Victoria’s first permanent car seizure.

[arby]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...366276974.html

'Hoon', 43, loses car forever
April 4, 2007 - 7:40AM

Victorian man has become the first driver to permanently lose his car under the state's anti-hoon laws.

In a hearing at the Castlemaine Magistrates Court yesterday, Terrence Lord, from the central Victorian town of Drummond, was ordered to forfeit his blue 1980 Toyota Corona fastback.

Lord, 43, pleaded guilty to four counts of driving while disqualified between January 23 and February 14 this year.

Under laws introduced in July last year, drivers caught drag racing, doing burnouts or committing other "hoon" acts such as reckless speeding and driving while disqualified, can have their cars impounded for 48 hours for a first offence.

They face a three-month impound order for a second offence and the permanent confiscation of their car for a third offence.

Victorian Police Minister Bob Cameron today welcomed the magistrate's order.

"These tough new laws hold hoons accountable for their actions and hit them where it hurts most - by taking away their vehicle," he said in a statement.

Well there goes all the media's stereotypes.

[Polyal]

Jeez, not the typical person who you think would get done for it. He sounds like a tool, got what he deserved.

[Allen]

Bloody middle aged toyota drivers! :P

[apolloxbgt]

Ha ha,I know this Guy.
He lives up the road from where I grew up,and go dirtbike riding.

I didn't know he had his licence back......

[Casper]

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

Ha ha,I know this Guy.
He lives up the road from where I grew up,and go dirtbike riding.

I didn't know he had his licence back......

He didnt :

Lord, 43, pleaded guilty to four counts of driving while disqualified between January 23 and February 14 this year.

[Tote]

And best of all it will only add $500.00 to Ggvt coffers when auctioned, a win all round I'd say...
Regards,
Tote

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by Casper

He didnt :

I should have read it more carefully.I think he lost hes licence for somthing like 7 years for drink driving.He's a wild guy,I wouldn't have wanted to be the cop's trying to take his car.

[wozman]

the cops will get heaps 4that car

[Ives]

NSW should also adopt the law.

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

He's a wild guy,I wouldn't have wanted to be the cop's trying to take his car.

Simple, if he gets out of hand... tase him, capsicum spray, pepper spray, shoot him in both legs, anything...

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by Ives

NSW should also adopt the law.



Simple, if he gets out of hand... tase him, capsicum spray, pepper spray, shoot him in both legs, anything...

Can't do that because all the bleeding hearts will have a cry. Anyway one less idiot off the road. He knew the rules and took the chance and now he has to suffer for his own actions. :

[cambo@fords]

Originally Posted by XAGSV8

C Anyway one less idiot off the road.

What? You don't think a ****a like that isn't just going to go and buy another junker and drive it until they take that one off him too?

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by cambo@fords

What? You don't think a ****a like that isn't just going to go and buy another junker and drive it until they take that one off him too?

He probably will but this way its going to hurt him rather then sitting around doing nothing.

[Tiapan]

bugger! will he get the money if its sold? is there a way around this (after a second offence to wipe that cars slate clean) e.g. swapping car ownership and then swapping back? new plates?

these govenment agencies have been playing too much need for speed carbon...bloody impound strikes!

[adrianb]

I thought the new laws were for hooning and anti-social behaviour on the roads? So cars can be impounded permanently for repeat traffic offences (I thinking driving while disqualified is traffic?).

Was the guys car impounded for the 48hr and 3 month periods first?

I don't mind the hoon-law stuff so much but taking peoples cars for repeat offences nothing to do with hooning isnt cool.

[xdc351]

Wow, huge headline... "Hoon looses POS for driving while disqualified".

Hasn't done a thing to stop the tools doing burnouts in the street and speeding in my area...

[Hally]

[QUOTE=adrianb]I thought the new laws were for hooning and anti-social behaviour on the roads? So cars can be impounded permanently for repeat traffic offences (I thinking driving while disqualified is traffic?).QUOTE]

Do you consider driving whilst unlicensed good social behaviour? I don't thinl it is a bad thing at all that they impound (permanently after the third strike) cars for this type of offence.

[flappist]

What this has done guys is set a precedent. Smart thinking. If it was a Porsche there would be a huge legal battle and potential for the law to be struck.
As it is a piece of junk then they will just take it. If the owner resists then all the better as they then have more ammo to increase the severity.

You Victorians voted for this so don't complain when they take your car because it looks like it might be a bit hoony.....

N.B. The owner should be filling the car with prawn shells, battery acid and ebola plague then welding the rims to the axles and welding the drive train solid.

OK, I am just having a short anarchy rant about the popular peoples democratic socialist republic of Cactoria and its junta in Stillborn, the capital (note the spelling is capital as in the money bucket not capitol as in place where leadership resides)..... /better now.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by flappist

What this has done guys is set a precedent. Smart thinking. If it was a Porsche there would be a huge legal battle and potential for the law to be struck.
As it is a piece of junk then they will just take it. If the owner resists then all the better as they then have more ammo to increase the severity.

You Victorians voted for this so don't complain when they take your car because it looks like it might be a bit hoony.....

N.B. The owner should be filling the car with prawn shells, battery acid and ebola plague then welding the rims to the axles and welding the drive train solid.

OK, I am just having a short anarchy rant about the popular peoples democratic socialist republic of Cactoria and its junta in Stillborn, the capital (note the spelling is capital as in the money bucket not capitol as in place where leadership resides)..... /better now.

Fill the boot full of fuel and run a spark plug to it, that'll teach them. Toasty prawn shells mmmmmmmmmm

[flappist]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Fill the boot full of fuel and run a spark plug to it, that'll teach them. Toasty prawn shells mmmmmmmmmm

No that would be a dangerous criminal act that might hurt someone (not that ebola wouldn't but it is a bit hard to get locally and was said as satire) and would do the cause more harm than good.

Making it an absolute pain and cost the plebs more will have a much better effect. If it loses money they will stop doing it, if people get hurt they can extend the budget because they have the "moral high ground".

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by flappist

No that would be a dangerous criminal act that might hurt someone (not that ebola wouldn't but it is a bit hard to get locally and was said as satire) and would do the cause more harm than good.

Making it an absolute pain and cost the plebs more will have a much better effect. If it loses money they will stop doing it, if people get hurt they can extend the budget because they have the "moral high ground".

You can get anything if your prepared to pay the right price.

[robs_ls1]

Originally Posted by flappist

You Victorians voted for this so don't complain when they take your car because it looks like it might be a bit hoony.....

They won't take your car just because it "looks like it might be a bit hoony."

This is all about making people responsible for their actions. If you are caught doing burnouts, donuts, rollbacks, handbrakies, driving without a license or whatever else on public roads, then you deserve everything you get.

If you drive sensibly, then you have nothing to fear. Simple, isn't it?

People seem to forget that a license is a privilege, not a right.

Originally Posted by flappist

I am just having a short anarchy rant about the popular peoples democratic socialist republic of Cactoria and its junta in Stillborn, the capital (note the spelling is capital as in the money bucket not capitol as in place where leadership resides)

Call it what you will and laugh all you like, but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Melbourne is the world's best city.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by robs_ls1

They won't take your car just because it "looks like it might be a bit hoony."

This is all about making people responsible for their actions. If you are caught doing burnouts, donuts, rollbacks, handbrakies, driving without a license or whatever else on public roads, then you deserve everything you get.

If you drive sensibly, then you have nothing to fear. Simple, isn't it?

Call it what you will and laugh all you like, but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Melbourne is the world's best city.

I see how now bracks was returned now.

Looking hoony.....neons, unroadworthy....rumbly exhaust, unroadworthy....rims larger that they like, unroadworthy, loud stereo...unroadworthy, cat converter a bit worn....unroadworthy...

Unroadworthy now equals HOON
HOON...confiscation

Or maybe you forgot to renew your drivers licence because you child has been sick and you have been preoccupied. You are now unlicenced and therefore a HOON..... confiscation

You think this will never happen? When I was 8 years old myself and my friends all had slug guns that we used to play with shooting tins in out back yards at about 10 yards because by 25 yards the pellets all fell out of the sky. This was fun and no one ever got hurt. We never shot at each other because even as 8 year olds we know that it was dangerous to do so and were responsible enough be trusted.

If you were to do this today there would be 50 police cars and the TRG turn up along with CH9 and twacey doing a story on urban terrorist training cells.

[robs_ls1]

Originally Posted by flappist

Or maybe you forgot to renew your drivers licence because you child has been sick and you have been preoccupied. You are now unlicenced and therefore a HOON..... confiscation

There are protections included in the new laws to protect civil liberties.

The situation you describe would not result in confiscation. Stop being alarmist. The only people who have to fear losing their cars are the people who are idiots on the road. Pure & simple.

Originally Posted by flappist

Some pointless diatribe about kids playing with spud guns.

What does that have to do with anything?

[TUF514]

Originally Posted by robs_ls1

There are protections included in the new laws to protect civil liberties.

The situation you describe would not result in confiscation. Stop being alarmist. The only people who have to fear losing their cars are the people who are idiots on the road. Pure & simple.

How do i get to Fantasy Island?

When you say idiots on the road, do you mean people that have a worn boot rubber seal? Or people that let their washer bottle run below the half way line? Because here in QLD that is a defect/unroadworthy.

Under these new laws, thats classed as hooning.

But yeah, i agree with you, they are protecting out liberties. :

[flappist]

Originally Posted by robs_ls1

There are protections included in the new laws to protect civil liberties.

The situation you describe would not result in confiscation. Stop being alarmist. The only people who have to fear losing their cars are the people who are idiots on the road. Pure & simple.

What does that have to do with anything?

Spoken like a true believer.....

Similes are used to explain situations to those who are having difficulty comprehending complex issues. Sometimes, unfortunately, some concepts are just far to complex or heretical anathema.
**edited by Casper****

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by flappist

Or maybe you forgot to renew your drivers licence because you child has been sick and you have been preoccupied. You are now unlicenced and therefore a HOON..... confiscation

In Victoria you can renew your license over By Bpay, Telephone or Mail if your picture is on file.
Many Australia post Country shops now do the photos.
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Looks to me like the Court has said if you drive without a licence then you are being a hoon.
Interesting to know why he lost it in the 1st place, maybe drink driving or being stupid either way he should have been on the road, and he knows it.
He is a victim of the 3 strikes your out, so he knows the system having been through it already 2 times before this..

[Casper]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Looks to me like the Court has said if you drive without a licence then you are being a hoon.
Interesting to know why he lost it in the 1st place, maybe drink driving or being stupid either way he should have been on the road, and he knows it.
He is a victim of the 3 strikes your out, so he knows the system having been through it already 2 times before this..

I agree he shouldnt be on the road, I doubt anyone would dispute that. What concerns me is the legal "creep" happening now in regards to the "Hoon" definition. If unlicensed driving is Hooning then the scope to make other offenses hooning too has broadened considerably. This concerns me greatly as we have, as car enthusiasts, been in a long running and ultimately losing battle with the Scruby's of the world to be wiped out and turned into Camry driving robots.

Unless someone CLEARLY defines what is considered part of the hooning laws then the courts get to set precedents.. and these become the laws.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by flappist

I see how now bracks was returned now.

Looking hoony.....neons, unroadworthy....rumbly exhaust, unroadworthy....rims larger that they like, unroadworthy, loud stereo...unroadworthy, cat converter a bit worn....unroadworthy...

Unroadworthy now equals HOON
HOON...confiscation

Or maybe you forgot to renew your drivers licence because you child has been sick and you have been preoccupied. You are now unlicenced and therefore a HOON..... confiscation

You think this will never happen? When I was 8 years old myself and my friends all had slug guns that we used to play with shooting tins in out back yards at about 10 yards because by 25 yards the pellets all fell out of the sky. This was fun and no one ever got hurt. We never shot at each other because even as 8 year olds we know that it was dangerous to do so and were responsible enough be trusted.

If you were to do this today there would be 50 police cars and the TRG turn up along with CH9 and twacey doing a story on urban terrorist training cells.

Your very anti government/police arn't you Flap.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Your very anti government/police arn't you Flap.

No, I don't think so. He, and Casper are citing past Australian civil realities and noting the 'reform' and 'change' that inevitably changes societal outlook over time, and has done so. This has been most noticable over the last 27-33 years.

Much about Australia today, abounds that is not pleasant at all, and I must say ion all fairness that it is not always 'the politicians' who are at fault. You see, MP's and Ministers come and go, but long term exposure and reform-influence resides in the public service.

This is one reason why an ALP NSW member had to 'remind' three agencies; the NSW RTA, EPA and Police at a 1999 Regulation Review meeting that the only 'enforceable law' was that passed by parliament. Said with fist stamping the table to make that point quite clear. (Agencies you see like 'policy' then are known to try and enforce on that basis etc).

Now, at a National Press Club luncheon, the Prime Minister (LIB) also felt the need to remind public servants much the same thing, a few months ago.

Key of these influences, in any government realm, that in particular impacts the motoring sphere, are treasury and those residing within AG departments.

Remember, the transport agencies are deliberately engineering the whole speed debate to make 'speed' (and behaviour) as socially unnacceptable as drink driving or general criminal code misconduct.

I on the other hand stand, in one small part of many complexities, for judicial balance. I could go on for many pages about this.

If people think ANY "Roads Minister", state or Commonwealth, can create and enact regulations or an ACT that would 'mandate' anything for commonsense betterment, then one is incorrect. They need to 'discuss' this through agency created 'layers' of personnel, locally who in turn then take 'the suggestion/s' interstate to other agency staff.

Eventually, the 'staff' vote yes or no, or 'adjust' the proposal. The various roads ministers, via the Ministerial Council then sign into law the contracted deed.

Nothing, a Premier or Minister can do about this mandatory inter-relationship with agencies, unless by being determined, creates a 'party policy'. That entails having all party MP's agree. And here, advocacy plays and the deed may be adjusted, again.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Your very anti government/police arn't you Flap.

Anti police, no, anti government, in particular namby pamby social engineering government, YES.