XR8 v SS AFM Dyno Run

[jasjul]

Car Advice are currently doing a real world fuel comparison test between the new SS with AFM and XR8 6A. Performance testing first, they put both on the dyno at Springy Performance.

XR8 235rwkw against 290kw

SS 204rwkw against 260kw

[SeduceXR]

Its also interesting to note the fly wheel figures they got, the XR8 had 288 fwkw which isn't too far off the 290fwkw claim from the factory, but the SS came up with only 250fwkw, which is quite a bit less from the claimed 260fwkw

[4Vman]

Any real world practical fuel savings the SS gets will be largely as a result of de-tuning power and consumption out of the car..
Unless you travel at a constant speed all day there doesnt seem to be any real gains from AFM.
Holden have taken the Auto SS from a high 13 second car and made it a low 14 second car by reducing its power output..

[ThePistonHead]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

the Auto SS from a high 13 second car and made it a low 14 second car by reducing its power output..

And it will probably sell by the truck load, can't wait to see Holden's marketing for this.

[Chilliman]

Results just in:

0-100Km/hr: SS-6.71sec, XR8-6.52sec
400M: SS-14.8sec, XR8-14.72sec
100-0Km/hr(braking): SS-32.02M, XR8-31.4M

So pretty neck-and-neck with FG XR8 Auto just nudging out the AFM-equipped VE SS. There were more results but it was hard to make out from the crappy audio (mobile phone).

After the dyno results this morning I'll take this as a win for Ford :

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Chilliman

Results just in:

0-100Km/hr: SS-6.71sec, XR8-6.52sec
400M: SS-14.8sec, XR8-14.72sec
100-0Km/hr(braking): SS-32.02M, XR8-31.4M

So pretty neck-and-neck with FG XR8 Auto just nudging out the AFM-equipped VE SS. There were more results but it was hard to make out from the crappy audio (mobile phone).

After the dyno results this morning I'll take this as a win for Ford :

They're probably the worst performance times I've seen for new model SS and XR8 in a few years. Hell my AU would beat them.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Torxteer

They're probably the worst performance times I've seen for new model SS and XR8 in a few years. Hell my AU would beat them.

Yes bad times but the conditions and way they're driven will be a great leveler.. as long as both are driven under the same conditions at the same time the comparison is more relevant than the time itself, hell if you just nailed an F6 off the line from idle without any spooling it would probably be a 14 sec car.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Torxteer

They're probably the worst performance times I've seen for new model SS and XR8 in a few years. Hell my AU would beat them.

They are realworld tests done with an accellerometer on factory tyres and normal conditions not hedging at a super grippy drag strip backed up on the start grid.

[4Vman]

This thing had better get significantly better economy over the XR8 or there's going to be some egg on some faces over at Camp sell off....

[Jason[98.EL]]

Just out of interest does the ss come out of the HSV side of things or not

if so shoudnt they put it up against a gt-p / FPV or the likes

just wondering thats all

Jason

[nommic]

Originally Posted by Grimus

Just out of interest does the ss come out of the HSV side of things or not

Ah... no.

It's a Holden Commodore SS.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Grimus

Just out of interest does the ss come out of the HSV side of things or not

if so shoudnt they put it up against a gt-p / FPV or the likes

just wondering thats all

Jason

Oh dear...

[Grechie]

sluggish times thats for sure, but so long as it was done same day, track, and weather conditions...

[Chilliman]

The economy results are out tomorrow morning (28th) apparently. Whatever the results, I think the most telling comments by the testers/journalists were about how the SS seemed to drop off in performance run after run while the XR8 only seemed to get better.

[DJM83]

WOFTAM IMO, who on earth buys a V8 (whatever make) to save money on fuel :

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by DJM83

WOFTAM IMO, who on earth buys a V8 (whatever make) to save money on fuel :

It's true, the SS' economy wasn't that bad was it? Or maybe Holden are preparing the consumer for what's to come; less power, or they don't want to exceed (maybe they cannot even if they tried) 270kW for the SS.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

It's true, the SS' economy wasn't that bad was it? Or maybe Holden are preparing the consumer for what's to come; less power, or they don't want exceed (maybe they cannot even if they tried) 270kW for the SS.

I assume by that you would mean meeting euro 4.

[greenfoam]

Ecconomy is important to most buyers. The guys looking to buy one of these for serious performance duties is well aware of what they can do once the factory detune is swaped out so I don't think it will make any difference to them how slow they are straight out of the shop

[Falc'man]

Yep... I'm not sure what they have planned for Euro 4, but if it ain't direct injection then they're screwed.

Originally Posted by greenfoam

Ecconomy is important to most buyers. The guys looking to buy one of these for serious performance duties is well aware of what they can do once the factory detune is swaped out so I don't think it will make any difference to them how slow they are straight out of the shop

But the problem is they're not getting that extra economy from this less powerful tune... then again, it's Holden, they're good at "spinning" it.

[4Vman]

Last time i spoke with someone from HSV about the future he told me they had "no plans what so ever" to increase power outputs on their regular range and holden had a similar position, and they were lucky to get to where they did.. this position was part economic, part "sensibility"...
We all know times change but i think were stuck with current outputs for atleast the next few years in both camps.

[snappy]

It doesn’t surprise me that Holden “Fiddle” with the power figures. They “Fiddle” with their sale figures. Unlike Ford, Holden class sales to their dealers as sales in their sales figures, where as Ford only use sales to actual consumers, and do not include the dealers. Holden=Dodgy, they pull good quality cars from the market and replace them with cheap Korean cars and charge the same price.


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that above is a quote from a comment on the car advice page . Is that true

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by snappy84

It doesn’t surprise me that Holden “Fiddle” with the power figures. They “Fiddle” with their sale figures. Unlike Ford, Holden class sales to their dealers as sales in their sales figures, where as Ford only use sales to actual consumers, and do not include the dealers. Holden=Dodgy, they pull good quality cars from the market and replace them with cheap Korean cars and charge the same price.


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that above is a quote from a comment on the car advice page . Is that true

Yeah most of it. The fiddling part I'm not sure of, but I wouldn't put it past Holden. The biggest truth in that is "Holden = dodgy".

[phillyc]

Well, they have just reported their first video part way through the economy run.

Apparently it is mostly uphill from Melbourne to where they are at Urowa?

The Falcon is using 'just over 9 litres' per 100km.
The C'dore is using 9.6 litres. 'Going on the flats it was working in 4cly mode, but any slight hill and it goes to 8cyls. The technology doesn't really seem to be working'...

These figures are using the on-board. Actual fuel filling calculations will be used for the final results!

Also of note, was a 'bit of a firm ride' of the SS and getting a bit of a 'stiff back' on these 'crappy roads'. The other tester said the XR8 ride was comfortable!

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Oh dear...

As you may have guessed i dont follow what cars holden build or what HSV build

i do not comment on threads about how good or bad holdens are due to that

i do however follow what is happening to gm and holden because i have friends that work for both and do not wish that theywill be out of work that all

hope that clears it up a bit with the question i asked

nommic thanks for the responce to the question

Jason

[ADSXR8]

Originally Posted by phillyc

Well, they have just reported their first video part way through the economy run.

Any links? Would be good to see.

Thanks

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by snappy84

It doesn’t surprise me that Holden “Fiddle” with the power figures. They “Fiddle” with their sale figures. Unlike Ford, Holden class sales to their dealers as sales in their sales figures, where as Ford only use sales to actual consumers, and do not include the dealers. Holden=Dodgy, they pull good quality cars from the market and replace them with cheap Korean cars and charge the same price.


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that above is a quote from a comment on the car advice page . Is that true

Sales figures are calculated by Vehilce Registrations, the manufacturers dont hand over figures to the government body that determines this.

However insaying this Holden do push dealers to register a large amount of demos, plus holden registers alot of its own cars each month.... Dealers have to register a certain amount of demos!

[Transfiguring R]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/29816/v8...-commodore-ss/

[WASP]

Geez, doesn't sound promising for the SS so far does it.

[mik]

the fuel saving Commy seems fairly useless to me , who would sit on the freeway at 90 kph or below volantarilly to to keep it running on 4 cylanders ? it seems more marketing **** to me , i can see these blokes in their big v8`s commy`s sitting on 80 or 90 kph on the highway trying to save a litre of juice with a 5 mile que of cars behind waiting to get past them, or perhaps the polariser might help it catch up with the Henry

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by CDAA

Geez, doesn't sound promising for the SS so far does it.

AFM SS looks good : ........!