, they have a centralised government that actually has a decades plan.

Many specialised industries were either systematically destroyed by China as its subsidised its way to market leadership or they purchased the companies and the IP around the world. In Australia, because we are so incredibly stupid, that has extended to buying out raw resources and agriculture. Not leasing - buying. Owning forever. Shipping out the wealth and opportunity back to China for cents in the dollar of its true value.

China will outsource some lower cost work, but they will never forfeit their wealth and new middle class like we did. They will simply put the prices up and countries like us, that have no IP, no remaining skills as the older generation die off and no sense of investing and doing things for the greater good, will remain addicted whiners, who just keep on paying and building their wealth. Increasingly working in **** jobs for foreign owned companies.

Meanwhile the wealth that should have been our kids, will be forfeited and China will benefit from them. But hey we all got a cheap TV and a drill from Bunnings. Totally worth selling out our grand kids.

We were stupid when we sold our neighbours job for cheaper stuff from China. China isn't that stupid - after all we were playing to their game plan.

I've read an article recently stating that more of the coming generating are enrolling into Universities than ever before and this trend was set to continue in the coming decades. It was predicted that half of the high school graduates will take University education in the next couple decades, that figure increasing to 65-70% by 2050. We will have a more educated, skilled workforce by that time.

Future production of goods will be based on the ability to innovate and improve efficiency.. Think 3D printers,this century will be the western century....

[SupaFly]

So its about 26% of students continuing tertiary education today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck4muvlQdiM

[SupaFly]

Although this is just the start, imagine how big 3d printing will grow in the next decade covering all fields of manufacturing

The Future of OEM parts: 3D Printing replacement Car Parts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD7yB9gZDIk


2014 Ford 3D Printing - Official Promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OZXdRoogY


3d printing with metal, titanium & aluminum demo by EOS @ MDM 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

So its about 26% of students continuing tertiary education today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck4muvlQdiM

Not many of my Year 12 graduation group went onto apprenticeships, I'd say 10 of us did and that was in 2009 out of 150 kids.

Out of that 10, 3 of us were silly enough to do auto trades

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

I've read an article recently stating that more of the coming generating are enrolling into Universities than ever before and this trend was set to continue in the coming decades. It was predicted that half of the high school graduates will take University education in the next couple decades, that figure increasing to 65-70% by 2050. We will have a more educated, skilled workforce by that time.

Future production of goods will be based on the ability to innovate and improve efficiency.. Think 3D printers,this century will be the western century....

The western century?
Even engineering jobs are outsourced overseas to our competitors.
Who do you think makes the 3D printers?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Not many of my Year 12 graduation group went onto apprenticeships, I'd say 10 of us did and that was in 2009 out of 150 kids.

Out of that 10, 3 of us were silly enough to do auto trades

betcha more that are currently unemployed did the degree.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by zilo

betcha more that are currently unemployed did the degree.

Yeah but my mate who stacks shelves at IGA was getting paid more than I was as a qualified auto electrician, jokes on us

[mik]

Originally Posted by SupaFly

I've read an article recently stating that more of the coming generating are enrolling into Universities than ever before and this trend was set to continue in the coming decades. It was predicted that half of the high school graduates will take University education in the next couple decades, that figure increasing to 65-70% by 2050. We will have a more educated, skilled workforce by that time.

Future production of goods will be based on the ability to innovate and improve efficiency.. Think 3D printers,this century will be the western century....

Well all that sounds good in theory, and in the future maybe every single student might end up a rocket scientist, but if there is no manufacturing ..........who will employ them???
One of the things that i see from my own life experience, is not every one has what it takes to be a rocket scientist, a brain, an industry leader,a jumbo jet pilot, etc ,etc............ and that can be for a lot of reasons,
and i do know some clever dudes that had uni degrees and at the end of it ended up cleaning toilets because there was no work despite their best efforts .

There will always be a section of the community who need a hands on type job/non intellectual/rocket scientist type job, some people just are not cut out for it, and to me it appears these are the sorts of jobs that are mostly disappearing.
look at the country's that have a good labor force/manufacturing industry, these are the ones that are economically kicking butt.
look at our diminishing labor force, as it grows smaller, crime is growing bigger, more homeless on the streets, is this a coincidence ???? i think not.
i might be wrong but i think we are on a slippery slope unless things change.

[SupaFly]

I'm not too sure but 3d printers and Cosgrifs address is something I'm trying to obtain

[Madaya]

Hate to make it sound left, but we all are on the same boat. As Kennedy said, "we all breathe the same air'. Sure, we all expect reward for hard won yards in degrees, but some of us for some reason or another are unable to contribute the hard yakka.
Most folk can contribute in some way, maybe not to the high expectations of the high achiever. Hold on buddy, you are 1 gene away from total collapse.
I know the ROH thread is a bit lean in which to place my thoughts, but darn, we are all travelling on the same ship.
Okay, I might currently be sitting midship, but an accident or disease away, and I'm down in the bilge .
I have always wanted to purchase a set of ROH. When I was a young lad (prior to licence), I would read in Wheels, adds re: the ROH Super Lights and immediately added them to my want list
I still want some ROH Super Lights. (or similar).
(Threads on the tyre wheel thread regarding light wheels).