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31-05-2012, 08:53 PM | #1 | ||
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There is currently a substantial amount of speculation around the Internet about FPV and the fate of some personnel there. Some of this speculation has bordered on the wild so here is the position as we currently understand it. 1. The two most senior individuals and a number of other staff within the organisation have been provided with notice of termination. 2. There is a pending announcement about the current situation and the impact it will have. 3. There have (and this is unconfirmed) been discussions around the ownership of FPV and the premises from which they operate. As we do not particularly wish encourage endless speculation, this thread will remain closed until such time as there is more clarity on the matter. Regards Russ
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01-06-2012, 01:38 PM | #2 | ||
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For those that may not have already noticed - thread stickied...
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01-06-2012, 01:46 PM | #3 | ||||
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Whilst there is no official announcement on the usual formal media release channels at FPV/Ford - here are a couple of reports..
Article in todays Fairfax online edition.... Quote:
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01-06-2012, 03:35 PM | #4 | ||
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I'm taking a very positive view of this restructuring.
Right-sizing the business' personnel and overheads makes profound common-sense as we continue to endure the ongoing effects of the global financial crisis and continuing high fuel prices which must have some effect on sales of high performance cars. Importantly right-sizing costs serious money, in the form of immediate cash as redundencies arn't cheap so either Prodrive, Ford or more likely a combination have taken the hard decision to stump up with the necessary funds to put FPV on a sustainable course for the future. If the joint venture partners didn't both believe there was a viable business model going forward, you'd have seen an ownership change or the parties letting it fold. FPV make incredibly good cars, really there's nothing quite like them under $100,000. I'd encourage people to support the brand, if you've enjoyed an FPV or other high performance Ford over the years perhaps this is the right time to step up to the plate and give them a vote of confidence in a manner that counts, with your cheque-book... No matter which of the current FPV models you chose, you're in for an incrediblly good drive. |
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01-06-2012, 03:52 PM | #5 | ||
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Is this a free for all to discuss yet or are we still under some sort of 'embargo' as nothing 'official' has been announced to AFF yet?
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01-06-2012, 04:50 PM | #6 | ||
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Can we try and keep this thread about the topic at hand. I know there is some passionate people that love these cars. Lets hope something is released soon.
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01-06-2012, 04:51 PM | #7 | |||
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There are definitly good dealer's out there that look after their customers. Sure we have probably all had experiences where our read on the situation and Ford's warranty division see things from different points of view and i've had a couple of those myself over the years but to claim a warranty is "pointless" is not only a seriously harsh call but grossly misrepresents the situation in my opinion. |
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01-06-2012, 04:51 PM | #8 | ||
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It took 6 posts.
Sounds bad on the outside. How in-shop will FPV become if they move across the road? Is this Ford taking ownership perhaps? I wonder if Prodrive is about to be ousted and Ford are about to take performance back in-house a-la SVT. Ford want Ford badges on the imported Fords, FPV only want FPV badges - hence why FPV didn't want the RS, when in reality, it was a perfect fit for them. Has that stalemate come to a head? Lukeyson
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01-06-2012, 04:55 PM | #9 | ||
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Perhaps prodrive have got big plans for what FPV stands for?
I see it as positive, what ever happens...be it Ford having more controll, or Prodrive planing bigger things.
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01-06-2012, 07:34 PM | #10 | ||
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Hmm going to be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles. Im still not sold on whether Prodrive have been a benefit to FPV or not. The products they have are very very good, they have hit their straps on the race track (FPR) and have pretty good % increase on sales so whats the go?
Mind you I dont think my opinion of them has not changed since... http://fordforums.com.au/showthread....light=prodrive
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01-06-2012, 08:49 PM | #11 | ||
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A few days ago, there was a thread either in The Pub or FPV 5.0 S/C section discussing future FPV product and 2 Falcon FPV products in particular. The thread though appears to have now disappeared. Is this disappearance related to the recent FPV events and the temporary and appropriate inability to discuss same until now, or is it still there and I'm just not seeing it now?
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01-06-2012, 09:00 PM | #12 | ||
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I don't see the fuss. Businesses restructure their operations all the time to better align themselves with prevailing market conditions, or reduce costs to make them more competitive. Lean and profitable is where it's at and it's probably better the parent took action now rather than wait until its too late and they have to shut up shop indefinitely. The owners wouldn't have taken this action unless it was deemed necessary for their survival. The FPV CEO role is probably one that the parent can see as able to be managed by the parent CEO and save the organisation a few hundred grand a year in the process. Not as if the survival of FPV is fundamental to the robustness of the Australian economy either. In fact, I don't even recall seeing it mentioned in this morning's Financial Review.
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01-06-2012, 09:16 PM | #13 | ||
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I'm excit about FPV FGII. I'm hoping for a much much, better looking front bumper & far more aggressive bumper too..
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01-06-2012, 09:32 PM | #14 | |||
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01-06-2012, 09:35 PM | #15 | ||
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The thread went off topic and drifted into speculation before any announcement was made so was pulled
I think the general consensus amongst those who seem to be in the know was a limited run of 185 or so units with mild mods, perhaps a bit like the GT Black concept car. I think it was Yift who linked to a post about it. Start another thread perhaps, it shouldn't get derailed by talk of the structure/management of FPV now (with several threads running on that topic) Last edited by Shonky.; 01-06-2012 at 09:40 PM. |
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01-06-2012, 09:54 PM | #16 | ||
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Thank you gentleman. I didn't want to ask before now in case the release of this pending new FPV model information was the cause of the staff losses at FPV but now that doesn't seem to be the case and that there are bigger issues occurring at FPV.
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02-06-2012, 08:54 AM | #18 | ||
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^^ Falcon's future is being assisted by the Territory. Don't see the point of long term speculation, in fact its counter productive in my opinion. The hard decisions have been taken to put FPV on track as a sustainable business for the forseeable future. Worry about what might happen in 2017, in 2016, I reckon....and GO FPR, are they doing well or what !!
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02-06-2012, 09:13 AM | #19 | |||
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02-06-2012, 10:01 AM | #20 | |||
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02-06-2012, 10:04 AM | #21 | ||
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I know we are only allowed to say here everything is sweet and smelling like roses etc.. But how many times do we see companies do this with all their positive outlooks from restructures in their PR guff, when in reality it is a wind down in the offing. If it is, I might buy that new GT-P after all!
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02-06-2012, 10:07 AM | #22 | ||
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Didn't FPV go through a restructure recently? Did anything good come of that?
Perhaps Miami. Has failure to back-sell Miami into Ford played a part in this? Can it really be that successive groups of people are both to blame for similar issues? Or is there something wrong with the management style of this Mears bloke? Could this spell the end of all of the initiatives of the recently departed team? Like the supposed upcoming aftermarket-products direction FPV were allegedly heading in - at least that's what it sounded like when the initial Black Edition was released? Lukeyson
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02-06-2012, 10:50 AM | #23 | |||
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At the end of the day I dont mind if the GT wears a blue oval, fpv, or other badge the main thing is that there is still a car to hang it on |
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02-06-2012, 10:55 AM | #24 | ||
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worst comes to it there will be someone that steps up and makes a performance model even if it is just through ford. the world didnt end when tickford stopped. even if the GT name doesnt continue they will find something to fill the void.
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02-06-2012, 12:04 PM | #25 | ||
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Its sad when someone passionate about the industry loses their job, but in this case it was needed to rejuvenate FPV. Hopefully the Ford badge will return to the GT, and we'll see an XR8 soon. Ford needs to take control of its product.
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02-06-2012, 12:15 PM | #26 | ||
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When I bought my GT-P back in 2003 I was quite happy it had a FORD badge; I don't know why they didn't call it a Ford "Falcon" GT-P at the time.
The sooner Ford come out and make an announcement the better; I hope the work of Rod Barrett & co is not lost. I hope "performance" Fords remain available. It's very unsettling when this type of thing happens, mainly because of the suddenness and the apparent stop-gap measures which have been put in place; it's like crisis management with no transition process. At the end of the day it might be necessary, but it could be handled better so as not to destroy confidence in the brand. Still, I'm an optimist and hope there is a silver lining to this. |
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02-06-2012, 12:47 PM | #27 | ||
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My tip is that FPV will now be produced fully at the Ford plant at Broadies. Just cutting costs, so the Campbellfield facilities will go. For those of us who personally knew Rod, Leigh and the team at FPV, through clubs, open days etc, its a shame that we wont be associated with passionate employees of a great product any longer.
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02-06-2012, 01:52 PM | #28 | |||
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The question is can can Ford/FPV keep offering a local made product that buyer considers value for money and Ford/FPV can make profit from. A heavy investment needs a return and when your only moving a few hundred a month it doesn't spread the money spent per vehicle very well. The resent $40 million spent on engine development alone would be hitting very hard, spread that across the cars there selling how long before there is a return and every year they need to keep spending on new and current developments as well. I can see something global coming this is where the whole car industry is going. Rod Barrett like David Flint were top PR people and very approachable and will be missed by the Ford/FPV enthusiasts.
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02-06-2012, 02:45 PM | #29 | |||
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Cannot help but think Miami was an utter waste of money, and that FPV should have just imported Coyote and an SVT charger and placed it in the GT. It would have had more than enough power, everything would have cost far less than the ongoing development of Miami and they would of been in a better position financially. I can not help but feel that FPV are their own worst enemy.
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I assume they would have performed a more meaningful marginal analysis of alternatives than you have outlined above
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