original phase 5!

drcook · 30-10-2006, 04:56 PM

http://www.fordmusclecars.com.au/vie...asp?itemID=144

wow! an original PHASE 5 !, be quick. this sale isnt going to last long. i wonder if i offer him 750K i can get it?.....LOL.

flappist · 30-10-2006, 05:16 PM

On the other hand there are some who make fools of themselves when due to their ignorance of Ford history are unaware that there were many boutique tuning houses in the '80s and the Phase 5 was made by one of them called Phase Autos, I think.

Maybe a bit of research before posting will prevent that in the future.....

sfr rob · 30-10-2006, 05:22 PM

OWNED!
HAHAHAHA
I didnt know that was a fact... interesting stuff.

XR Martin · 30-10-2006, 05:31 PM

Are XB GTs really worth $60k? (looking at other ads on that site)

WILDTRAKPX2 · 30-10-2006, 05:36 PM

If it's genuine, it is in fairly good nick by the looks of it. Bugger all were made and they covered XD and XE models. 225kw.

PS. Flappist is correct in that Phase Autos built them. Nothing to do with what we all know as Phase 1,2,3 and 4, but a prototype in the similar vein as DJR etc I suppose.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 30-10-2006, 05:43 PM

double post...

BZINGA · 30-10-2006, 07:51 PM

Mate of mine had a phase 5 with all the genuine papers and stuff, very tuff car. I think they were made and sold to the public because of Group C racing back then, they had to sell them to the public to be raced? Can someone confirm that as true or did i hear wrong.

**Falcon Coupe** · 30-10-2006, 07:52 PM

I refuse to acknowledge anything after phase 4.

BZINGA · 30-10-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I refuse to acknowledge anything after phase 4.

LOL

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WILDTRAKPX2 · 30-10-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I refuse to acknowledge anything after phase 4.

LOL, I agree. The XD holds special to me because my father always had Holden's and when I was about 12 he bought the new XD in Monza Red. Been a Ford man ever since. I think they got away with the "phase 5" name only due to the fact the company that produced them was Phase Auto. I'm too young to remember, but I bet the purists had a bit to say back then.

Auslandau · 30-10-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

Mate of mine had a phase 5 with all the genuine papers and stuff, very tuff car. I think they were made and sold to the public because of Group C racing back then, they had to sell them to the public to be raced? Can someone confirm that as true or did i hear wrong.

Phase 5 had nothing to do with Ford or any relation close too. Not even like a Tickford set up. Phase 5 was a name only, as mentioned earlier, by Phase Autos that put on extra bits and pieces. Bit like Herrod built cars or C2R putting body kits on AU's and calling them, well, C2R's I suppose. Genuine papers and so forth would only be written out by the company that produced it, and not by Ford, and at this stage are pretty much worthless as far as collectability goes. An ESP should be worth 5 times more. As far as I know the wording Phase....whatever has never been registered.

BUT in saying that it doesnt look too bad...for the money if all in good nic......except the colour but some love green.

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BlueRaven · 30-10-2006, 08:04 PM

Yeah, nothing too out of the ordinary with this one. Its not claiming to be a Phase 5 GTHO, its just what they were called.

This is the 2nd thread lately where the joke is on the thread starter.

**Falcon Coupe** · 30-10-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Phase 5 had nothing to do with Ford or any relation close too.

If it did the XD would have two more zeros on the price tag. :hihi:

Auslandau · 30-10-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

If it did the XD would have two more zeros on the price tag. :hihi:

......and I would have one sitting in the garage next to the red phase IV

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R0BD0G · 30-10-2006, 08:11 PM

well geez......nice car....but since it wasn't made in a ford factory like the XW, XY, XA.....it looks like an xd with a heap of crap stuck on it.....homologated options is something i think of when i see that

R0BD0G · 30-10-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

......and I would have one sitting in the garage next to the red phase IV

u wish

StookEB · 30-10-2006, 08:27 PM

It looks to over the top IMO.

BZINGA · 30-10-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Phase 5 had nothing to do with Ford or any relation close too. Not even like a Tickford set up. Phase 5 was a name only, as mentioned earlier, by Phase Autos that put on extra bits and pieces. Bit like Herrod built cars or C2R putting body kits on AU's and calling them, well, C2R's I suppose. Genuine papers and so forth would only be written out by the company that produced it, and not by Ford, and at this stage are pretty much worthless as far as collectability goes. An ESP should be worth 5 times more. As far as I know the wording Phase....whatever has never been registered.

BUT in saying that it doesnt look too bad...for the money if all in good nic......except the colour but some love green.

Yeh i know ford didnt put them together, but it is just a bit different than your average xd with factory recaro interior, simmons wheels, body kit, i think koni suspension ( not sure ) tramp rods, holley carby, extractors and other stuff that i cant think of atm. The car was sold for $18,000. ESP worth 5 times more?

jimmy_c · 30-10-2006, 08:40 PM

Is that hothouse green (GMH) its painted in ?

Auslandau · 30-10-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

The car was sold for $18,000. ESP worth 5 times more?

If your mate sold it for 18K, good luck to him! The person who bought it should have invested in an ESP instead of throwing money into one of those. This ones advertised for 7K. (May be around 5K is reasonable) An ESP XE (XD bit less) are a hell of a lot more collectable than these and yes I would pay up to 25k for an original 351 in mint condition. Silver and black...........

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JG66ME · 30-10-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

On the other hand there are some who make fools of themselves when due to their ignorance of Ford history are unaware that there were many boutique tuning houses in the '80s and the Phase 5 was made by one of them called Phase Autos, I think.

Maybe a bit of research before posting will prevent that in the future.....

Correct. That car in the add though dosnt look like a Phase 5 to me though. It wasnt a Ford product, but I remeber a white one in the foyer of Hoytes Cinema, George St Sydney for the promotion of the James Bond film Moonraker. Had a alloy grill and a wild body kit.

Steve

MO · 30-10-2006, 10:02 PM

If its a phase model and not made by Ford its worth.......jack s.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 30-10-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JG66ME

Correct. That car in the add though dosnt look like a Phase 5 to me though. It wasnt a Ford product, but I remeber a white one in the foyer of Hoytes Cinema, George St Sydney for the promotion of the James Bond film Moonraker. Had a alloy grill and a wild body kit.

Steve

Found this info:

http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../xdfalcon.html

Moonraker is mentioned, but they are calling the phase5 a GTHO!!:

BZINGA · 30-10-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

If your mate sold it for 18K, good luck to him! The person who bought it should have invested in an ESP instead of throwing money into one of those. This ones advertised for 7K. (May be around 5K is reasonable) An ESP XE (XD bit less) are a hell of a lot more collectable than these and yes I would pay up to 25k for an original 351 in mint condition. Silver and black...........

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I agree, but different people like different things, i never liked the phase 5 much until i went for a drive in it and kept seeing it in the garage. It was pretty original and being 1 of 20 made, $18k must of sounded good to the guy who bought it. I think the XE ESP kicks its ***, no contest.

GOLDIE · 31-10-2006, 07:01 AM

As has been mentioned they were biult by phase auto's but the one for sale does not look right.

Wrong colour for a start,also they came with a slightly worked over 351 with the normal thremoquad carby and air cleaner.

Also they had fins on the front grauds.

Ian

ea_boss_05 · 31-10-2006, 08:00 AM

The road test in Motor August 1981 states that the car only had 160kw, so was pretty much stock with a body kit and suspension upgrade. Packages started at about $2000 up to $9000 so I guess there were engine mods if you wanted them.

400m in 15.7

XRQTR · 31-10-2006, 08:37 AM

It was the 80's and the wowsers were in full force, from what i remember they were trying to do something like the HDT's in that the actual manufacturer couldn't be seen to be building this sort of thing but an aftermarket could.

They were available through a dealer network just as the HDT product, the paperwork was kept seperate to the FOMOCO paperwork to not be an 'official' Ford product but was pretty well sanctioned by Ford. Also yes from what I recall Phase Auto did the homologation work for the race cars, as well as the Moffat EB and I think some EF/EL stuff as well.

So as for price, and I know alot of guys wouldn't want to hear this, but they will become more colectible, although this one is obviously not genuine in that the color has been changed. A wise collector with the room to store it might think seriously about putting one of these in his shed, they are still cheap at the moment but will out do the ESP before long if only because of there low build numbers.

We all know the way it goes, never knew what you had until the right buyer came along that appreciated it, the XA and XB GTs were in the same boat not so long ago, same with the XT. As something becomes rarer the next closest thing becomes the way to move, need i mention how abundant and cheap coupes were in the 80's they had so little value to most that original GT coupes were being modified to some extreme lengths.

JG66ME · 31-10-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

Found this info:

http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../xdfalcon.html

Moonraker is mentioned, but they are calling the phase5 a GTHO!!:

Appears I am confusing the P5 with the Moonraker. I remember both now. As the other guy said, 80s was wowserville. If you wanted a performance Ford you had to dive an older car. I did like the XD ESP 5.8 but as muscle car it had had its nuts chopped off.

Steve

smally289 · 31-10-2006, 09:55 AM

God I hate it when people mention Phase5's. Yes, they were made by Phase Auto's. Do they deserve the 'Phase' name for any other reason? NO.

Phase 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all derivatives of Falcon GT's. Was there an XD GT? NO.
End of story.

XRQTR · 31-10-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by smally351

God I hate it when people mention Phase5's. Yes, they were made by Phase Auto's. Do they deserve the 'Phase' name for any other reason? NO.

Phase 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all derivatives of Falcon GT's. Was there an XD GT? NO.
End of story.

Many considered and many more still have come to consider the ESP as the GT of the XD/E era, after all GT=Grand Tourer and that's what the ESP essantially was/is, therefore making this, unofficially of course as ford could never fully back it, a Phase car.

HDT, I think it was in the VH, had a special that pushed out over 250kw but never pushed the advertising, I only know because if you look closely in some of the old car mags from the time in the pricing section at the back, you will find it their in the fine print. Manufacturers simply were not able to advertise these cars in the same way because of restricions imposed on high powered 'factory cars' at the time, but if it came out of a 'reputable tune house' it was ok as it was not a 'factory car' even though it was sold through the dealer network.

EDIT: Something else I only just noticed, but it does not anywhere state that it's a GT or a HO, so I don't really see an issue in calling it what it is, IT IS A PHASE 5.